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Post by 405x5 on Jun 11, 2018 17:06:47 GMT -5
The one meter XLRs go for $499 a pair. The Cardas connectors for the pair cost more than $110 by themselves. The power cords use Furutech connectors which also are not cheap. Russ Ahhhh “Cardas” and.....”FURUTECH”!!! As usual, these designer 👩🎨 interconnects are introduced with names, adjectives and accolades, that leave clear thinking individuals scratching their heads. Bill |
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 11, 2018 19:43:00 GMT -5
Ahhhh “Cardas” and.....”FURUTECH”!!! As usual, these designer 👩🎨 interconnects are introduced with names, adjectives and accolades, that leave clear thinking individuals scratching their heads. Bill Might I suggest upgrading the fuses as well, since they are unshielded? Here's a set that are highly recommended - www.thecableco.com/accessories/fuses/blue-quantum-fuse-small-6-3x32mm-250v-slo-blo.htmlIt has quantum in the name, so they must be good. |
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 11, 2018 20:18:51 GMT -5
Ahhhh “Cardas” and.....”FURUTECH”!!! As usual, these designer 👩🎨 interconnects are introduced with names, adjectives and accolades, that leave clear thinking individuals scratching their heads. Bill Might I suggest upgrading the fuses as well, since they are unshielded? Here's a set that are highly recommended - www.thecableco.com/accessories/fuses/blue-quantum-fuse-small-6-3x32mm-250v-slo-blo.htmlIt has quantum in the name, so they must be good. Congratulations! You have stumped the band. Have to admit this is one I have not seen yet. Yours elevates lunacy to a new level. Bill |
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Post by creimes on Jun 11, 2018 23:25:35 GMT -5
Ahhhh “Cardas” and.....”FURUTECH”!!! As usual, these designer 👩🎨 interconnects are introduced with names, adjectives and accolades, that leave clear thinking individuals scratching their heads. Bill Might I suggest upgrading the fuses as well, since they are unshielded? Here's a set that are highly recommended - www.thecableco.com/accessories/fuses/blue-quantum-fuse-small-6-3x32mm-250v-slo-blo.htmlIt has quantum in the name, so they must be good. Hey at least they are Blue hahahaha |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jun 12, 2018 14:14:40 GMT -5
NRG DRAGON SOURCE by Audioquest is HIGHLY PRICED.
The Storm Series AC power cables are amongst the latest developments from AudioQuest.
The prices range from $3400 to over $8400.00.
After owning MIT Terminated ll speaker cable 6' lengths at a cost of $600.00 over a decade and a half ago comparing them to my Nakamichi speaker cables moderately priced I could not tell the difference.
IMO I do not feel the financial investment is worth the results EVEN if you do hear a noticeable difference...to what degree of improvement does is a $6000.00 price tag warranted?
Also another point (IMO) is the idea if you are going to start with HIGH END, HIGH COST power cables shouldn't you follow though with your entire system. Speaker cables, interconnects etc?
