Atmos Petition to Disney

[Gary Cook]

Why buy an XMC-1 Atmos board or an RMC-1 when this is becoming more of an issue.  We can do something about it.................

Another issue is that Disney is also pre-rendering it's Dolby Atmos tracks. Most Dolby Atmos tracks are dynamic and can work for a 5.1 system to a 9.1.6 system and beyond, the only limit is how many audio objects are playing. With Disney pre-rendering them at a 7.1.4 configuration, it kinda changes how the track works. This may be trivial in the long run as most people don't even have an Atmos setup at home. But this could be part of the problem or a larger problem in the future.

The petition itself;

To Disney, and whomever it may concern,
Please open up the EQ a little bit more and bring out the big hitting moments in your films on their home release formats. We don't care if we wake the neighbors because a good LFE impact or hit is well worth it. We enjoyed these films a lot in the theater and would like to recreate that experience to the best of our ability at home. We are fans of the films you distribute and produce, we only want the best experience possible when we watch your films.

www.change.org/p/walt-disney-improve-audio-dynamic-eq-lfe-bass-levels-in-disney-home-video-releases



Cheers
Gary

[lrobertson]

Signed it

[novisnick]

Done

[simpleman68]

Signed

[garbulky]

Oct 17, 2018 17:33:01 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Why buy an XMC-1 Atmos board or an RMC-1 when this is becoming more of an issue.  We can do something about it.................

Another issue is that Disney is also pre-rendering it's Dolby Atmos tracks. Most Dolby Atmos tracks are dynamic and can work for a 5.1 system to a 9.1.6 system and beyond, the only limit is how many audio objects are playing. With Disney pre-rendering them at a 7.1.4 configuration, it kinda changes how the track works. This may be trivial in the long run as most people don't even have an Atmos setup at home. But this could be part of the problem or a larger problem in the future.

The petition itself;

To Disney, and whomever it may concern,
Please open up the EQ a little bit more and bring out the big hitting moments in your films on their home release formats. We don't care if we wake the neighbors because a good LFE impact or hit is well worth it. We enjoyed these films a lot in the theater and would like to recreate that experience to the best of our ability at home. We are fans of the films you distribute and produce, we only want the best experience possible when we watch your films.

www.change.org/p/walt-disney-improve-audio-dynamic-eq-lfe-bass-levels-in-disney-home-video-releases



Cheers
Gary

What does eq and bringing up the big hitting moments have to do with atmos? Their idea of "dynamic" in the first paragraph is about dynamic positioning allowing the processor to switch between different speaker settings. The petitions idea of "dynamic" is referring to dynamics in volume.
For dynamics in volume, sounds like the petitioners need to invest in better equipment/room setup. I haven't had problems with volume or dynamics.

[405x5]

Oct 17, 2018 17:33:01 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Why buy an XMC-1 Atmos board or an RMC-1 when this is becoming more of an issue.  We can do something about it.................

Another issue is that Disney is also pre-rendering it's Dolby Atmos tracks. Most Dolby Atmos tracks are dynamic and can work for a 5.1 system to a 9.1.6 system and beyond, the only limit is how many audio objects are playing. With Disney pre-rendering them at a 7.1.4 configuration, it kinda changes how the track works. This may be trivial in the long run as most people don't even have an Atmos setup at home. But this could be part of the problem or a larger problem in the future.

The petition itself;

To Disney, and whomever it may concern,
Please open up the EQ a little bit more and bring out the big hitting moments in your films on their home release formats. We don't care if we wake the neighbors because a good LFE impact or hit is well worth it. We enjoyed these films a lot in the theater and would like to recreate that experience to the best of our ability at home. We are fans of the films you distribute and produce, we only want the best experience possible when we watch your films.

www.change.org/p/walt-disney-improve-audio-dynamic-eq-lfe-bass-levels-in-disney-home-video-releases



Cheers
Gary

Nothing in this sport EVER put more of a damper on the fun then the push for object based audio colliding with the original introduction of the XMC1.
I wish the whole thing would just go away.

Bill

[lrobertson]

You can write your own objections to Disney while signing. Or start a new change.org inquiry.

