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Post by pedrocols on Jan 11, 2018 10:56:57 GMT -5
It seems like my $500 six year old Pioneer AVR will continue to fit the bill. Wait ... you have more than two channels?  I tried to have them tailored it for two channels but they wouldn't do it so I am stock with 5 unuse channels..😀 |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 11, 2018 11:02:10 GMT -5
Agreed, But it is an Emotiva prepro with somebody else’s amp section, isn’t it? Edited I think most people would call it an AVR regardless of who makes the amps. The old XMR-1 thread should just die, it’s been replaced by two RMC-1 threads with more accurate and up to date information. Ouch - well this is true Nick. I didn't think of it like that. A little embarassing since Emotiva is an amp company. This might be the first product with somebody else's amps. But that doesn't really change the performance it is supposed to give. Plus Pascal and the other class D manufacturers like B&O have been putting substantial research in to these amps. So it makes sense pricewise to jump in with somebody else's, albeit a little embarassing. |
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 11, 2018 11:04:46 GMT -5
The other thread, technologically speaking, is like 20 years old. Original posts from the other thread:  |
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Post by tutetibiimperes on Jan 11, 2018 11:36:17 GMT -5
I think most people would call it an AVR regardless of who makes the amps. The old XMR-1 thread should just die, it’s been replaced by two RMC-1 threads with more accurate and up to date information. Ouch - well this is true Nick. I didn't think of it like that. A little embarassing since Emotiva is an amp company. This might be the first product with somebody else's amps. But that doesn't really change the performance it is supposed to give. Plus Pascal and the other class D manufacturers like B&O have been putting substantial research in to these amps. So it makes sense pricewise to jump in with somebody else's, albeit a little embarassing. There are a ton of manufacturers using Amp modules from other companies in their class D amps. ATI and NAD are using Hypex, D-Sonic uses the Pascal boards as well, Rotel and many other have used B&O’s Icepower boards, etc. The amp is just one part of the system. Would it be embarrassing for Emotiva to buy off-the-shelf DAC or DSP chips instead of developing their own if high performing options were available to buy? Why should Amp modules be any different? Hypex and Pascal seem to be the most highly regarded of the class D amps systems out here right now, so I think they made a great choice. Maybe Emotiva can market a stand-alone Pascal-based amplifier in the future. While I’m digging the new class H XPA amp design, I’d love to get something even more efficient if possible. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 11, 2018 11:45:21 GMT -5
Ouch - well this is true Nick. I didn't think of it like that. A little embarassing since Emotiva is an amp company. This might be the first product with somebody else's amps. But that doesn't really change the performance it is supposed to give. Plus Pascal and the other class D manufacturers like B&O have been putting substantial research in to these amps. So it makes sense pricewise to jump in with somebody else's, albeit a little embarassing. There are a ton of manufacturers using Amp modules from other companies in their class D amps. ATI and NAD are using Hypex, D-Sonic uses the Pascal boards as well, Rotel and many other have used B&O’s Icepower boards, etc. The amp is just one part of the system. Would it be embarrassing for Emotiva to buy off-the-shelf DAC or DSP chips instead of developing their own if high performing options were available to buy? Why should Amp modules be any different? Hypex and Pascal seem to be the most highly regarded of the class D amps systems out here right now, so I think they made a great choice. Maybe Emotiva can market a stand-alone Pascal-based amplifier in the future. While I’m digging the new class H XPA amp design, I’d love to get something even more efficient if possible. I've got nothing against it. But Emotiva has had a long history of making their own (fantastic) amps. That's what they are known for. When a company designs and produces stuff in house, it makes them a company that's not producing a clone of another product. A certain amount of status. However they have little experience in class D so I guess it would make sense that they use a tried and tested module. I've heard good things about Pascal. Emotiva does use off the shelff dac chips and does a great job with it - namely in the DC-1. DAC chips are a whole nother ball game. They are not simple to produce or design. |
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Post by cwt on Jan 11, 2018 12:18:43 GMT -5
It will be interesting how they incorporate the class d modules into a balanced input to output L/C/R Channel arrangement . Wyred 4 sound have some proprietary methods so it may not just be a stock module. This sounds like something Emo has experience with in unbalanced/balanced circuitry though this is speculation at this point of course . Its easy to be a fan of class d with its better than a/b efficiency ; small form factor for multichannel atmos/dts-x and low heat output. I like class g or h for some of the similar reasons and wonder if Emo considered them [ thinking of the new xpa class h designs] |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 11, 2018 12:47:15 GMT -5
Agreed, But it is an Emotiva prepro with somebody else’s amp section, isn’t it? Edited I think most people would call it an AVR regardless of who makes the amps. The old XMR-1 thread should just die, it’s been replaced by two RMC-1 threads with more accurate and up to date information. OH, I do still agree. Just wanted to clean up my post. It should die,,,,,just like winter! 😋  |
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Post by goozoo on Jan 11, 2018 16:35:36 GMT -5
The biggest problems with class D amps is the amount of distortion at high SPLs. They are typically used in commercial applications for large venues with high efficiency speakers that don't require high gain from the amp. Think of commercial cinemas, dance clubs, or concerts. In home theater applications, listening to them at "reference" levels can be fatiguing depending on the speakers. All that being said, except for the Dennon, this is the only other AVR that produces these kinds of numbers and is much more cost effectivbe than going separates. Kudos to them. I just don't take much stock however in release dates as all they seem to be doing lately is show off gear at shows to create buzz for something that may not be released for some time to come.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 11, 2018 18:41:52 GMT -5
... It should die,,,,,just like winter! 😋 Sorry ... can’t agree with that either, I’ll hopefully be skiing until April!  |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 11, 2018 18:47:12 GMT -5
... It should die,,,,,just like winter! 😋 Sorry ... can’t agree with that either, I’ll hopefully be skiing until April! We’ll be deep into golf and fishing by that time! 😆 |
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Post by brabs on Jun 8, 2019 20:05:08 GMT -5
Has there been anymore news on this?
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Post by The History Kid on Jun 8, 2019 20:51:49 GMT -5
Has there been anymore news on this? No, just Emotiva being Emotiva I'm afraid. Vaporware afaic. |
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Post by teaman on Jun 8, 2019 21:47:32 GMT -5
Pretty sure ToneWinner built Emotiva amps for the last decade. Not sure why anyone would be surprised to see Emotiva outsource the amp section....again
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Post by MusicHead on Jun 9, 2019 17:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 10, 2019 7:27:17 GMT -5
To date Emotiva has not been able to deliver a multichannel pre-pro that works well enough for me to consider, let alone one that works with seven noisy class D amplifiers stuffed in it.
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