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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 28, 2018 3:43:00 GMT -5
Probably belongs more here than in the RMC-1 thread I do believe that the HDMI HDCP is a way bigger minefield than the Atmos and DTSX implementation. HDMI HDCP is nothing more than a standard that is so loose that the literally hundreds of implementations by a multitude of manufacturers all seem to differ in some small or even large way. Whereas Dolby has far tighter control over Atmos which it owns and licenses very tightly, similarly DTS with DTS-X. I would suspect (hope) that the implementation of an Atmos/DTS-X board and software is far less prone to interpretation than HDMI HDCP. Plus the Atmos/DTS-X board is only one ended externally, it just receives and processes signals and then sends it on in analogue form to the pre amp (internal and under Emotiva direct control) and then power amp. Whereas HDMI HDCP has to satisfy both external senders and external receivers of digital data. Which surely must make the Atmos/DTS-X upgrade only half as hard at the very worst. Maybe a question for Lonnie , on a scale of 1 to 10 where the HDMI HDCP board was/is a 10, what are you seeing as the difficulty level in the Atmos/DTS-X board? Cheers Gary
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Post by deputy705 on Sept 6, 2018 20:11:00 GMT -5
I will be in a bind in about a month or so from now since my fully balanced Denon A1CHDCI pre-amplifier audio card got fried over a year ago and of course there are no parts to fix it so I am looking for a new processor. I went through my homeowners insurance and they actually agreed with me that the new RMC-1 would be a good replacement for the Denon after numerous phone calls, complaining about comparing a non balanced processor price point to a fully balanced processor price point including having them talk to Lonnie. The upshot was that they would extend my claim period in which I could purchase a new processor by a year since the RMC-1 was supposed to be released by March 2018, then summer, then early fall, then who knows. So push is coming to shove for my time frame in purchasing a replacement processor, and if not the RMC-1, I was hoping that maybe the XMC-1 Gen. 3 would be coming out sooner than later, or I may be reduced to going with the Marantz 8805 in lieu of the 8704, or does anyone have any suggestions, I have moved to Missouri so I am still working on my house and I will be working on the 2nd home theater system next month to hopefully showcase a new pre-pro.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 21:25:31 GMT -5
^^^ The only date we have is November 15th for the RMC-1, and we don’t know how many will be available. If you need something sooner then the Marantz is a good unit.
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Post by deputy705 on Sept 7, 2018 1:24:12 GMT -5
Is there a date for the Gen 3 XMC-1 and how comparable will it be to the RMC-1, I want the fully balanced system but I am only going to drive 7 speakers with 2 subs, I will not need the 16 channels however I would like it to be upgradable for the future considering how fast pre-pros become obsolete within a couple of years. I am also looking at both the audio and video quality in comparison to say the Marantz and possibly the McINtosh preamp
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 7, 2018 8:45:03 GMT -5
Is there a date for the Gen 3 XMC-1 and how comparable will it be to the RMC-1, I want the fully balanced system but I am only going to drive 7 speakers with 2 subs, I will not need the 16 channels however I would like it to be upgradable for the future considering how fast pre-pros become obsolete within a couple of years. I am also looking at both the audio and video quality in comparison to say the Marantz and possibly the McINtosh preamp The most up to date information is in the Offical CEDIA thread, the post below indicates January 2019 for the XMC-2 (formerly XMC-1 G3), I’m not sure of the source as I don’t see it in the article also linked in this post. The RMC-1 and new RMC-2 are the only options that are fully balanced on all channels. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/958860/thread
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 7, 2018 8:58:07 GMT -5
So we started with no Atmos, then proposed 5.2.2, 5.2.4, and finally 7.2.4 for an upgraded XMC-1. Now we’re teased with 9.1.6, 15.1, and even 11.5.8 in other units, but still no word here or at CEDIA on the XMC-1 Atmos upgrade. I know Emotiva needs these new products and I’m excited about them as well, but the lack of attention and information about the Atmos upgrade and firmware for the V3 is disappointing. Since it appears nothing else will be released before the RMC-1 in November, it looks like spring and the end of another ski season before I upgrade to anything (7.2.2 Atmos speakers sitting waiting for a connection). I’ll have lots of options then, how about a V3 firmware update in the mean time?
