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Post by mshump on Apr 11, 2018 15:54:03 GMT -5
Just saw this, may be interesting LinkMark |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 11, 2018 16:24:56 GMT -5
High Def. vinyl!
Now, THAT’S an oxymoron if ever I’ve read one ☝️
Bill
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Post by novisnick on Apr 11, 2018 16:53:27 GMT -5
And what will be the first five LPs pressed? WTF! Lost a page while typing! I hate that schiit! What one LP would you like to see repressed?
My first one would be Take Five because its a classic and has been repressed almost every year since its first pressing.
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Post by dcg44s on Apr 11, 2018 17:31:41 GMT -5
What's not to like? No mention of cost though.
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Post by dcg44s on Apr 11, 2018 17:33:49 GMT -5
And what will be the first five LPs pressed? WTF! Lost a page while typing! I hate that schiit! What one LP would you like to see repressed?
My first one would be Take Five because its a classic and has been repressed almost every year since its first pressing.
Pick one? Are you mad? There is no just one when it comes to music foolish man😀 |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 11, 2018 17:36:22 GMT -5
And what will be the first five LPs pressed? WTF! Lost a page while typing! I hate that schiit! What one LP would you like to see repressed?
My first one would be Take Five because its a classic and has been repressed almost every year since its first pressing.
Pick one? Are you mad? There is no just one when it comes to music foolish man😀 Well, it is just one of five,,,,,,take five ,,,,then! See what I did there? LOL |
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Post by Cogito on Apr 11, 2018 17:59:03 GMT -5
30% More amplitude? Hell, the vinyl technology can barely handle the current amplitude without kicking the needle out of the groove.
Kids, get over it! Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz...
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Post by garbulky on Apr 11, 2018 18:05:11 GMT -5
30% More amplitude? Hell, the vinyl technology can barely handle the current amplitude without kicking the needle out of the groove. Kids, get over it! Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz... I personally think it's definitely the younger population. The last two times somebody talked to me about vinyl were young people. It's trendy now. |
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Post by Cogito on Apr 11, 2018 18:09:02 GMT -5
30% More amplitude? Hell, the vinyl technology can barely handle the current amplitude without kicking the needle out of the groove. Kids, get over it! Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz... I personally think it's definitely the younger population. The last two times somebody talked to me about vinyl were young people. It's trendy now. Yes, "Trendy" for sure. |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 11, 2018 18:40:29 GMT -5
30% More amplitude? Hell, the vinyl technology can barely handle the current amplitude without kicking the needle out of the groove. Kids, get over it! Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz... Im not grey headed and Vinyl lives! Love it, someday digital will sound almost as good! ✌️  |
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 11, 2018 18:45:31 GMT -5
Trendy and a curiosity for some. I have a friend whose daughter loves hearing vinyl. I don't think anything is really dead because it is not in your or my reality. Tape was very much part of mine for years. Digital is so much easier. Do I want a tape machine again? Sure, but I am not killing myself to get one. Like vinyl sure it is times I loved gone by. Is that bad? I don't think so. If it brings you joy, and closer to your music, who is to say? At the end, play the music, love the time, get more and more music, and do it some more. I am a listener, not a judge. This coming from a grey-hair. Rock on.
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Post by KeithL on Apr 11, 2018 19:56:28 GMT -5
This is actually VERY interesting - for a number of reasons.
My first reaction was sort of negative..... and along the lines of:
"I would like to see the next person who uses the words HIGH DEFINITION to describe something that really isn't high definition stood against a wall and shot".
Yellow plastic sunglasses are NOT high-definition; and neither is a fine microfiber cloth to clean them with (and neither is this - really).
However, as a technology, this is actually rather impressive.
The actual technology involved in pressing vinyl hasn't changed much in about fifty years.
And this technology seems to have made two distinctly useful improvements to the process.
The track width on vinyl has always been dynamically adjusted depending on the amplitude of the audio at any given point.
Louder music, and music at lower frequencies, requires wider grooves, so the spacing between the grooves has to be adjusted to accommodate it.