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 12, 2018 14:32:13 GMT -5
NRG DRAGON SOURCE by Audioquest is HIGHLY PRICED. The Storm Series AC power cables are amongst the latest developments from AudioQuest. The prices range from $3400 to over $8400.00. After owning MIT Terminated ll speaker cable 6' lengths at a cost of $600.00 over a decade and a half ago comparing them to my Nakamichi speaker cables moderately priced I could not tell the difference. IMO I do not feel the financial investment is worth the results EVEN if you do hear a noticeable difference...to what degree of improvement does is a $6000.00 price tag warranted? Also another point (IMO) is the idea if you are going to start with HIGH END, HIGH COST power cables shouldn't you follow though with your entire system. Speaker cables, interconnects etc? If I was a believer in high end cables making a difference, I would think that the speaker cables would have the largest impact on sound quality. Only because that wire is carrying the final signal from the amp to the speaker. For the life of me I cannot see how a power cable can make any difference in SQ. When you look at what happens to that electricity as it enters the amp and then how it is manipulated inside of the amp that power cable has a minimal impact of the sound. Also when you look at a power cable you also have to look at the wiring inside of the amp itself. Sure its a short run of wire inside, but that wire is nothing special at all. If you were getting any benefit on the external power cable I would think you would lose almost all of that benefit at the socket of the amp. But at the end of the day the OP bought the cable and it made him happy. He hears a difference and that's really all that matters. I would be willing to bet that almost all of us on this board have upgraded some piece of equipment be it amp, processor, speaker etc and we have convinced ourselves we hear a difference just because we spent money on it. |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 12, 2018 17:26:13 GMT -5
Also just to continue the wire debate in other areas I have also seen some very scientific work with subsequent measurements dealing other digital cables mostly USB. I never learned until recently that USB specs are supposed to be a 90 ohm impedance but most of them are wildly out of spec in this regard. I have seen the graphs as proof. Same with digital coax many not adhering to their 75 ohm impedance mainly due to incorrect termination and connectors. A BNC connector is best for ensuring 75 ohms characteristic impedance. I wish more DACs could accommodate a BNC connection. Russ |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 12, 2018 17:31:42 GMT -5
The Triod's range from $250-1400 for 1 power cord. They sure have an odd definition of "affordable" and "everyday prices". I won't rule out that they could improve the sound but every snake-oil cable seller always has these 2 characteristics: - extremely high price - no free trial period (like Emo) I'd be willing to give a high end cord a shot if I could return it for full refund if I couldn't hear a difference/difference wasn't great enough to warrant the price. Triod Wire Labs has a 30 day full refund return policy. I believe The Cable Company has a library of cables that can be tried out with a liberal return policy. By the way it only took seconds to hear the difference the TWL power cords made. Details later in the week. Russ |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jun 12, 2018 17:34:58 GMT -5
NRG DRAGON SOURCE by Audioquest is HIGHLY PRICED. The Storm Series AC power cables are amongst the latest developments from AudioQuest. The prices range from $3400 to over $8400.00. After owning MIT Terminated ll speaker cable 6' lengths at a cost of $600.00 over a decade and a half ago comparing them to my Nakamichi speaker cables moderately priced I could not tell the difference. IMO I do not feel the financial investment is worth the results EVEN if you do hear a noticeable difference...to what degree of improvement does is a $6000.00 price tag warranted? Also another point (IMO) is the idea if you are going to start with HIGH END, HIGH COST power cables shouldn't you follow though with your entire system. Speaker cables, interconnects etc? If I was a believer in high end cables making a difference, I would think that the speaker cables would have the largest impact on sound quality. Only because that wire is carrying the final signal from the amp to the speaker. For the life of me I cannot see how a power cable can make any difference in SQ. When you look at what happens to that electricity as it enters the amp and then how it is manipulated inside of the amp that power cable has a minimal impact of the sound. Also when you look at a power cable you also have to look at the wiring inside of the amp itself. Sure its a short run of wire inside, but that wire is nothing special at all. If you were getting any benefit on the external power cable I would think you would lose almost all of that benefit at the socket of the amp. But at the end of the day the OP bought the cable and it made him happy. He hears a difference and that's really all that matters. I would be willing to bet that almost all of us on this board have upgraded some piece of equipment be it amp, processor, speaker etc and we have convinced ourselves we hear a difference just because we spent money on it. True...all that matters is that your system makes YOU happy no matter what other people think. And I do still standby the adage “money is relative “ |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 12, 2018 17:35:28 GMT -5
