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Post by Cogito on Aug 10, 2018 21:01:09 GMT -5
I have long argued that music over the last couple decades or so all seems to sound the same, lacks originality and is rather lifeless. Seems I may have been quite correct.
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Post by sahmen on Aug 10, 2018 21:30:31 GMT -5
I think this guy would be a lot more credible if he was not overgeneralizing so much : he may have a point if his argument about homogenization, impoverishment, and bastardization of recording, performance, and distribution standards, was restricted in application to certain forms of mass produced pop music. However, to say that music as such, regardless of genre, or niche, is becoming impoverished is quite a stretch IMHO... Example: The conditions under which ECM artists produce and record their music are not the same as those of Brittany Spears, Katy Perry, or the Black Eyed Peas, not to mention those of EDM DJs in general. And yet ECM records are still producing music that is as "cutting edge," innovative, original, and modern as they come in their own way... Here's a random example of ECM recording artists performing music that was recorded in just the last decade. I am sure countless examples of such "different" but modern music can be found in many genres without much difficulty  How about this?: . or this? |
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Post by Loop 7 on Aug 10, 2018 22:53:48 GMT -5
I disagree wholeheartedly!
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Post by 26gary26 on Aug 10, 2018 22:55:26 GMT -5
Check out the group on "You Tube" called "Walk off the Earth". New concept to music very original.
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 11, 2018 2:27:55 GMT -5
^^^ What 26gary26 said! There are also some contemporary classical composers (mostly on Centaur Records) that are awesome. But despite these exceptions, the OP has some points. |
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Post by audiobill on Aug 11, 2018 4:22:06 GMT -5
Not everyone's cup, but there are many wonderful newer actual musicians in the world of jazz........
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Post by wilburthegoose on Aug 11, 2018 6:52:03 GMT -5
One of my favorite Tidal features is curated playlists. I've discovered TONS of new artists that get zero airplay on FM.
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Post by dasanto2 on Aug 11, 2018 7:08:43 GMT -5
, I’m not sure what you mean by modern music but there are many recent musicians that put out excellent work. It’s really a matter of being open minded about exploring outside your realm of comfort. There are studies out there that suggest people stop discovering new music when they are thirty. As audiopophiles I’d like to think we push that age limit a few years back but I suspect that’s not always the case, and what a loss that is. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/why-we-stop-discovering-new-music-around-age-30-2018-6 |
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 11, 2018 13:48:13 GMT -5
I have long argued that music over the last couple decades or so all seems to sound the same, lacks originality and is rather lifeless. Seems I may have been quite correct. And I "generally" agree with this entire video. It uses broad strokes to try and paint a large picture, but it's basically correct in the over all meaning of things. |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 11, 2018 15:26:33 GMT -5
I'd say that if I judged modern music solely by the artists they mention, I'd agree. But, I don't listen to those artists typically. In terms of newer artists/newer music, I listen to Alabama Shakes, Brandi Carlile, Glen Hansard, Florence and the Machine, Alice Merton, The Killers, Muse, Manchester Orchestra, and many more that I hear on XM's Spectrum and Alt Nation channels. And, a friend of mine's nephew is starting to hit it big with a throwback country rock sound. He puts on a good live show, too.
