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Post by The History Kid on Apr 8, 2018 16:42:45 GMT -5
I know in most systems a direct mode or pure mode bypasses all EQ and runs off the source EQ and sound profile. I was wondering if Emotiva's Direct modes also override the size/crossover settings of the speakers.
For example, in stereo my settings may be say... Front L/R: Small 70 Hz
Would Direct Mode change that to the equivalent of Large and full bandwidth?
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Post by enricoclaudio on Apr 8, 2018 17:35:24 GMT -5
I know in most systems a direct mode or pure mode bypasses all EQ and runs off the source EQ and sound profile. I was wondering if Emotiva's Direct modes also override the size/crossover settings of the speakers. For example, in stereo my settings may be say... Front L/R: Small 70 Hz Would Direct Mode change that to the equivalent of Large and full bandwidth? Check pages 13 - 14 of the XMC-1 User manual: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2572/6926/files/XMC_user_v30_manual.pdf?9161570434650216536
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Post by The History Kid on Apr 8, 2018 18:30:29 GMT -5
So if bass management is enabled, I'd assume the XO points remain the same, and thus the full bandwidth isn't automatically sent to the main speakers. I'm guessing this is the same principle used in the MC-700. If this is the case, I'm presuming Direct is more akin to an Auto mode than anything else.
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Post by KeithL on Apr 9, 2018 0:41:03 GMT -5
On our pre/pros, when you select DIRECT MODE, all processing is bypassed. And, on our pre/pros, bass management is handled digitally, so it counts as processing. So, in Direct Mode, no processing, and no bass management. Note that this does NOT apply to the XSP-1 (because it's bass management is analog - so it doesn't count as processing). CORRECTION...... (and good catch) [KL] On the XMC-1 you DO get Bass Management in Direct Mode.... but NOT in Reference Stereo mode. Mea Culpa for being confusing - different units treat Direct Mode slightly differently.I know in most systems a direct mode or pure mode bypasses all EQ and runs off the source EQ and sound profile. I was wondering if Emotiva's Direct modes also override the size/crossover settings of the speakers. For example, in stereo my settings may be say... Front L/R: Small 70 Hz Would Direct Mode change that to the equivalent of Large and full bandwidth?
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Post by bolle on Apr 9, 2018 1:57:42 GMT -5
@keithl: Actually what you wrote also doesn´t apply at least to the UMC-200. We had this topic here in the boards that DIRECT on the UMC-200 behaves differently between analog and digital inputs - because in one of those instances some partes of the bass management can´t be bypassed. See e.g. my post here: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/51615/direct-mode-umc-200Since the MC-700 essentially uses the same CirrusLogic Chips for audio processing as the UMC-200, does it really behave differently here or like the UMC-200 in this regard?
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Post by geebo on Apr 9, 2018 7:13:43 GMT -5
On our pre/pros, when you select DIRECT MODE, all processing is bypassed. And, on our pre/pros, bass management is handled digitally, so it counts as processing. So, in Direct Mode, no processing, and no bass management. Note that this does NOT apply to the XSP-1 (because it's bass management is analog - so it doesn't count as processing). I know in most systems a direct mode or pure mode bypasses all EQ and runs off the source EQ and sound profile. I was wondering if Emotiva's Direct modes also override the size/crossover settings of the speakers. For example, in stereo my settings may be say... Front L/R: Small 70 Hz Would Direct Mode change that to the equivalent of Large and full bandwidth? Doesn't the XMC offer bass management in Direct Mode? And Reference mode bypasses all processing?
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 9, 2018 7:42:22 GMT -5
Hmmm on the XMC-1 that is a good question. I thought no since all bass management was DSP sourced. But hey I could be wrong.
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 9, 2018 9:02:59 GMT -5
On our pre/pros, when you select DIRECT MODE, all processing is bypassed. And, on our pre/pros, bass management is handled digitally, so it counts as processing. So, in Direct Mode, no processing, and no bass management. Note that this does NOT apply to the XSP-1 (because it's bass management is analog - so it doesn't count as processing). Doesn't the XMC offer bass management in Direct Mode? And Reference mode bypasses all processing? I believe Geebo is correct. When I use Direct Mode my subwoofer is still in play, when I use Reference Mode, my subwoofer is out of the picture. It's quite possible that I'm not doing something right however.......
