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Post by 405x5 on Oct 29, 2018 7:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by musicfan on Oct 29, 2018 8:39:53 GMT -5
do more research. it is not outdating atmos or surpassing it...it is another format that incorperates dts etc... so i guess because there is dolby vision you should throw out all the UHD tv's you really are a 100% atmos hater and poo poo on anything so it fits your narrative...very transparent. |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 29, 2018 10:13:01 GMT -5
On the one hand, competition is good, because it provides incentive for improvement. However, on the other hand, it also tends to mean you may have to buy more equipment, or replace your current equipment, or you might have to "optimize your system for one or the other". You may not remember the competition between VHS and Beta....
VHS beat out Beta, not based on technical superiority, but for other business-related reasons.... And CD-4 and SQ4 fought each other to the death.... but, sadly, like in an old Godzilla movie, they both sank into the waves locked together in a death grip  . (Only a few albums ever came out in four channel and, whichever one you had, half of the albums you wanted always seemed to only be available in the other one.)
In the current game, Atmos was a bit ahead on channel count, and has been winning on market share, so DTS was due for an update.... However, I suspect that Dolby may simply have too much of a lead to be surpassed for quite some time.
Just note that, at least so far, all they're specifically promising for the the new DTS/iMax deal is iMax remastered video, with HDR, and DTS-X audio, and some sort of overall "quality certification". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 10:41:24 GMT -5
On the one hand, competition is good, because it provides incentive for improvement.
However, on the other hand, it also tends to mean you may have to buy more equipment, or replace your current equipment, or you might have to "optimize your system for one or the other".
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Post by bootman on Oct 29, 2018 10:49:57 GMT -5
This honestly sounds like a THX type of certification for DTS X.
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Post by garbulky on Oct 29, 2018 10:50:31 GMT -5
This looks more like a THX certification than anything. It doesn't appear to be a new format or have anything to do with Dolby Atmos. Just a set of performance standards to reach. However note that all the IMAX certified displays are 4k HDR units. So I imagine that you can still play "IMAX enhanced" stuff on regular stuff. Just that according to IMAX you won't get the full "IMAX" experience. But there is a (sigh) IMAX certified Soundbar. So I'm not sure how "IMAX" this certification really is. This doesn't really make me think IMAX  |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 29, 2018 11:40:51 GMT -5
On the one hand, competition is good, because it provides incentive for improvement. However, on the other hand, it also tends to mean you may have to buy more equipment, or replace your current equipment, or you might have to "optimize your system for one or the other". You may not remember the competition between VHS and Beta....
VHS beat out Beta, not based on technical superiority, but for other business-related reasons.... And CD-4 and SQ4 fought each other to the death.... but, sadly, like in an old Godzilla movie, they both sank into the waves locked together in a death grip . (Only a few albums ever came out in four channel and, whichever one you had, half of the albums you wanted always seemed to only be available in the other one.)
In the current game, Atmos was a bit ahead on channel count, and has been winning on market share, so DTS was due for an update.... However, I suspect that Dolby may simply have too much of a lead to be surpassed for quite some time.
Just note that, at least so far, all they're specifically promising for the the new DTS/iMax deal is iMax remastered video, with HDR, and DTS-X audio, and some sort of overall "quality certification". The VHS and Beta war came right about the time I was first getting into AV. I recall that if you were an audiophile/enthusiast, Betamax held the promise of superiority in that department, with the audio running on the "flying head" along with the video. In the end, (obviously) VHS won out, mainly due to superior storage capacity and extended playback time. Whatever happens as "Enhanced" develops it will mean yet again, needing to provide a hardware update on a processor or replacement if somebody wants it. And of course, new encoded discs to replace your favorite movies...…….yet again. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Oct 29, 2018 11:42:46 GMT -5
Well, the Good News™ is that unlike the old Sony BETAMAX versus RCA VHS Video Tape wars which included a Physical Format component, here we're only talking about a Digital Encoding Format so, conceivably, a modern processor with enough capability could be given new Firmware to handle the new format ... if it gained enough Market Presence ...