It's one thing for someone to hear a difference in different cables which is a whole topic on it's own, what I find ridiculous is one would spend so much on something so little, I understand there is engineering and testing and what have you but to spend $5000 on a set of XLR cables is IMO one of the biggest scams out there, I purchased an XPA-2 from a gentleman who had a $1000 power cord hooked up to it, was worth more than the amplifier, as a regular Joe I cannot fathom a 2ft power cable costing more to develop and make than a 80lb 2 channel amp. Chad Right on target 🎯. I took another look at the OP’s high end website. They should rename it : bendoverandgrabyourankles.com ....and so it goes. It’s interesting that this stuff finds its way to a forum sponsored by a company that puts out some of the most cost effective equipment on the face of the planet. Bill Just a note; more and more manufacturers were demoing with TWL at Axpona. Many would think they are cost effective, a reasonable cost (IMO) between the cables that came in the box and the cables creimes refers too. Russ |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 12, 2018 17:44:50 GMT -5
NRG DRAGON SOURCE by Audioquest is HIGHLY PRICED. The Storm Series AC power cables are amongst the latest developments from AudioQuest. The prices range from $3400 to over $8400.00. After owning MIT Terminated ll speaker cable 6' lengths at a cost of $600.00 over a decade and a half ago comparing them to my Nakamichi speaker cables moderately priced I could not tell the difference. IMO I do not feel the financial investment is worth the results EVEN if you do hear a noticeable difference...to what degree of improvement does is a $6000.00 price tag warranted? Also another point (IMO) is the idea if you are going to start with HIGH END, HIGH COST power cables shouldn't you follow though with your entire system. Speaker cables, interconnects etc? The two power cords list for $699 each (and I didn't pay that), NOT $6,000 each. But I agree with your last point. I also purchased a pair of the TWL balanced interconnects. They're still not installed the system as I want to hear the power cords for a few day to not confuse which cable is contributing what. I'll probably purchase the TWL biwire speaker cable too although I'd like to work with the manufacturer on their design before doing that. Russ. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 12, 2018 17:52:50 GMT -5
NRG DRAGON SOURCE by Audioquest is HIGHLY PRICED. The Storm Series AC power cables are amongst the latest developments from AudioQuest. The prices range from $3400 to over $8400.00. After owning MIT Terminated ll speaker cable 6' lengths at a cost of $600.00 over a decade and a half ago comparing them to my Nakamichi speaker cables moderately priced I could not tell the difference. IMO I do not feel the financial investment is worth the results EVEN if you do hear a noticeable difference...to what degree of improvement does is a $6000.00 price tag warranted? Also another point (IMO) is the idea if you are going to start with HIGH END, HIGH COST power cables shouldn't you follow though with your entire system. Speaker cables, interconnects etc? The two power cords list for $649 each (and I didn't pay that), NOT $6,000 each. But I agree with your last point. I also purchased a pair of the TWL balanced interconnects. They're still not installed the system as I want to hear the power cords for a few day to not confuse which cable is contributing what. I'll probably purchase the TWL biwire speaker cable too although I'd like to work with the manufacturer on their design before doing that. Russ. Are you going to get the XPA-1 gen 2 on closeout? I think it would do really well with your speakers. More bass extension and dynamics |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Jun 12, 2018 17:59:23 GMT -5
The two power cords list for $699 each (and I didn't pay that), NOT $6,000 each. But I agree with your last point. I also purchased a pair of the TWL balanced interconnects. They're still not installed the system as I want to hear the power cords for a few day to not confuse which cable is contributing what. I'll probably purchase the TWL biwire speaker cable too although I'd like to work with the manufacturer on their design before doing that. Russ. Are you going to get the XPA-1 gen 2 on closeout? I think it would do really well with your speakers. More bass extension and dynamics Hi Gar- no, the 1Ls interact quite well with the NHTs. And the wife keeps complaining "too much bass". Actually, when the basement gets finished (taking way too long) all the equipment in my signature will go downstairs for a dedicated HT. Then a complete new stereo system will go in its place upstairs. But thanks for suggesting. Russ |
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 12, 2018 20:54:48 GMT -5