[emofrmcgy]

Signed and already tired of the slew of emails that followed.

[405x5]

Oct 18, 2018 12:33:18 GMT -5 lrobertson said:

You can write your own objections to Disney while signing. Or start a new change.org inquiry.

Nope 👎
Won’t sign that

[lrobertson]

Cool

[emofrmcgy]

Oct 18, 2018 12:10:35 GMT -5 405x5 said:

Oct 17, 2018 17:33:01 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Why buy an XMC-1 Atmos board or an RMC-1 when this is becoming more of an issue.  We can do something about it.................


The petition itself;
www.change.org/p/walt-disney-improve-audio-dynamic-eq-lfe-bass-levels-in-disney-home-video-releases



Cheers
Gary

Nothing in this sport EVER put more of a damper on the fun then the push for object based audio colliding with the original introduction of the XMC1.
I wish the whole thing would just go away.

Bill

It is... now they’re working on the xmc-2.

[Gary Cook]

Oct 18, 2018 11:51:32 GMT -5 garbulky said:

What does eq and bringing up the big hitting moments have to do with atmos? Their idea of "dynamic" in the first paragraph is about dynamic positioning allowing the processor to switch between different speaker settings. The petitions idea of "dynamic" is referring to dynamics in volume.
For dynamics in volume, sounds like the petitioners need to invest in better equipment/room setup. I haven't had problems with volume or dynamics.

For me signing the petition was more to do with consistent pinning to 7.1.4 rather than any consistent lack of dynamics. For sure there are some tracks that I find lacking in dynamic range, I'm not a fan of "elevator musac". I know I can just turn up the volume, there's plenty of watts there to do it. But then the "quiet bits" are no longer quiet, I like light and shade in sound and that means 20+ db of range.


Cheers
Gary

[garbulky]

Oct 18, 2018 17:05:56 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

Oct 18, 2018 11:51:32 GMT -5 garbulky said:

What does eq and bringing up the big hitting moments have to do with atmos? Their idea of "dynamic" in the first paragraph is about dynamic positioning allowing the processor to switch between different speaker settings. The petitions idea of "dynamic" is referring to dynamics in volume.
For dynamics in volume, sounds like the petitioners need to invest in better equipment/room setup. I haven't had problems with volume or dynamics.

For me signing the petition was more to do with consistent pinning to 7.1.4 rather than any consistent lack of dynamics.

Right but what I'm saying is the petition text doesn't say anything about the 7.1.4 in your post. It talks about volume dynamics. Unless I'm reading it wrong. I can't access the link to read the full text.

[lrobertson]

Yeah I wrote the concerns I had with pinned audio in the comment. But wouldn’t hurt to have a different inquiry that actually defined that as a large factor along with dynamics.

[Gary Cook]

Oct 18, 2018 17:24:18 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Oct 18, 2018 17:05:56 GMT -5 Gary Cook said:

For me signing the petition was more to do with consistent pinning to 7.1.4 rather than any consistent lack of dynamics.

Right but what I'm saying is the petition text doesn't say anything about the 7.1.4 in your post. It talks about volume dynamics. Unless I'm reading it wrong. I can't access the link to read the full text.

Of course you're right, if I had written the petition I would have written it differently, with more emphasis on the pinning. But this was the lead in for me "We enjoyed these films a lot in the theater and would like to recreate that experience to the best of our ability at home." It's not pinned in the cinema version so don't pin it in the HT version. If another petition pops up for pinning then I'll sign that one too

An after thought, I can understand the reasons for pinning (although I don't agree with them), but I have problems with understanding why anyone would suppress the dynamics. If it's too "quiet" we are going to turn it up anyway, so the "disturbing the neighbors" excuse doesn't wash.

Cheers
Gary

[dust770]

Signed this about a month ago and shared it on a large home theater group I’m a part of on Facebook. Got quite a few signatures in our group. Hope it helps, I should be reaching for my Disney/Marvel movies when I give HT demos. Never once have I even considered it. The sound on Black Panther was so dreadful I’m not sure if I’ll ever watch it again.