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Post by geebo on Apr 9, 2018 9:59:55 GMT -5
Regarding Direct Mode with the XMC from the manual:
Direct Mode Direct Mode provides a relatively pure listening experience, and eliminates most processing, but still retains bass management. In Direct Mode: • The output contains the same number of channels as the input signal. • No extra channels are synthesized; if the output channel that corresponds to a given input channel is not present, that channel signal is mixed into the appropriate available channels. • Bass management IS available and the subwoofer IS active. • You CANNOT use the Loudness Control, or the Tone Presets, or the Tone Trims • You CANNOT use Dirac Live or the manual Parametric EQ Presets. • Level Trims, which operate in the analog domain, are still available. • Speaker Distance adjustments are available for both analog and digital inputs. • Stereo digital signals are presented directly to the processor. • Stereo analog input signals are converted to digital and passed to the processor. • Surround sound digital signals are decoded, and passed to the processor. • Multi-channel discrete digital signals (like multi-PCM) are passed directly to the processor. • All signals receive bass management - but no other processing. • If an LFE signal is present, and one or two subwoofers are also present, the LFE content will be routed to the subs along with low-frequency content from the main channels (as determined by the bass management settings).
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Post by KeithL on Apr 9, 2018 10:01:58 GMT -5
That's true..... I was thinking of our other units (it's different for each). Regarding Direct Mode with the XMC from the manual: Direct Mode Direct Mode provides a relatively pure listening experience, and eliminates most processing, but still retains bass management.In Direct Mode: • The output contains the same number of channels as the input signal. • No extra channels are synthesized; if the output channel that corresponds to a given input channel is not present, that channel signal is mixed into the appropriate available channels. • Bass management IS available and the subwoofer IS active. • You CANNOT use the Loudness Control, or the Tone Presets, or the Tone Trims • You CANNOT use Dirac Live or the manual Parametric EQ Presets. • Level Trims, which operate in the analog domain, are still available. • Speaker Distance adjustments are available for both analog and digital inputs. • Stereo digital signals are presented directly to the processor. • Stereo analog input signals are converted to digital and passed to the processor. • Surround sound digital signals are decoded, and passed to the processor. • Multi-channel discrete digital signals (like multi-PCM) are passed directly to the processor. • All signals receive bass management - but no other processing. • If an LFE signal is present, and one or two subwoofers are also present, the LFE content will be routed to the subs along with low-frequency content from the main channels (as determined by the bass management settings).
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Post by bolle on Apr 10, 2018 4:15:15 GMT -5
KeithL, precisely which other units are you speaking of? As I mentioned above the UMC-200 also behaves differently here than what you originally wrote. Is the MC-700 different in this regard than the UMC-200?
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Post by KeithL on Apr 10, 2018 8:40:27 GMT -5
I hate to admit it - but my memory of details on like that on some of our older units is a bit blurry. I'm pretty sure that, on the UMC-1, there was no bass management in Direct Mode. And, on one or two other units, you get slightly different processing options with a digital input than with an analog input. On the XMC-1, you get bass management in Direct Mode, but not in Reference Stereo Mode... And, on the XMC-1, you don't EVER get bass management with an Analog 7.1 Channel Input or a true DSD input... There is no actual industry standard for exactly what "Direct Mode" means....... KeithL, precisely which other units are you speaking of? As I mentioned above the UMC-200 also behaves differently here than what you originally wrote. Is the MC-700 different in this regard than the UMC-200?
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Post by bolle on Apr 10, 2018 10:52:47 GMT -5
Thank you for the feedback. I was really just curious / interested. Regarding the "industry standard" I agree, I think this also applies to "All Channel Stereo" and other non-Dolby / DTS modes.
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Post by zugisland on Apr 24, 2018 22:37:20 GMT -5
Im looking to run my dac streamer xlr into the emotive stereo xlr inputs and want to eliminate all processing and just the emotiva for a stereo bypass but also so that i can use the xlr outputs to my monoblocks for stereo and of course then set up a hometheater bypass so that with movies i can use the xmc to play my movies in 7.2 what mode works this way?
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