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Post by cwt on Nov 22, 2018 4:53:44 GMT -5
If 192 was specified, I want 192 if possible. If Dirac says no, then I will accept that. The head honcho here said it was 192, so it must be 192 unless it is in writing, or from his mouth that it is not. Then we should have a slight problem with Emotiva and someone should be held accountable. It was press released as 192 as well. Stop being complacent sheep. It is always possible that the parts just could not handle the new algorithm. Many are hoping for Dirac version 2. That did not exist (and may not exist in the wild) so when it is available the specs will be there. If it is a concern, then I recommend waiting for Dirac support before purchasing. - Rich Yes waiting has many positives ; Dan has said in the past that dirac is dependant on negotiations eg for the new XMC1 board he said " . We'll have enough DSP oomph to do Dirac at 96k on the new engine. Again, we've got to do some negotiating with Dirac on the business side of this, but we'll certainly do our best to make it available. Stand by for advice as we get it." Looks like some haven't read recent reports on the RMC1 with details on dirac from Emo pertaining to 96khz ..Sort of thing you rely on in the absence of the nitty gitty details from Emo hometheaterreview.com/highly-anticipated-emotiva-rmc-1-16-channel-preamp-ships-in-november/www.ravepubs.com/emotiva-deliver-flagship-rmc-1-16-channel-processor-november/
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 22, 2018 7:20:16 GMT -5
Soooooooo......I'm wondering when is the RMC-1 getting added to the Harmony remote database? I'm trying to be proactive, and preparing ahead of time. When the XMC-1 first came out, only the commands available on the remote were added to the Harmony database, I’m not sure how they got there. This meant (for instance) that you couldn’t directly select a specific HDMI input, but had to cycle through them, many other commands were missing as well (like directly selecting audio modes). About a year later (after some prompting) they published the extended command set, but stated they weren’t submitting it to Logitech, and that it was the users responsibility. I was surprised but took on the task, it took almost 3 months to get it totally correct (Emotiva errors, Logitech errors, my errors). I’d hope and expect you could start with the XMC-1 Harmony codes, which should get you pretty far, but as for whatever new commands are available on the RMC-1, either Emotiva will have to submit them, or publish them for someone else to submit. It’s good you brought it up. The XMC-1 / Harmony process is documented here: emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/761803/threadEdit: I expect the same is true for the iOS App which wasn’t listed on the RMC product page as being supported, I’m not sure of the state of the Android App which was listed. They also mentioned a Windows App which makes me wonder if they have Chuck Elliot’s Code (RIP). The App is discussed here: emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/765177/thread
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Post by bblv on Nov 22, 2018 9:10:00 GMT -5
The preliminary manual states that the app will be available for Apple and Windows computers and Android phones, but elsewhere in the manual also states it will be available for "mobile devices - Apple devices, Android devices and Windows computers"... Hopefully "Apple" is inclusive of iOS. The conflicting wording makes me think it may be an error?
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 22, 2018 11:23:54 GMT -5
I pre-ordered yesterday AM for the late December shipment and my card was already charged the full amount. Thanks for the info. It's interesting, I don't recall them charging cards like this with other rollouts unless they had a unit ready to ship. +1. I agree. I don't recall them doing it either. On the contrary, I seem to remember them saying the exact opposite, that no card would be charged until their products actually shipped. And I even seem to recall them tipping their own hat for saying something to the tune of it making them more ethical. Perhaps they are desperate for some income? Dunno. But it appears to be yet another blind change of policy at Emotiva.
