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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2018 16:17:34 GMT -5
I disagree Bill, in earnest I really JUST wanted to know what others are using. Cross my heart! ❤️ “Have performed lots of tests with power cables “ “As is always the case, audibility of the improvement is based on how well tuned your system is.” Craigl59, Could you elaborate for this thread on these two statements above. Particularly, what you mean By a “tuned” system as it relates to swapping power cables, and the first, what specifically were those tests? |
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Post by craigl59 on Nov 25, 2018 16:27:33 GMT -5
“Have performed lots of tests with power cables “ “As is always the case, audibility of the improvement is based on how well tuned your system is.” Craigl59, Could you elaborate for this thread on these two statements above. Particularly, what you mean By a “tuned” system as it relates to swapping power cables, and the first, what specifically were those tests? By a tuned system I mean one that has been adjusted for the room with appropriate treatments and frequency and impulse correction (I use REW through a convolution file to JRiver). This takes a while and makes more difference in overall sound than any one component does. Recently I have experimented with speaker cables and provided my results to Mark who is very knowledgeable and straightforward. Speaker cables can provide a much more dramatic improvement in your overall sound AND not in the frequency response, but, rather, damping and micro dynamics. They are also part of the tuning process. Tests were done over a four year period swapping back and forth individual cables with specific components and conditioners. Spent some time with this web on the cables used for my XPA-1s with novisinick and leonski and you are referred to that thread. Have regularly provided info on this website and received obnoxious responses questioning my accuracy and intent. Let's not do that here, OK? Everything I say is my opinion and experience and you are welcome to yours. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 25, 2018 16:33:25 GMT -5
I had PECO, my local electricity utility, run special cable into my home directly from our local nuclear power plant in Limerick, PA. Unfortunately, it's all underground here, so there was considerable expense, but it was worth it to be able to hear every minute detail from Batman Returns  |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2018 16:47:24 GMT -5
Not asking about speaker wiring, no not at all. Ok, at least I get your meaning regarding how you tune to your liking the overall sound of your system. Are you saying after all of that is done, you swap power cables and hear/measure differences? Seems to me we all tweak our systems to a sound that is “right” for us so, what makes what you do (respectfully) any different? Just trying to figure out what I’m missing here, and again....power cables on topic only not any other interconnects. Bill |
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Post by Jim on Nov 25, 2018 16:51:21 GMT -5
I had PECO, my local electricity utility, run special cable into my home directly from our local nuclear power plant in Limerick, PA. Unfortunately, it's all underground here, so there was considerable expense, but it was worth it to be able to hear every minute detail from Batman Returns Can you tell me about nuclear power for audio? Does it provide a crisper sound? Versus wind power that might be more wooshy for audio? I’ve heard old coal power is best for tubes. |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2018 16:52:51 GMT -5
I had PECO, my local electricity utility, run special cable into my home directly from our local nuclear power plant in Limerick, PA. Unfortunately, it's all underground here, so there was considerable expense, but it was worth it to be able to hear every minute detail from Batman Returns Hope your capacitors have been upgraded with lead shielding 🛡! Bill |
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Post by craigl59 on Nov 25, 2018 16:52:56 GMT -5
Not asking about speaker wiring, no not at all. Ok, at least I get your meaning regarding how you tune to your liking the overall sound of your system. Are you saying after all of that is done, you swap power cables and hear/measure differences? Seems to me we all tweak our systems to a sound that is “right” for us so, what makes what you do (respectfully) any different? Just trying to figure out what I’m missing here, and again....power cables on topic only not any other interconnects. Bill Gosh, Bill, even after being told not to be obnoxious, YOU DID IT ANYWAY. Nothing I said implies the negative statement you just made above and this website is the one I visit that does not remove these kind of personal comments. I am done with this site, and so, Bill, YOU WIN. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 25, 2018 16:53:37 GMT -5
I disagree Bill, in earnest I really JUST wanted to know what others are using. Cross my heart! ❤️ novisnick: Have performed lots of tests with power cables and prefer 15 amp Pangea (AC 14) for the power conditioners and components and 20 amp Pangea AC9 for amplifiers (reading off of a 20 amp Furman conditioner). As is always the case, audibility of the improvement is based on how well tuned your system is. Recently, replaced for a short while the cable to my conditioner (Furman 15 Elite) with the standard cable and was surprised at the change -- for the worse. Replaced the Pangea 14 immediately. For me the difference is in transparency and SN. It is clearly audible but not dramatic. And all depends on the electric feed and conditioners, of course. Any blind tests? In my experience the best sounding solution is always the most expensive solution that someone just bought.  |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2018 17:10:45 GMT -5
Not asking about speaker wiring, no not at all. Ok, at least I get your meaning regarding how you tune to your liking the overall sound of your system. Are you saying after all of that is done, you swap power cables and hear/measure differences? Seems to me we all tweak our systems to a sound that is “right” for us so, what makes what you do (respectfully) any different? Just trying to figure out what I’m missing here, and again....power cables on topic only not any other interconnects. Bill Gosh, Bill, even after being told not to be obnoxious, YOU DID IT ANYWAY. Nothing I said implies the negative statement you just made above and this website is the one I visit that does not remove these kind of personal comments. I am done with this site, and so, Bill, YOU WIN. So sorry, not trying to “win” anything at all. Only trying to figure out what I’m missing here! Can someone here list any “personal” remarks I made so I can apologize? I have asked meaningful questions and nothing more! Bill |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 25, 2018 17:11:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the questions on the nuke plant-supplied power. Fortunately, the nuclear reaction is only used to boil water. That said, there are trace isotopes that are transmitted on the lines, which can result in a number of troublesome outcomes, including glowing amplifiers, and amplifier hum. The NRC was concerned, but when I invited them to watch Batman Returns, they returned to Washington, DC satisfied that the rewards outweighed the risks..
