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Post by markyboy156 on Jan 29, 2018 6:03:06 GMT -5
hi
i am after buying a monoblock that will greatly enhance the performance of my dali zensor vokal centre
i have a marantz 7010 with a music fidelity m3i intergrated amplifier and a crown 1002 amp
i use the crown and music fidelityto greatly enhance my two dali ikon 6v2 front speakers
the rest of my 11.4 setup are made up of dali zensor speakers
That is one stereo amplifier connects to the higher frequency inputs on both speakers and the other stereo amplifier connects to the bass inputs on both speakers. The setup would be Marantz (SR)7010 signal line (pre-amp) out to each amplifier.
the question is what would be the perfect monoblock for the job fo my centre speaker thanks
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Post by bootman on Jan 29, 2018 6:10:45 GMT -5
If you like the way your crown amp drives your fronts, just go with another crown amp to match.
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Post by markyboy156 on Jan 30, 2018 9:36:31 GMT -5
ANY OTHER REPLIES PLEASE
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Post by creimes on Jan 30, 2018 10:25:09 GMT -5
Just buy something expensive and it will be the best, this is the world of audiophools so the more it cost the better it will must be hahaha all kidding aside it's hard for someone else to recommend something for someone else, I would agree with matching whatever other equipment you use.
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Post by pknaz on Jan 30, 2018 10:49:37 GMT -5
If you're looking to change your center channel performance, why not make a change where it will make the MOST difference, change your center channel speaker?
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jan 30, 2018 11:32:40 GMT -5
Unless you're listening to a lot of multi-channel music, you're center channel is just playing the voice stream from your movie. IMO you don't have to go whole hog for an amp for that. I use an XPA-1L for my center.
Russ
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Post by markyboy156 on Jan 30, 2018 13:22:33 GMT -5
hi
pknaz what do you think i should change the centre speaker to i want to really increase performance thanks
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Post by garbulky on Jan 30, 2018 14:00:49 GMT -5
If you change your center you change the timber match from your front speakers. So you may encounter matching problems.
But if you want big and powerful.
The Tekton Designs center would probably do it. Or the Axiom VP 180 will also do it.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 30, 2018 14:05:58 GMT -5
The centre channel plays whatever the sound mixer decided they wanted to come from the centre (of the sound stage). Sure there's dialogue, but not all of the dialogue, some of it comes from other speakers. Plus there are other (than dialogue) sound effects that come from the centre speaker, for sample if the person centre screen claps their hands or shoots a gun the sound comes from the centre speaker. So if we make the centre speaker sound better, louder, clearer everything that eminates from the centre wil be better, clearer, louder not just the dialogue. Plus any dialogue that eminates from the other speakers will not sound better, louder, clearer.
The absolute best way to improve the dialogue is to switch to an Atmos/DTSX processor, because dialogue is its own object in an object oriented system. With that we can turn up (or down) the volume of just the dialogue, without affecting any other sound that comes from the centre speaker. Similarly any dialogue that eminates from the other speakers will also be affected the same. Of course we need to be watching source material that is Atmos/DTSX encoded.
In the interim have you tried turning up the volume of the centre speaker? For some heavy dialogue movies I run my centre speaker a couple of db hotter than "balanced" with the other channels. Obviously improving the quality of the centre speaker is something to be considered, in your case your LF and RF are quite a bit "better" than the rest of your system and, as many will claim, the centre speaker is arguably the most important speaker in a multichannel system. Especially when watching heavy dialogue movies. Amplifier wise at least matching the level of amplifier quality for the centre speaker with the LFand RF is desirable.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by teaman on Jan 30, 2018 15:07:42 GMT -5
Markyboy, stick with the center channel speaker that you have. Changing a center channel in a full system of a dedicated brand is not going to improve anything. If your center needs some extra oomph, add some power to it. My suggestion is to add another Crown so again, you get the same signature.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 30, 2018 15:48:16 GMT -5
Dali make nice speakers I actually quite like their sound with quality Danish drivers, but the Zensor centre is not really up to matching the Ikons that you use in the LF and RF, personally I'd be looking up upgrading to an Ikon centre. Matching the centre to the fronts I think is more important than matching the centre to the surrounds. The Ikon centre will also handle a few more watts than the Zensor (FWIW Dali speakers are always underrated in their power handling).
Cheers
Gary
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 30, 2018 21:26:54 GMT -5
The best mono block for a center speaker is a stereo amp! Vertically bi-amp the center and you'll get better sound than with a one-channel amp.
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Post by markyboy156 on Jan 30, 2018 22:42:48 GMT -5
hi
garbulky would the tekton centre or the axiom vp180 timber match well wth the rest of speakersif so which tekton centre specifically are you talkig about thanks
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 31, 2018 0:21:53 GMT -5
hi garbulky would the tekton centre or the axiom vp180 timber match well wth the rest of speakersif so which tekton centre specifically are you talkig about thanks Personal opinion, stick with Dali their speakers are very good. Just step up the range in the centre speaker. Having heard a few Tekton speakers they are definitely voiced differently to Dali's. No experience with Axiom's, sorry. Cheers Gary |
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Post by markyboy156 on Jan 31, 2018 1:50:18 GMT -5
hi
gary cook can you think of any other centre speaker not just dali that would tiber match and voice properly with the other speakes i have which is better than the dali ikon cntre speaker maybe even a higher up dali centre speaker in the range than the ikons thanks
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 31, 2018 8:46:19 GMT -5
An amplifier dedicated only to the center was overly complicated for my needs. One channel alone from my multichannel amplifier delivers 405 Watts @8ohm, The central speakers, series wired are a nominal 6ohm. Load.
I can hear 👂 it.
Bill
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 31, 2018 18:10:09 GMT -5
hi gary cook can you think of any other centre speaker not just dali that would tiber match and voice properly with the other speakes i have which is better than the dali ikon cntre speaker maybe even a higher up dali centre speaker in the range than the ikons thanks I was suggesting the Ikon centre (if you can find one) because it matches your LF and RF which are also Ikons. As you may be aware the Ikon Gen 2 has recently been discontinued and I haven't heard of a Gen 3 as yet. My recollection of the Dali range is (from lowest to highest); Menuet Zensor Spector Opticon Ikon Rubicon Epicon So going from a Zensor centre to an Ikon centre would be 3 steps up the Dali range. Rubicon looks like the replacement for the Ikon, with a small step up. For another 2 steps up you could look at an Epicon centre, although they are curved back which may not physically suit. As far as I know Epicon is the top of the range, that centre will handle 300 watts continuously so as long as you have an amp good enough to feed it it will do the job. Dali use Danish drivers which I find consistently to be one of the best, I just like their sound (my local speaker manufacturer here in Australia uses mostly Danish drivers). So if you are looking for an alternative to Dali then I'd suggest checking the drivers and sticking with Danish. That should give the closest match to Dali, there are fair number of them so I'd suggest auditioning as many as you can find. Cheers Gary |
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