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Post by Geronimo on Nov 22, 2018 11:24:18 GMT -5
It is always possible that the parts just could not handle the new algorithm. Many are hoping for Dirac version 2. That did not exist (and may not exist in the wild) so when it is available the specs will be there. If it is a concern, then I recommend waiting for Dirac support before purchasing. - Rich Yes waiting has many positives ; Dan has said in the past that dirac is dependant on negotiations eg for the new XMC1 board he said " . We'll have enough DSP oomph to do Dirac at 96k on the new engine. Again, we've got to do some negotiating with Dirac on the business side of this, but we'll certainly do our best to make it available. Stand by for advice as we get it." Looks like some haven't read recent reports on the RMC1 with details on dirac from Emo pertaining to 96khz ..Sort of thing you rely on in the absence of the nitty gitty details from Emo hometheaterreview.com/highly-anticipated-emotiva-rmc-1-16-channel-preamp-ships-in-november/www.ravepubs.com/emotiva-deliver-flagship-rmc-1-16-channel-processor-november/Interesting....see what the Emo crew says about this.....I know they talked about it in the 192khz range..... Yeah, Dan said it right here at CES 2017. Skip to 1:20 I think these are the latest proclamations...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfFNpJHQTbcwww.youtube.com/watch?v=4PvftYLr3wk
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Post by musicfan on Nov 22, 2018 11:39:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. It's interesting, I don't recall them charging cards like this with other rollouts unless they had a unit ready to ship. +1. I agree. I don't recall them doing it either. On the contrary, I seem to remember them saying the exact opposite, that no card would be charged until their products actually shipped. And I even seem to recall them tipping their own hat for saying something to the tune of it making them more ethical. Perhaps they are desperate for some income? Dunno. But it appears to be yet another blind change of policy at Emotiva. and its a TERRIBLE business plan...all ID companies that have used it. have gone out of busniness cant rob peter to pay paul
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Post by cwt on Nov 22, 2018 12:55:24 GMT -5
Yes seen'both on the RMC1 page just reiterating the expansion modules dsp's dirac will emulate the main channels All the 192khz references are from earlier iterations like that CES 2017 show for better or worse . It may not help but other highly thought of auto room eq's like ARC also operate at 96KHZ and there would be few who criticise a trinnov altitude but the 16's room optimiser also operates with 24-bit/96kHz native processing according to av forums .. I hope it all lives up to expectations ; you know Ime 1/2 expecting someone to turn up and say ''where is the tact room eq that was promised " but that's another story that didn't come to pass for good reason
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Post by enricoclaudio on Nov 22, 2018 14:48:37 GMT -5
Dirac Live 2.0 Beta for NAD, Lexicon, Arcam and Audio Control operates at 48KHz so most likely it's a Dirac Live limitation and not a hardware limitation.
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Post by klinemj on Nov 22, 2018 16:07:29 GMT -5
Dirac Live 2.0 Beta for NAD, Lexicon, Arcam and Audio Control operates at 48KHz so most likely it's a Dirac Live limitation and not a hardware limitation. At Emofest, Lonnie was very clear that the hardware would be capable and what it ended up being was up to Dirac. Mark
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Post by deewan on Nov 22, 2018 22:25:23 GMT -5
and its a TERRIBLE business plan...all ID companies that have used it. have gone out of busniness cant rob peter to pay paul I think its pure speculation to say Emotiva needs the money... "robbing peter to pay paul". I would guess Emotiva is still doing fine from their profits based on other products like amps, pre-amps, speakers and accessories. I would guess Emotiva has A LOT of money invested in the developed of the RMC-1, but as we all know that investment was spread out over many years (too many for most of us). It isn't like all the bills for the development of the RMC just came due now and they need some cash to keep the lights on. I don't agree with the business practice of charging to be on a pre-order list for an item that won't ship for 7-8 weeks, but I do not think Emotiva is taking cash to keep the lights on per se. But that is my speculation.
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Post by henri on Nov 23, 2018 3:51:36 GMT -5
emotiva originally stated, that Auro-3D would be included as a separate purchasable add-on, but the product page doesn't mention it anymore. Does that mean, that Auro-3D is now (and for the future) is totally cancelled for rmc-1 PS: i'm interested in the Auro-3D upmixer(seeming to be the best) for my more than 12.000 tracks classical music library in stereo/5.0/5.1
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Post by sveb on Nov 23, 2018 5:09:18 GMT -5
Still on beta on my Nad M17 "v2" for Dirac 2. Dirac says probably in the end of the year, but still a couple of bugs. How is it? I have a bug but probably something with the Nad mic says Dirac. Very fast and good support there. I am looking for an Umic so hopefully I will try it after I buy that or the final version are finished. Others are quite satisfied with 2.0. (753v3 and M17 thread on other big forum).