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Anyway, I think there's a lot of great newer music out there - both from new artists and older ones. But, if all you listen to that is "new" is Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, Hannah Montana or Miley Cyrus, and the like...well...yeah.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 11, 2018 19:45:28 GMT -5
I'd say that if I judged modern music solely by the artists they mention, I'd agree. But, I don't listen to those artists typically. In terms of newer artists/newer music, I listen to Alabama Shakes, Brandi Carlile, Glen Hansard, Florence and the Machine, Alice Merton, The Killers, Muse, Manchester Orchestra, and many more that I hear on XM's Spectrum and Alt Nation channels. And, a friend of mine's nephew is starting to hit it big with a throwback country rock sound. He puts on a good live show, too. Check out Alex here: Anyway, I think there's a lot of great newer music out there - both from new artists and older ones. But, if all you listen to that is "new" is Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, Hannah Montana or Miley Cyrus, and the like...well...yeah. Mark Agreed, the entire video is talking more about Pop and mainstream music. And I usually avoid it like the plague. But I think the video does capture the bigger picture. With everything going on these days, the younger generation just doesn't have time for only music, and it's suffering. In my mind, music is cyclical. We go through periods of this then that and then it circles back around. Last time we had a true trend for real honest rock music was grunge. Its due to change soon, hopefully. Unfortunatly, one type of music that I predict will become as scarce as an endangered species is classical. We got to the DPO 4 or 5 times a year, and the audience is dominated with old folks. Once those old folks are gone, classical will become a complete niche. But since I think music is cyclical, some day classical will be popular again. Just not in my life time. I basically can't stand modern so called Country Music either. Total rubbish. But there is one guy I'm digging the hell out of this year, and that's Chris Stapleton. I just hope he can keep it real and down to earth. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 11, 2018 19:52:38 GMT -5
, I’m not sure what you mean by modern music but there are many recent musicians that put out excellent work. It’s really a matter of being open minded about exploring outside your realm of comfort. There are studies out there that suggest people stop discovering new music when they are thirty. As audiopophiles I’d like to think we push that age limit a few years back but I suspect that’s not always the case, and what a loss that is. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/why-we-stop-discovering-new-music-around-age-30-2018-6I think that the OP is looking at the broader audience using statistics, not sociology. Whatever else we may or may not be on the Lounge, we definitely aren't average. I agree with you wholeheartedly that being open-minded about new music outside your "usual" is necessary to find interesting stuff. And although "studies suggest" that most stop discovering new music after 30, I'd once again point out that we Loungers definitely aren't "most." Yes, there IS a lot of legacy music on the "Playing Now" thread, but there's lots ( LOTS) of new and different stuff too. I find that even though my initial reaction to some music is negative, over the next few days, I'll find it stuck in my head & then to back to try it again. My "range" of music would probably be better if I subscribed to a streaming service, but my current music acquisition method (buying lots of strange CDs at yard sales) seems to work just as well. Since I live in a university town, I get everything - student pop, local bands, ethnic music, classical, and WTF? A few here on the Lounge are brave enough to buy my cast-offs, and I think (of course, I would) that they get GREAT value for their money. So ultimately, GO LOUNGE!!! Y'all are awesome. |
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Post by Cogito on Aug 11, 2018 19:56:48 GMT -5
Check out the group on "You Tube" called "Walk off the Earth". New concept to music very original. And you hear them on the radio all the time. |
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 11, 2018 20:02:38 GMT -5
I like the video you linked too. Nice. I'll check them out more. Here's some Chris Stapleton from Austin City Limits. |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 12, 2018 8:19:57 GMT -5
I have long argued that music over the last couple decades or so all seems to sound the same, lacks originality and is rather lifeless. Seems I may have been quite correct. You’re absolutely right, but In a lifetime, nobody with a broad taste for arts and entertainment could plow through the world library of Great music out there. And there is PLENTY of great new stuff but anyone thinking they could just flip the spoonfed radio on to hear it would be dreaming. Digging for gold is a worthwhile venture for sure. Bill |
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Post by DYohn on Aug 12, 2018 9:39:21 GMT -5
As do most articles saying something "sucks," that article sucks.
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Post by mauriceminor on Aug 12, 2018 10:37:46 GMT -5
As do most articles saying something "sucks," that article sucks.
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Post by Cogito on Aug 12, 2018 14:49:43 GMT -5
As do most articles saying something "sucks," that article sucks. But, did it? I mean, music sales in general are down, while the population continues to grow. |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 12, 2018 15:34:04 GMT -5
Agreed, the entire video is talking more about Pop and mainstream music. I did notice they were talking "pop". However, at the time the Beatles came out and even when Sgt. Pepper hit the scene, the Beatles (which is a key basis they cite) wasn't really what I would call "pop". It was considered "Rock"...very popular rock. But, rock nonetheless. There were plenty of "Justin Biebers" and "Miley Cyrus's" of the day back then also. And, their music sucked, too. And, let's not forget, we even had Leonard Nemoy and William Schiitner release music covering "pop" songs of the day. Yikes...that was bad! Mark |
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Post by tchaik on Aug 12, 2018 17:26:30 GMT -5
Agreed, the entire video is talking more about Pop and mainstream music. I did notice they were talking "pop". However, at the time the Beatles came out and even when Sgt. Pepper hit the scene, the Beatles (which is a key basis they cite) wasn't really what I would call "pop". It was considered "Rock"...very popular rock. But, rock nonetheless. There were plenty of "Justin Biebers" and "Miley Cyrus's" of the day back then also. And, their music sucked, too. And, let's not forget, we even had Leonard Nemoy and William Schiitner release music covering "pop" songs of the day. Yikes...that was bad! Mark are you kidding me? I would rate William Shatner's performances right up there with Paganini, Horowitz, Pavoratti, Yo Yo Ma and maybe even the Trashmen. (of the famed song 'surfing bird' )........  .............................not................................... tchaik................. |
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