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Post by thrillcat on Sept 7, 2018 9:03:44 GMT -5
I will be in a bind in about a month or so from now since my fully balanced Denon A1CHDCI pre-amplifier audio card got fried over a year ago and of course there are no parts to fix it so I am looking for a new processor. I went through my homeowners insurance and they actually agreed with me that the new RMC-1 would be a good replacement for the Denon after numerous phone calls, complaining about comparing a non balanced processor price point to a fully balanced processor price point including having them talk to Lonnie. The upshot was that they would extend my claim period in which I could purchase a new processor by a year since the RMC-1 was supposed to be released by March 2018, then summer, then early fall, then who knows. So push is coming to shove for my time frame in purchasing a replacement processor, and if not the RMC-1, I was hoping that maybe the XMC-1 Gen. 3 would be coming out sooner than later, or I may be reduced to going with the Marantz 8805 in lieu of the 8704, or does anyone have any suggestions, I have moved to Missouri so I am still working on my house and I will be working on the 2nd home theater system next month to hopefully showcase a new pre-pro. If Lonnie has actually spoken with your insurance adjuster, perhaps you should contact Lonnie (after CEDIA), refresh his memory, and see if they will process a purchase prior to your window closing, and ship when available. Seems a pretty special circumstance.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Sept 7, 2018 9:43:21 GMT -5
My understanding is that we will see XMC-1 ATMOS after the release of the RMC-1 (so I think that means after 11/15/18).
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 7, 2018 10:32:48 GMT -5
My understanding is that we will see XMC-1 ATMOS after the release of the RMC-1 (so I think that means after 11/15/18). Which I have to say seems highly illogical to me. If the XMC-1 board is actually the same then it would surely be better to test it with people who are more likely to be tolerant of any issues that slip though the beta testing. Cheers Gary
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Post by deputy705 on Sept 7, 2018 10:50:09 GMT -5
What is with this RMC-2 When the RMC-1 is not even out yet? What are they changing on the RMC-1 to come up with an RMC-2 and if they are why not just incorporate it into the RMC-1 instead of outdating it before it is even released, at which point why even buy the RMC-1 if it comes out in Nov. just wait for a couple of more months for the RMC-2.
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Post by thrillcat on Sept 7, 2018 10:52:37 GMT -5
What is with this RMC-2 When the RMC-1 is not even out yet? What are they changing on the RMC-1 to come up with an RMC-2 and if they are why not just incorporate it into the RMC-1 instead of outdating it before it is even released, at which point why even buy the RMC-1 if it comes out in Nov. just wait for a couple of more months for the RMC-2. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/53497/official-cedia-2018-thread
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 7, 2018 10:56:09 GMT -5
My understanding is that we will see XMC-1 ATMOS after the release of the RMC-1 (so I think that means after 11/15/18). Which I have to say seems highly illogical to me. If the XMC-1 board is actually the same then it would surely be better to test it with people who are more likely to be tolerant of any issues that slip though the beta testing. Cheers Gary Well the board can’t actually be the same because of the channel count, and we’ve heard how the V3 board performs differently in the XMC and RMC’s, it’s possible the same is going on with the Atmos board.
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Post by overtheair on Sept 7, 2018 15:51:49 GMT -5
My understanding is that we will see XMC-1 ATMOS after the release of the RMC-1 (so I think that means after 11/15/18). IIRC one of the podcasts mentioned the XMC-1 Atmos board in time for the holidays or for the holiday season but I may be recalling incorrectly so probably best to go listen to the last two podcasts as I think that is where I picked that up.