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Post by cwt on Nov 23, 2018 7:00:54 GMT -5
emotiva originally stated, that Auro-3D would be included as a separate purchasable add-on, but the product page doesn't mention it anymore. Does that mean, that Auro-3D is now (and for the future) is totally cancelled for rmc-1 Dan at one stage was going to Paris to see about licensing it but nothing came of it due likely to the lack of auro 3d encoded movies , Another factor that doesn't look good for auro3d licensing is the dolby edict on using other licensed dsp's like auromatic ie I would suggest Harmans new version of the logic 7 immersion codec but dolby would deep six this due to being 3rd party licensing . Emo needs to resurrect there own proprietary mode ; [ and make Bonzo happy as a nice consequence ]
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 23, 2018 11:09:21 GMT -5
emotiva originally stated, that Auro-3D would be included as a separate purchasable add-on, but the product page doesn't mention it anymore. Does that mean, that Auro-3D is now (and for the future) is totally cancelled for rmc-1 PS: i'm interested in the Auro-3D upmixer(seeming to be the best) for my more than 12.000 tracks classical music library in stereo/5.0/5.1 Dan never promised Auro period. He did say he would look into the feasibility of it being an add-on but that was it.
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Post by deewan on Nov 23, 2018 11:11:24 GMT -5
rhale64, not sure if you've called yet to find out about your RMC-1. I just got off the phone with Emotiva. As always, very pleasant quick to provide an answer. This info is also for anyone else who ordered on Nov 15ht and has yet to get a shipping confirmation: According to Emotiva, they are having a problem with the chips, sounded like a supply problem. I was told my order would not ship until early next week. I know Emotiva isn't always the best at communicating, but this delay seems like something that could have easily been shared in an email to those offs who ordered and paid on the 15th and are waiting for a tracking number. Now that I know, I am not worried there is an issue with payment, shipping address or that I somehow was overlooked.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Nov 23, 2018 11:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Nov 23, 2018 12:02:23 GMT -5
Correct....
We never promised to do anything beyond "look into" Auro 3D.
The simple reality is that there is very little interest in Auro 3D here in the USA. (So, unless there is a major increase in that level of interest, we will probably not consider including it as an option.)
The new Dolby licensing restrictions are also destined to reduce the market penetration of Auro 3D into the US. Without going into the details, the new requirements essentially say that, from now onwards..... You may NOT use the Auro upmixer in conjunction with ANY Dolby Digital encoded content. You MAY NOT use the Auro upmixer with Dolby Atmos content... You MAY NOT use the Auro upmixer to synthesize height channels for Dolby Digital or Dolby TrueHD content... (Neither we, not any other Dolby licensee, are permitted to offer either of those options on any equipment we sell going forward.)
(In equipment that offers it, you may still use the Auro upmixer with stereo content, or content that originates as multi-channel PCM or multi-channel analog.)
emotiva originally stated, that Auro-3D would be included as a separate purchasable add-on, but the product page doesn't mention it anymore. Does that mean, that Auro-3D is now (and for the future) is totally cancelled for rmc-1 PS: i'm interested in the Auro-3D upmixer(seeming to be the best) for my more than 12.000 tracks classical music library in stereo/5.0/5.1 Dan never promised Auro period. He did say he would look into the feasibility of it being an add-on but that was it.
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Post by rhale64 on Nov 23, 2018 12:35:37 GMT -5
rhale64, not sure if you've called yet to find out about your RMC-1. I just got off the phone with Emotiva. As always, very pleasant quick to provide an answer. This info is also for anyone else who ordered on Nov 15ht and has yet to get a shipping confirmation: According to Emotiva, they are having a problem with the chips, sounded like a supply problem. I was told my order would not ship until early next week. I know Emotiva isn't always the best at communicating, but this delay seems like something that could have easily been shared in an email to those offs who ordered and paid on the 15th and are waiting for a tracking number. Now that I know, I am not worried there is an issue with payment, shipping address or that I somehow was overlooked. Yes I called first thing and they told me the same thing. Ship early next week probably Monday. But I didn't ask why the delay? So I thought they had these all made up already? And now wondering if they are waiting for the chips still? So this could be delayed still longer is my take on it. What if the chips don't come? I am actually a little more bummed now. I guess we will see. Deewan, thanks for the update though.
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Post by bolle on Nov 23, 2018 12:45:10 GMT -5
I think it was stated that the first RMC-1 batch is sitting in the office and waiting to be shipped? So either:
a) That statement wasn´t true b) The statement regarding the chips isn´t true
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Post by richb on Nov 23, 2018 12:57:55 GMT -5
The workaround for up-mixer restrictions is to send LPCM from the source.
- Rich
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