Record cutting lathes do this automatically, and the guys who know how to run them often adjust the process manually.
Using a computer to optimize the groove layout seems like a good idea - whose time has clearly come - and squeezing 30% more audio onto a vinyl disc can't hurt.
(The amount of audio you can fit on one side of a vinyl album has always been considered to be one of it's more important limitations.
Now that digital files have just about replaced physical discs, and files have no limit at all, it seems like less of an issue... but it will certainly help vinyl catch up.)
And, developing a new process that uses ceramic rather than metal seems like an excellent application of modern technology.
Assuming it lives up to their claims (which I would not take as a given), it will reduce the cost of making vinyl albums, and quite possibly improve the consistency of the product.
And, if it actually manages to deliver a smoother master, it might also result in a slight improvement in surface noise.
At one level, I don't think the entire industry uses enough metal plating to be an environmental issue any more...
But, at another level, you'll probably be able use their mastering cutter to make and press records, without getting special permits from the EPA, or sending out to a "plating house".
This might make vinyl mastering "more accessible" in terms of the requirements of setting up and opertaing a mastering facility.
Anyone who is worried should note that the end result of their process is NOT going to be any different than current albums in terms of playback.
What we have here is an improvement in PRODUCTION technology.
With luck it will enable vinyl albums to be made a little bit better, for a little lower cost, which can't NOT be a good thing.
(And, no, I haven't suddenly decided that I like vinyl... but, as a technology, this is pretty cool.)
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Post by socketman on Apr 11, 2018 20:46:25 GMT -5
30% More amplitude? Hell, the vinyl technology can barely handle the current amplitude without kicking the needle out of the groove. Kids, get over it! Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz... Sit on it potsy LOL |
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Post by socketman on Apr 11, 2018 20:52:20 GMT -5
This is actually VERY interesting - for a number of reasons. My first reaction was sort of negative..... and along the lines of: "I would like to see the next person who uses the words HIGH DEFINITION to describe something that really isn't high definition stood against a wall and shot". Yellow plastic sunglasses are NOT high-definition; and neither is a fine microfiber cloth to clean them with (and neither is this - really). However, as a technology, this is actually rather impressive. The actual technology involved in pressing vinyl hasn't changed much in about fifty years. And this technology seems to have made two distinctly useful improvements to the process. The track width on vinyl has always been dynamically adjusted depending on the amplitude of the audio at any given point. Louder music, and music at lower frequencies, requires wider grooves, so the spacing between the grooves has to be adjusted to accommodate it. Record cutting lathes do this automatically, and the guys who know how to run them often adjust the process manually. Using a computer to optimize the groove layout seems like a good idea - whose time has clearly come - and squeezing 30% more audio onto a vinyl disc can't hurt. (The amount of audio you can fit on one side of a vinyl album has always been considered to be one of it's more important limitations. Now that digital files have just about replaced physical discs, and files have no limit at all, it seems like less of an issue... but it will certainly help vinyl catch up.) And, developing a new process that uses ceramic rather than metal seems like an excellent application of modern technology. Assuming it lives up to their claims (which I would not take as a given), it will reduce the cost of making vinyl albums, and quite possibly improve the consistency of the product. And, if it actually manages to deliver a smoother master, it might also result in a slight improvement in surface noise. At one level, I don't think the entire industry uses enough metal plating to be an environmental issue any more... But, at another level, you'll probably be able use their mastering cutter to make and press records, without getting special permits from the EPA, or sending out to a "plating house". This might make vinyl mastering "more accessible" in terms of the requirements of setting up and opertaing a mastering facility. Anyone who is worried should note that the end result of their process is NOT going to be any different than current albums in terms of playback. What we have here is an improvement in PRODUCTION technology. With luck it will enable vinyl albums to be made a little bit better, for a little lower cost, which can't NOT be a good thing. (And, no, I haven't suddenly decided that I like vinyl... but, as a technology, this is pretty cool.) Dont forget that CDs hold way more music than they give us already so i dont see how this is a bonus unless the musicians actually give them more music to put on the LP. The best part is that the last pressing should be as good as the first and i know i have had some albums that sounded worse new than a 10yr old album from my collection. I dont understand people that dont like vinyl attacking people who do , it my money so MYOB. |
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Post by brutiarti on Apr 11, 2018 20:52:45 GMT -5
Will it sound better than MQA?
