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Post by leonski on Dec 9, 2018 17:44:48 GMT -5
EMO is selling the PA-1 which is an ICE based solution. Unbeatable price, good performance and cool running. I think they use an ASC module, maybe 1 generation 'off' the current newest? emotiva.com/products/pa-1I'd have this in a HEARTBEAT over the similarly spec's OUTLAW mono. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 9, 2018 18:08:35 GMT -5
EMO is selling the PA-1 which is an ICE based solution. Unbeatable price, good performance and cool running. I think they use an ASC module, maybe 1 generation 'off' the current newest? emotiva.com/products/pa-1I'd have this in a HEARTBEAT over the similarly spec's OUTLAW mono. Why ? |
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Post by teaman on Dec 9, 2018 19:06:41 GMT -5
EMO is selling the PA-1 which is an ICE based solution. Unbeatable price, good performance and cool running. I think they use an ASC module, maybe 1 generation 'off' the current newest? emotiva.com/products/pa-1I'd have this in a HEARTBEAT over the similarly spec's OUTLAW mono. Why ? Not sure what Leonski's thoughts were on the Outlaw M2200 but I sold mine because I thought they sounded pretty thin. At loud listening levels they thinned right out, almost sound nasal and tinny. After comparing A/B to the UPA-2 or XPA-2 from Emotiva the Outlaw just couldn't hang. From what I hear the Outlaw monoblocks are outsourced from a Thai company and rebadged Outlaws, not really an Outlaw product. Tim |
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Post by teaman on Dec 9, 2018 19:16:42 GMT -5
have you heard some of the newer ice based D amps ? I know the ice chips have been around ( had ice power car amps years ago) and are now on their 4th or 5th generation or something like that. ive had lots of high power amps (over 200 rms) and I am trying to see if the newer stuff is as good as the older stuff. I have a rebuilt adcom gfa555 on the way and the wyred4sound st-500 coming. old fashioned a/b vs new class D. I will keep the one I like best OR sell both and try to get the best EMO amp I can that I feel comfy spending. between the 2 of those I have over $1k invested but not planning to keep both in first place. I know of two people from the Klipsch forum that bought the Wired 4 Sound amps and ended up selling them within six months. Neither buyer seemed content with what they offered sound wise. No idea from myself as I have never heard them. |
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Post by leonski on Dec 9, 2018 19:22:33 GMT -5
You guys hit on some of my reasons, above.
Outlaw is a 'rebrander' who can change factories.
In all fairness, when they changed factories of the RR2150, Stereophile (pretty critical) did a RETEST and found no appreciable differences.
Who knows who actually builds the M2200?
You'll have to read what people say about the M2200. Some like it, others make various complaints, like 'thin'. Some say the sonic character changes at high levels when
it 'changes class'........
Just my OPINION, but the EMO use of the B&O module at that price point is pretty cool. Just be ready for a balanced connection, which I think is easiest.
For the HT types? I think the possibility of distributing your amps to locations nearer your speakers is a terrific idea. Best of luck with the MILES of wire you're gonna need!
