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Post by knucklehead on Apr 12, 2018 19:36:36 GMT -5
Kinda nuts to think a $400 device can reduce or remove the buzzing in a $400 processor. For the time I had a PT-7030 I had zero problems with it, no buzzing at all. I had no idea there was any kind of buzzing problems with them at any rate. It was one of the better processors I've owned. The Yamaha CX-A5000 is in first place but the 7030 is a close second. But (for now) no more processors for me. AVRs are a perfect fit for how my system is set up.
I can see this is going to be a hot item, judging by all the comments.
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Post by goozoo on Apr 13, 2018 0:32:38 GMT -5
I don't believe the HDBaseT extender will rsolve your buzzing problem as it seems related to the unit itself. Furthermore, with the introduction of fiberoptic HDMI cables, who is going to drop $400 when they can do it at a fraction of that price from Monoprice ($160 for 100ft) ?
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Post by bblv on Apr 13, 2018 1:29:22 GMT -5
Where's the 8x8 18Gbps matrix to go along with it?  |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Apr 13, 2018 4:45:54 GMT -5
I don't believe the HDBaseT extender will rsolve your buzzing problem as it seems related to the unit itself. Furthermore, with the introduction of fiberoptic HDMI cables, who is going to drop $400 when they can do it at a fraction of that price from Monoprice ($160 for 100ft) ? Say you just built your dream theater with your $160.00 optical cable roughed onto the the framing of your home. Two year later it craps out... for whatever reason. You get the idea. How do you plan on swapping the optical cable out? Open up the walls? In my home, for example, it’s nearly impossible to get to the cable now that the walls are closed up. With the CAT cable sitting in the wall, you just change one of the end units if there is an issue. Or, your re-terminate if you have a connection issue. Bullet proof and very easy to service if something goes wrong, Also, we encourage everyone to double up the CAT cable during install because it’s so cheap to do. This way, you “future proof” this run. As technology moves forward, you can run a lot of data down these pipes. Or, if something goes wrong over the years, you’ve got a spare. All of my buddies in the the pro world are using Baluns like this, or AV/IP. So, that’s why you might spend a couple of extra bucks today. And it works beautifully on top of that! Just my opinion, man... Oh yeah, and you can run IR and RS-232 down the line too!!! |
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Post by jlafrenz on Apr 13, 2018 7:05:31 GMT -5
I don't believe the HDBaseT extender will rsolve your buzzing problem as it seems related to the unit itself. Furthermore, with the introduction of fiberoptic HDMI cables, who is going to drop $400 when they can do it at a fraction of that price from Monoprice ($160 for 100ft) ? HDBaseT will allow you to go over 100Ft. As well, this unit allows you to carry an IR or RS-232 signal from a control system where HDMI does not. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 13, 2018 9:46:30 GMT -5
Conduits with pull strings! Always conduits! And if you lose your pull string, you can often draw another one either by pulling an existing cable or by tying a Puff Ball to the end of a new string and using your Vacuum Cleaner to pull it through.
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Post by jlafrenz on Apr 13, 2018 12:53:47 GMT -5
Conduits with pull strings! Always conduits! And if you lose your pull string, you can often draw another one either by pulling an existing cable or by tying a Puff Ball to the end of a new string and using your Vacuum Cleaner to pull it through. Casey Conduits are great, but not always feasible. |
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Post by goozoo on Apr 13, 2018 17:47:57 GMT -5
I don't believe the HDBaseT extender will rsolve your buzzing problem as it seems related to the unit itself. Furthermore, with the introduction of fiberoptic HDMI cables, who is going to drop $400 when they can do it at a fraction of that price from Monoprice ($160 for 100ft) ? HDBaseT will allow you to go over 100Ft. As well, this unit allows you to carry an IR or RS-232 signal from a control system where HDMI does not. So does optical cable. 330ft to be precise. I was using 100ft as an example for most residential in-room configurations. We use BALUNS like this for home runs to remote locations for equipment located in other parts of the house or office as it (this technology) was intended. Dan does make a good point however for in-wall installations with regard to repairs. The IR functionality is useful in residential applications for example to distribute a cable signal to multiple sources from a single box via a matrix switcher; which is not included here. |
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Post by goozoo on Apr 13, 2018 18:01:49 GMT -5
I don't believe the HDBaseT extender will rsolve your buzzing problem as it seems related to the unit itself. Furthermore, with the introduction of fiberoptic HDMI cables, who is going to drop $400 when they can do it at a fraction of that price from Monoprice ($160 for 100ft) ? Say you just built your dream theater with your $160.00 optical cable roughed onto the the framing of your home. Two year later it craps out... for whatever reason. You get the idea. How do you plan on swapping the optical cable out? Open up the walls? In my home, for example, it’s nearly impossible to get to the cable now that the walls are closed up. With the CAT cable sitting in the wall, you just change one of the end units if there is an issue. Or, your re-terminate if you have a connection issue. Bullet proof and very easy to service if something goes wrong, Also, we encourage everyone to double up the CAT cable during install because it’s so cheap to do. This way, you “future proof” this run. As technology moves forward, you can run a lot of data down these pipes. Or, if something goes wrong over the years, you’ve got a spare. All of my buddies in the the pro world are using Baluns like this, or AV/IP. So, that’s why you might spend a couple of extra bucks today. And it works beautifully on top of that! Just my opinion, man... Oh yeah, and you can run IR and RS-232 down the line too!!! We use BALUNS like this in our installs for home runs to remote locations of equipment located in other parts of the house or office as it (this technology) was intended. You make a good point however for in-wall installations with regard to repairs, replacement, etc. Also it would be good to keep in mind that similar products from the likes of Atlona, et. al, are far more expensive for the same performance. It will be interesting to see whether or not BALUNS like this have crossed the chasm between an installers' niche product to one of mass consumption given the alternatives that exist. If fruitful, then the next step would be a similar product as part of a matrix switcher.....e.g. 8x8 4K/60fps. At the right price, now your talking! |
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Post by 2muchht on Apr 14, 2018 18:24:23 GMT -5
I'm certain that this is a REALLY dumb question, but the pricing info is not clear. Is it $399 at each end, or $399 for a transmitter/receiver pair? I've got to get that "reading" thing buttoned down!