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 12, 2018 7:18:16 GMT -5
And what will be the first five LPs pressed? WTF! Lost a page while typing! I hate that schiit! What one LP would you like to see repressed?
My first one would be Take Five because its a classic and has been repressed almost every year since its first pressing.
Ahhhh......the IMFAMOUS Joe Morello drum 🥁 solo accompanied by the Brubeck vamp. Fewer notes with greater impact, that was Morello’s trademark. Bill |
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Post by geeqner on Apr 17, 2018 9:33:55 GMT -5
... Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz... Hey I RESEMBLE that comment  [Too old to be a hipster - not Too old to hear decently, but definitely up to my mid-thighs in the "old guy waters"...] I STILL like to spin some Vinyl once in a while - there's something about the minor ceremony of it (like you said - the NOSTALGIA). I'm NOT one of those who think that Analog is BETTER than a GOOD digital recording - Although I will still stick to my guns and state that SOME well-Engineered albums, if the owner knew how to properly care for the records, still sound awfully darned good. But I'm enough of a realist to know that I'm DEFINITELY NOT going to be investing in "New" Analog technology - just enough to retain the ability to play my old Vinyl collection along with some rummage-sale buys when the mood strikes me. Moolah for new equipment will be invested in DIGITAL, where I am admittedly behind the times (maybe some sort of streaming and get my CD Collection "digitized") (I DO agree with what others have said - about GOOD Digital is just "easier" - but at times, maybe not as much "fun" which is hard to quantify.) |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 17, 2018 9:38:24 GMT -5
Well if you listen, you'll find that most of the dynamics you hear are in the 50 db range or so. Stretch it and you may get to 70 db to absolute silence. But at -50 db the sounds are pretty soft, very soft if you are hearing anything other than -50 db. Most of the meat is imo at even smaller dynamic ranges than that.
I'm of the changing view that SNR and dynamic range aren't necesarily the defining factor of what sounds good to us past a surprisingly low point. It's how the sound is reproduced within the useful envelop where there's actually audio is what's important. Vinyl has no digital filter though it has a ton of other distortions like wow and flutter.
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Post by sounder on May 17, 2018 13:40:06 GMT -5
30% More amplitude? Hell, the vinyl technology can barely handle the current amplitude without kicking the needle out of the groove. Kids, get over it! Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz... To anyone who thinks vinyl is "dead" and doesn't sound dynamic, I invite you to come to my place and listen to my vinyl rig. I have a good CD player too... but we listen almost exclusively to vinyl. I will prove you wrong. I don't have the needle jumping out of the groove. Ever. And it sounds fantastic. Who'll accept the challenge? |
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Post by novisnick on May 17, 2018 14:43:30 GMT -5
30% More amplitude? Hell, the vinyl technology can barely handle the current amplitude without kicking the needle out of the groove. Kids, get over it! Analog is DEAD. Don't let the recent resurgence of vinyl fool you! It's just a nostalgic blip, propagated by the ever aging audiophile grey-hairs trying to relive their younger years when they could actually hear tones over 10 KHz... To anyone who thinks vinyl is "dead" and doesn't sound dynamic, I invite you to come to my place and listen to my vinyl rig. I have a good CD player too... but we listen almost exclusively to vinyl. I will prove you wrong. I don't have the needle jumping out of the groove. Ever. And it sounds fantastic. Who'll accept the challenge? Ill make the same offer! Come listen to what music should sound like! 😎,,,,,,,,,,,,,and it begins!!! |
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[Too old to be a hipster - not Too old to hear decently, but definitely up to my mid-thighs in the "old guy waters"...]