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Post by overtheair on Sept 7, 2018 16:03:30 GMT -5
Which I have to say seems highly illogical to me. If the XMC-1 board is actually the same then it would surely be better to test it with people who are more likely to be tolerant of any issues that slip though the beta testing. Cheers Gary Well the board can’t actually be the same because of the channel count, and we’ve heard how the V3 board performs differently in the XMC and RMC’s, it’s possible the same is going on with the Atmos board. From a technical perspective it could be the same, its just as a user you wouldn't have access to all the capabilities. If I were Emotiva I would have designed both the HDMI board and the processor board for the RMC-1 to be a direct physical/mechanical and electrical drop in replacement for the XMC-1 providing it did not compromise the RMC-1 in any way. Doing this means only having one sku for all the RMC and XMC platforms supporting HDMI 2.0b and Atmos. Where there may be differences is in how these units interface from a software perspective with what remains in the XMC-1. For example the HDMI 2.0b board currently has to interface to the original processor board in XMC-1. Once the XMC-1 processor board is replaced to support Atmos then that problem should go away. Just my speculation of course.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 7, 2018 16:12:14 GMT -5
What is with this RMC-2 When the RMC-1 is not even out yet? What are they changing on the RMC-1 to come up with an RMC-2 and if they are why not just incorporate it into the RMC-1 instead of outdating it before it is even released, at which point why even buy the RMC-1 if it comes out in Nov. just wait for a couple of more months for the RMC-2. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/53497/official-cedia-2018-threadThank you. Do not most regulars use the "NEWEST THREADS" at the top of the screen to see what's going on? How can regulars not have seen the CEDIA thread yet?
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Post by thrillcat on Sept 7, 2018 16:13:33 GMT -5
Thank you. Do not most regulars use the "NEWEST THREADS" at the top of the screen to see what's going on? How can regulars not have seen the CEDIA thread yet? I don't know. That's where my bookmark is set.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 7, 2018 16:14:16 GMT -5
Thank you. Do not most regulars use the "NEWEST THREADS" at the top of the screen to see what's going on? How can regulars not have seen the CEDIA thread yet? I don't know. That's where my bookmark is set. Same here, on my phone. Just goes to that page.
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Post by jdmusante on Sept 7, 2018 19:23:05 GMT -5
Thank you. Do not most regulars use the "NEWEST THREADS" at the top of the screen to see what's going on? How can regulars not have seen the CEDIA thread yet? I actually use the 'Latest Posts' and scroll through that.
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 8, 2018 18:15:58 GMT -5
My understanding is that we will see XMC-1 ATMOS after the release of the RMC-1 (so I think that means after 11/15/18). Which I have to say seems highly illogical to me. If the XMC-1 board is actually the same then it would surely be better to test it with people who are more likely to be tolerant of any issues that slip though the beta testing. Cheers Gary I agree. But money and new unit sales talk. Here's what I will say. If they don't correct the HDMI issues (yeah I know you are one of the minority not having a single issue) BEFORE releasing the RMC-1, then they aren't doing ANYONE any services. The RMC-1 needs to come out flawless, or close to it, or they might, maybe, possibly, kiss the entire company bye bye. And THAT would suck big chunks for everyone. 🤢
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 8, 2018 22:57:14 GMT -5
Which I have to say seems highly illogical to me. If the XMC-1 board is actually the same then it would surely be better to test it with people who are more likely to be tolerant of any issues that slip though the beta testing. I agree. But money and new unit sales talk. Here's what I will say. If they don't correct the HDMI issues (yeah I know you are one of the minority not having a single issue) BEFORE releasing the RMC-1, then they aren't doing ANYONE any services. The RMC-1 needs to come out flawless, or close to it, or they might, maybe, possibly, kiss the entire company bye bye. And THAT would suck big chunks for everyone. 🤢 Agree with you 100%, someone who pays $5,000, $6,000, $7,000 for a top level processor is going to expect, more like demand, perfection. They are not going to be anywhere near as tolerant or patient as those of us that paid ~1/20th of that for a long anticipated but much welcomed board update. That possibly surprised many when it actually eventuated. A little buggy but at least we could upgrade and keep our much loved XMC-1’s. There are just so many disparate devices that are going to be connected to an RMC-1/2 that current/past levels of beta testing is unlikely to reveal issues, not even most issues, let alone all issues. Some serious in service testing would be on my agenda, with as wide a sample base as possible. That’s where the existing XMC-1 owners are the least costly (time and money) method. Use the goodwill, don’t taint the new product. Cheers Gary
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