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 29, 2018 11:50:56 GMT -5
Yep. If it is a new format, vs. just a certification, the real limiter will be source encoding adoption - far moreso than hardware capability to play it back.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 29, 2018 12:09:12 GMT -5
Yep. If it is a new format, vs. just a certification, the real limiter will be source encoding adoption - far moreso than hardware capability to play it back. Yes indeed...……..BOTH is what they are saying, however very little public info is out there particularly on the audio end. And...…..it would have to be. Simply a "certification" (like THX) did not fly well in the face of a slew of gear out there that is outstanding indeed, without carrying that certification. Bill |
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 29, 2018 12:40:51 GMT -5
From what I heard it’s just a 7.1.5 to match the 12 channel format in the imax theaters. Seems like just a way to retain the center height channel info albeit through phantom playback. So still 7.1.4 speaker placement like dts:x. I doubt you see it on content not mastered for imax theaters.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Oct 29, 2018 13:33:34 GMT -5
If you just wait on the sidelines waiting to jump in you may think you're ahead of the game, but you'll never be in the game since there's always something new around the corner.
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Post by DYohn on Oct 29, 2018 13:42:25 GMT -5
Although I do like experimenting with new formats and formulas when equipment I want to buy offers the capability (like Atmos) I stopped chasing the Next Big Thing (tm) many years ago. I'm still happy with my 10-year-old Sony XBR 1080p display, thanks, and have no plans to upgrade it unless it blows up and I do not make purchasing decisions based on audio formats. You kids who must have the latest, knock yourselves out!
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Post by musicfan on Oct 29, 2018 13:59:55 GMT -5
there has always been (since multi channel encoding has come about circa 1997) two formats DTS and DD. there is no "war"
this isnt betamax vs VHS (which was won not by tech specs...but which one was backed by the porn industry) ...this isnt HD DVD vs Blu-ray (which bluray won because it was backed by Disney and Sony etc)...
this is an encoding process. DTS uses same speaker layouts as ATMOS....this is like others have stated more of a certification
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Post by musicfan on Oct 29, 2018 14:01:45 GMT -5
Yep. If it is a new format, vs. just a certification, the real limiter will be source encoding adoption - far moreso than hardware capability to play it back. Yes indeed...……..BOTH is what they are saying, however very little public info is out there particularly on the audio end. And...…..it would have to be. Simply a "certification" (like THX) did not fly well in the face of a slew of gear out there that is outstanding indeed, without carrying that certification. Bill thats because the THX certification cost a ton of money just to have that slapped on the units....and had no real world value. |
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Post by garbulky on Oct 29, 2018 14:10:54 GMT -5
Yes indeed...……..BOTH is what they are saying, however very little public info is out there particularly on the audio end. And...…..it would have to be. Simply a "certification" (like THX) did not fly well in the face of a slew of gear out there that is outstanding indeed, without carrying that certification. Bill thats because the THX certification cost a ton of money just to have that slapped on the units....and had no real world value. In the same vein - I would hope that at the very least IMAX enhanced films are actually in IMAX. However I fail to see the difference between IMAX enhanced films and the many films that are already available for purchase that are in IMAX. Like this one  |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 29, 2018 14:40:14 GMT -5
Bear in mind that this "new thing" applies to both recordings and equipment. If you want the real details you should go read the website for yourself (it's still pretty short on details).
They seem to be promising to do new video conversions, using the latest algorithms, for the best possible picture and sound. I should also note that no current HDR display can actually deliver the full brightness level called for by the standard; ALL are limited. However, we might hope that they'll limit their certification to the best performing models. They also plan to include a "special iMax mode" - which is simply a preset for each device that selects "the best settings for iMax content" when the iMax flag is detected. Of course, as with any certification, part of the idea is to make your buying decision easier - by convincing you to buy their certified products. (There's nothing sinister about this - as long as they maintain their quality standards when selling certification.)
To quote their website: "Other than price, how do consumers objectively know which is best? Second, as content moves downstream from theatrical to home, how do you ensure an optimized viewing
experience that remains faithful to the filmmakers’ creative intent? The goal of IMAX Enhanced is to take the mystery and frustration out of the buying process to make it easier
for consumers to identify the highest-end content and consumer electronics products that will bring the most premium entertainment experience to your home. " |
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Post by pedrocols on Oct 29, 2018 14:50:15 GMT -5
So when it goes "boom" can you tell tye difference?🤔
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 29, 2018 15:36:49 GMT -5
So when it goes "boom" can you tell tye difference?🤔 As much difference as you can tell between the violinist in the 4th row farting and the celloist from the 2nd row flipping said violinist the bird during the solo of the of the flutist from the 6th row. |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 29, 2018 17:06:19 GMT -5
“you really are a 100% atmos hater and poo poo on anything so it fits your narrative...very transparent.” Not a chance of this Bill |
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