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Post by garbulky on Dec 9, 2018 19:45:01 GMT -5
have you heard some of the newer ice based D amps ? I know the ice chips have been around ( had ice power car amps years ago) and are now on their 4th or 5th generation or something like that. ive had lots of high power amps (over 200 rms) and I am trying to see if the newer stuff is as good as the older stuff. I have a rebuilt adcom gfa555 on the way and the wyred4sound st-500 coming. old fashioned a/b vs new class D. I will keep the one I like best OR sell both and try to get the best EMO amp I can that I feel comfy spending. between the 2 of those I have over $1k invested but not planning to keep both in first place. I've heard the Emotiva PA-1 which uses ICE AS300 modules. They are one of the best amps I've heard. They are my choice over the XPA-2 gen 3. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 9, 2018 20:14:34 GMT -5
Not sure what Leonski's thoughts were on the Outlaw M2200 but I sold mine because I thought they sounded pretty thin. At loud listening levels they thinned right out, almost sound nasal and tinny. After comparing A/B to the UPA-2 or XPA-2 from Emotiva the Outlaw just couldn't hang. From what I hear the Outlaw monoblocks are outsourced from a Thai company and rebadged Outlaws, not really an Outlaw product. Tim Thanks Tim. I'm not a huge fan of the Xpa amps either though. However thank you for your honest thoughts. The pa just doesn't bring the power I want for my mains or I would look at them. Maybe I should just stick with my Sds amps from Tom. cheers |
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Post by teaman on Dec 9, 2018 20:20:19 GMT -5
Not sure what Leonski's thoughts were on the Outlaw M2200 but I sold mine because I thought they sounded pretty thin. At loud listening levels they thinned right out, almost sound nasal and tinny. After comparing A/B to the UPA-2 or XPA-2 from Emotiva the Outlaw just couldn't hang. From what I hear the Outlaw monoblocks are outsourced from a Thai company and rebadged Outlaws, not really an Outlaw product. Tim Thanks Tim. I'm not a huge fan of the Xpa amps either though. However thank you for your honest thoughts. The pa just doesn't bring the power I want for my mains or I would look at them. Maybe I should just stick with my Sds amps from Tom. cheers If your budget allows go with Bryston amps. My advice to anyone shopping for amps actually. You will never need another amp. My pockets just aren't deep enough to allow me to do so. |
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 9, 2018 20:33:58 GMT -5
Thanks Tim. I'm not a huge fan of the Xpa amps either though. However thank you for your honest thoughts. The pa just doesn't bring the power I want for my mains or I would look at them. Maybe I should just stick with my Sds amps from Tom. cheers If your budget allows go with Bryston amps. My advice to anyone shopping for amps actually. You will never need another amp. My pockets just aren't deep enough to allow me to do so. +1. Best I've ever heard after Krell. Expensive, but cheaper than Krell, 20 year warranty, and built like a brick schiit house. Wish I could afford them too. |
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Post by chicagorspec on Dec 9, 2018 21:01:58 GMT -5
Thanks Tim. I'm not a huge fan of the Xpa amps either though. However thank you for your honest thoughts. The pa just doesn't bring the power I want for my mains or I would look at them. Maybe I should just stick with my Sds amps from Tom. cheers If your budget allows go with Bryston amps. My advice to anyone shopping for amps actually. You will never need another amp. My pockets just aren't deep enough to allow me to do so. That's the tradeoff of having 17 different systems in your house.  |
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Post by teaman on Dec 9, 2018 21:11:28 GMT -5
If your budget allows go with Bryston amps. My advice to anyone shopping for amps actually. You will never need another amp. My pockets just aren't deep enough to allow me to do so. That's the tradeoff of having 17 different systems in your house. Absolutely correct. If and when I decide to downsize my hoard I will more than likely sell off everything I have and go full Bryston. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 9, 2018 21:38:06 GMT -5
That's the tradeoff of having 17 different systems in your house. Absolutely correct. If and when I decide to downsize my hoard I will more than likely sell off everything I have and go full Bryston. Well..... if i were to remortgage my house and sell the rest of my toys maybe. |
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Post by teaman on Dec 9, 2018 21:51:00 GMT -5
Absolutely correct. If and when I decide to downsize my hoard I will more than likely sell off everything I have and go full Bryston. Well..... if i were to remortgage my house and sell the rest of my toys maybe. Or you can do like chicagorspec did and buy a Bryston from an original owner with receipt and transferable remainder of warranty. Get one of the amps that all other amps are compared to and get it at a discounted price. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 9, 2018 22:01:40 GMT -5
Well..... if i were to remortgage my house and sell the rest of my toys maybe. Or you can do like chicagorspec did and buy a Bryston from an original owner with receipt and transferable remainder of warranty. Get one of the amps that all other amps are compared to and get it at a discounted price. Maybe I should start brushing up on my dumb naming scheme now then. Never been able to decipher what the difference is between Sst St Stt And any other model names they have. |
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Post by brutiarti on Dec 9, 2018 22:16:07 GMT -5
For 2ch definitely Bryston is a big contender. I found emotiva very good but the long term reliability is a question mark for me, I had several products that went back to TN for service
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Post by chicagorspec on Dec 9, 2018 22:28:15 GMT -5
Or you can do like chicagorspec did and buy a Bryston from an original owner with receipt and transferable remainder of warranty. Get one of the amps that all other amps are compared to and get it at a discounted price. Maybe I should start brushing up on my dumb naming scheme now then. Never been able to decipher what the difference is between Sst St Stt And any other model names they have. Yeah, the naming scheme is always my first consideration when selecting equipment. |
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Post by teaman on Dec 9, 2018 22:33:35 GMT -5
For 2ch definitely Bryston is a big contender. I found emotiva very good but the long term reliability is a question mark for me, I had several products that went back to TN for service I have been very lucky, with all of the Emotiva gear I have owned only a broken platter in an ERC-2 has needed repair. I don't think any other Emotiva gear is in my future plans though, not a fan of the direction they are taking. Plus their prices are much more in line with the majority of their competitors now. |
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Post by leonski on Dec 9, 2018 23:06:39 GMT -5
Bryston names have followed a sequence.