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2018 17:17:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the questions on the nuke plant-supplied power. Fortunately, the nuclear reaction is only used to boil water. That said, there are trace isotopes that are transmitted on the lines, which can result in a number of troublesome outcomes, including glowing amplifiers, and amplifier hum. The NRC was concerned, but when I invited them to watch Batman Returns, they returned to Washington, DC satisfied that the rewards outweighed the risks.. My favorite thing about this topic is that it gives the “Today’s Humor” section a run for the Money! Bill |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 25, 2018 17:44:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the questions on the nuke plant-supplied power. Fortunately, the nuclear reaction is only used to boil water. That said, there are trace isotopes that are transmitted on the lines, which can result in a number of troublesome outcomes, including glowing amplifiers, and amplifier hum. The NRC was concerned, but when I invited them to watch Batman Returns, they returned to Washington, DC satisfied that the rewards outweighed the risks.. My favorite thing about this topic is that it gives the “Today’s Humor” section a run for the Money! Bill And stupidity. Russ |
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 25, 2018 18:58:15 GMT -5
A, B and C: 14 AWG Monoprice power cables. They are probably cheaper than many that came with the equipment but that way I can match the length to the distance from the component to the outlet, and also have a uniform look to them. No having to wrap up cables that are too long.
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 25, 2018 19:12:45 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, I looked up pricing on the Shunyata Sigma NR power cable. 1.75 meter $3,000  |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 25, 2018 20:05:33 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, I looked up pricing on the Shunyata Sigma NR power cable. 1.75 meter $3,000 Always....it’s fun to take one like yours as an IQ test! A shot of a piece of rubber with 3 wires wrapped inside for 3000 bucks..... Put up against interior design shots of the XMC1 (as an example) with all of its internal sophistication; the nerve center of a system and have someone tell you that plug will change the world. Of course the plug costs more than the processor. Bill |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 25, 2018 21:13:10 GMT -5
The only "functional" change I expected was simply to use "shielded everything" because all of the cables are piled up on top of each other. I absolutely did not listen before and after. I just did that prophylactically. So shielded power cables, balanced/shielded signal cables, etc.
Casey
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 25, 2018 21:28:50 GMT -5
Always....it’s fun to take one like yours as an IQ test! A shot of a piece of rubber with 3 wires wrapped inside for 3000 bucks..... Put up against interior design shots of the XMC1 (as an example) with all of its internal sophistication; the nerve center of a system and have someone tell you that plug will change the world. Of course the plug costs more than the processor. Agree 100% - the IQ test concept is a unique angle and a bit profound. |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 25, 2018 22:14:07 GMT -5
What power cables do you use for A) power amps ? B) source components ? C) preamp ? This is not a question of weather you think they improve your sound or not, I don’t want to stir that pot. Just curious what others here are using. Make and models for each if you can. For those that have a hard time following instructions, I’m reposting this. Make & model and for which component. I didn’t this it was a hard question. |
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Post by dsonyay on Nov 26, 2018 19:14:02 GMT -5
A) power amps: the cable included with the product B) source components: the cable included with the product C) preamp: the cable included with the product Same here. Maybe I'm missing out on something, but I hear no hum or any sort of interference. So, to me, everything is good. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Nov 26, 2018 19:16:26 GMT -5
I do tend to spend some money on interconnects, speaker and digital cables.
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