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Post by jlafrenz on Apr 14, 2018 19:12:40 GMT -5
I'm certain that this is a REALLY dumb question, but the pricing info is not clear. Is it $399 at each end, or $399 for a transmitter/receiver pair? I've got to get that "reading" thing buttoned down! Pair. It's hidden in the description section of the unit. |
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Post by 2muchht on Apr 15, 2018 10:57:45 GMT -5
I'm certain that this is a REALLY dumb question, but the pricing info is not clear. Is it $399 at each end, or $399 for a transmitter/receiver pair? I've got to get that "reading" thing buttoned down! Pair. It's hidden in the description section of the unit. THANKS. In the immortal words of that great sage and philosopher, Homer Simpson, DOH! Yes, it does list both in the specs, but for us lazy bones it would be helpful if the price was listed as "Pair". Just a suggestion. |
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Post by pknaz on Jul 3, 2018 11:58:39 GMT -5
Anyone purchase one of these kits, any feedback, thoughts, comments, concerns, etc.??
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Post by jlafrenz on Jul 3, 2018 14:10:04 GMT -5
Anyone purchase one of these kits, any feedback, thoughts, comments, concerns, etc.?? You post has me interested in trying one as I wanted to see how they performed. It looks like it isn't POE so I would be curious to see what the power module looks like and how it would fit behind a TV. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 3, 2018 14:27:30 GMT -5
Anyone purchase one of these kits, any feedback, thoughts, comments, concerns, etc.?? I think enricoclaudio did some tests with one you can read about in the Official HDMI V3 Board Thread. |
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Post by donh50 on Jul 3, 2018 15:30:04 GMT -5
Note a balun will provide impedance matching and perhaps single-ended to differential conversion for noise rejection but will not in general increase the signal level (in fact it will add loss) so it does not obviate active for long runs. Unless there is something else going on with this particular balun and/or cable design... For HDBaseT I suspect an active stage and balun at each end.
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Post by pknaz on Jul 3, 2018 18:48:36 GMT -5
I just picked one up today. I'm not running it with a 4k source or display. I had a cheap 1080p balun that was flickering, screen would go blank periodically (some times for upwards of 5 seconds) and had pretty bad visual distortions. The emotiva has Way better picture quality and no intermittent black screen flickering (some times for up to 5 seconds). Seems to work much better than the cheap one I had. I also got a free T-shirt and tote bag. I also got to meet Kieth in person for the first time, Nice to meet you KeithL |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 4, 2018 21:14:28 GMT -5
I purchased one two weeks ago to check for DV and HDR with my bedroom Sony X930E and the XMC-1 with the new V3 board upgrade. The XMC-1 is in my living room with a 1080p projector so the only way for me to properly test if the V3 is sending DV and HDR is with my bedroom TV which is 35' from the XMC-1. I was testing with a 50' Monoprice HOSS active HDMI cable and I was getting DV and HDR from ATV 4K and from Oppo 203 only when connecting sources directly to the TV. If I put the XMC-1 in the chain, I get only HDR but no DV. After emailing Lonnie and asking him about their HDBaseT solution, he said that in their lab they get DV using it so I jumped on the wagon and ordered it. As soon I got it, I set it up and to my surprise I got no DV and partial HDR. I was using on both ends 6' Monoprice Certified Premium HDMI cables. I did try bypassing the XMC-1 and got DV but with washed out menu on ATV 4K and only HDR 4:2:0 with ATV 4K. Also, as soon you unplug one of the HDMI cables from the TV or source, you have to unplug the power on the adapter to get handshake again, not to mention that handshake takes forever. During the 4 hours test I did power reset about 10 times. Got so frustrated that next day asked for RMA and returned it. They got it yesterday delivered in TN and waiting for my refund. Like pknaz mentioned, it works really well with 1080p signal, but with 4K, don't waste your money, HDBaseT according to CEDIA does not pass DV and HDR only compressed.  community.cedia.net/blogs/david-meyer/2018/05/16/hdmi-data-rates-for-4k-hdr |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jul 4, 2018 21:22:46 GMT -5
Anyone purchase one of these kits, any feedback, thoughts, comments, concerns, etc.?? You post has me interested in trying one as I wanted to see how they performed. It looks like it isn't POE so I would be curious to see what the power module looks like and how it would fit behind a TV. It's PoE. It comes with one power adapter that you plug either in the Transmitter or in the Receiver. On HDBaseT adapters the proper term is PoH (Power Over HDBaseT)  |
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Post by jlafrenz on Jul 4, 2018 22:33:36 GMT -5
You post has me interested in trying one as I wanted to see how they performed. It looks like it isn't POE so I would be curious to see what the power module looks like and how it would fit behind a TV. It's PoE. It comes with one power adapter that you plug either in the Transmitter or in the Receiver. On HDBaseT adapters the proper term is PoH (Power Over HDBaseT) View AttachmentThat is good to know that it is POE (POH). I was looking through the specs, but didn't see it listed. I may have overlooked it as I had POE in mind. |
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