It matters for the pre-loved equipment buyer, especially since the original stuff is both getting long in the tooth AND doesn't sound as good as later generations.
I'll bet Chicago's 28b 'Cubed' are awesome if given a chance to stretch their legs.
The 'Cubed' are the latest.
And be careful. I think only the AMPS have the 20 year transferrible warrant¥. Factory burn-in procedures weed out the Vast Majority of 'infant mortality' issues, so when YOU get your amp,
its gonna go the distance.
Sound has, by all accounts, improved over the years
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Post by klinemj on Dec 9, 2018 23:44:11 GMT -5
I was simply clearing up the confusion of what I was talking about. I understand the differences between the classes . I know H is not same as D .; what I meant was that they are more efficient than usual old fashioned AB . I have owned them all. I have had hundreds of car amps and now several dozen home audio amps.. i have had class AB and D and some other variations . I wasnt clear on the difference in the two I listed on the amazon link. its clear now . was curious on how the two sounded and which one people thought sounded better ...I know its subjective.
Lately there is a lot of developement in class D and people are saying its much better than it was a few years ago. I already am basically familiar with the classes I just didnt make it clear my question. I mispoke about the weight I really meant the efficiency was similar between D and H .. I have just purchased a Wyred 4 sound ST-500 mainly because I kept hearing how well the PA-1 D sounded. SO when I say the 2 XPA amps with different topology I wondered what the people thought was better sounding amp. that was the thing I was getting at.
I really just wanted to know the differences and what people liked better because I am moving away from old vintage and or pro audio amps . Id like to buy a good emotiva in future but want to make the best choice for the money. cant buy a new one that I would like so i have to look at earlier models .
because of this I ask to give me an idea if the changes have led to lesser quality or sound or reliability . I am not that familiar with all these models and generations of the same amps and the many levels emo produced.
I can't speak to the newest Emotiva Class D (PA-1) or the others on the market, but I do own a pair of Hypex nCore nc400-based monoblocks. The replaced a Gen 1 XPA-2, and I felt the sound was better...clearer, less harsh in the upper end for my Hypex. As for the new Gen 3 XPA-2 vs. the Gen 2...again, no data from me. But, the key driver to the weight differences is the new SMPS vs. the old style. Many have stated concerns about the new power supplies, but based on my experience with Hypex...SMPS to me is not inherently a reason to discount an amp or other product. They can sound just as good. Not all do, but...they can. Mark |
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Post by gentlejax on Dec 10, 2018 7:42:32 GMT -5
well lots of posts mow...
I have not heard a bad word about the W4S St-500 and it wasnt mentioned if the other owners were stereo or monoblock owners. but there is always that difference between systems and ears.
I guess I have no choice now but to test the W4S ST-500 vs the adcom GFA-555MKII later this week when I get them. I bought the 555 before I found the W4S. friend is all about class D got me thinking to try one out besides all the crown XLS stuff which I have had.
in the end same old story ..dont know till you try it.
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