"HIGHLY PRICED. The prices range from $3400 to over $8400.00. " " if you are going to start with HIGH END, HIGH COST power cables shouldn't you follow though with your entire system. Speaker cables, interconnects etc?" If I was a believer in high end cables making a difference, I would think that the speaker cables would have the largest impact on sound quality. Only because that wire is carrying the final signal from the amp to the speaker. For the life of me I cannot see how a power cable can make any difference in SQ. When you look at what happens to that electricity as it enters the amp and then how it is manipulated inside of the amp that power cable has a minimal impact of the sound. Also when you look at a power cable you also have to look at the wiring inside of the amp itself. Sure its a short run of wire inside, but that wire is nothing special at all. If you were getting any benefit on the external power cable I would think you would lose almost all of that benefit at the socket of the amp. But at the end of the day the OP bought the cable and it made him happy. He hears a difference and that's really all that matters. I would be willing to bet that almost all of us on this board have upgraded some piece of equipment be it amp, processor, speaker etc and we have convinced ourselves we hear a difference just because we spent money on it. Hi David, Any thinking about this stuff is OVERTHINKING! I suppose we should go back to the Subject of this thread "So the wife says".... They were saying we can't take it with us so, before we drop SPEND IT. Spending money is fun, and if you enjoy what you bought for whatever reason, more power to you. However it should be made clear, there is NO SUCH THING as a HIGH END CABLE OR WIRE!!!!! (only an overpriced high end cable or wire.) There is also a sucker born every day, an ass for every seat, you get the drift!! (lol) My loudspeaker wire came from Home Depot.....12 gauge stranded speaker wire, which was actually a bit overkill for proper resistance given the amplifier power being used. I bought the HDMI cables from Emotiva. My "EXCUSE ME POWER Cords" are all the ones that each component purchased was supplied with. Bill |
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 13, 2018 8:23:14 GMT -5
The Triod's range from $250-1400 for 1 power cord. They sure have an odd definition of "affordable" and "everyday prices". I won't rule out that they could improve the sound but every snake-oil cable seller always has these 2 characteristics: - extremely high price - no free trial period (like Emo) I'd be willing to give a high end cord a shot if I could return it for full refund if I couldn't hear a difference/difference wasn't great enough to warrant the price. Triod Wire Labs has a 30 day full refund return policy. I believe The Cable Company has a library of cables that can be tried out with a liberal return policy. By the way it only took seconds to hear the difference the TWL power cords made. Details later in the week. Russ Interesting. I'll have to investigate their return policies; I'll always be willing to give something a try. Here's another XLR cable you could give a try; the write-up says it all: www.schiit.com/products/pyst-cablesI think I'm starting to like Schiit more and more.. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 13, 2018 8:25:27 GMT -5
And so the wife says -
Why are all the components in this rack dusty except this one?
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Post by novisnick on Jun 13, 2018 9:21:12 GMT -5
And so the wife says - Why are all the components in this rack dusty except this one?
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Post by bluemeanies on Jun 13, 2018 10:48:23 GMT -5
NRG DRAGON SOURCE by Audioquest is HIGHLY PRICED. The Storm Series AC power cables are amongst the latest developments from AudioQuest. The prices range from $3400 to over $8400.00. After owning MIT Terminated ll speaker cable 6' lengths at a cost of $600.00 over a decade and a half ago comparing them to my Nakamichi speaker cables moderately priced I could not tell the difference. IMO I do not feel the financial investment is worth the results EVEN if you do hear a noticeable difference...to what degree of improvement does is a $6000.00 price tag warranted? Also another point (IMO) is the idea if you are going to start with HIGH END, HIGH COST power cables shouldn't you follow though with your entire system. Speaker cables, interconnects etc? The two power cords list for $699 each (and I didn't pay that), NOT $6,000 each. But I agree with your last point. I also purchased a pair of the TWL balanced interconnects. They're still not installed the system as I want to hear the power cords for a few day to not confuse which cable is contributing what. I'll probably purchase the TWL biwire speaker cable too although I'd like to work with the manufacturer on their design before doing that. Russ. Russ I was not implying you spent that kind of money AND if you did it is your business. I was just mentioning the BROAD spectrum of pricing for power cables but also any cables relating to this hobby. Here is a AudioQuest price information. One AC POWER CORD RETAILS FOR over $11,000 www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=2ahUKEwiK7_ik_dDbAhUDF5AKHRm5AzgQFjABegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.audioquest.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F01%2FAQ_PB_US-Retail_18-01_r3_Web.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2wKLMVNkdekuVO-dtcvZaH |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jun 13, 2018 11:01:01 GMT -5
So the wife says …
'Oh, THAT power cord. I lent it to the repair man you called yesterday."
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Post by jackfish on Jun 13, 2018 12:22:09 GMT -5
Cables do make a difference. Without them there isn't much to listen to.
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