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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 11:25:01 GMT -5
I don't come to this forum to be a fanboy or hater, but just discuss products or issues. I've NEVER been a bomb thrower- EVER. I think Emotive make good VALUE amps- cost to performance, quality, matched by few, if any.. Where they are going with processors is baffling. The UMC-1 was a total disaster, taking how many years to fix? I won't even get into the issues I have with the UMC-200. XMC-1 design was so appealing- modular, upgradeable with great audio performance. But if not for Dirac, the XMC-1 would not have made it b/c of it's multiple issues (my opinion). We all know HDMI is a pain in the,,, XMC went from $1999 to $2499 due to HDMI, now XMC-2 is $2999 with less flexibility & features. It has lost it's value for ME. Emotiva dropped the XMC-1 before having a replacement. Why they would have the RMC out before the new XMC is head scratching. If they choose to challenge the big boutique brands fine, but to abandon their once affordable, quality model with a year long gap,,,? Others are offering receivers with Dirac, modular, upgradeable and many more features for less $. I can use the XPA-5 and have the receiver do rear channels & Atmos with sufficient power at no extra cost and quality sound. No streaming ability, no universal remote; iis that a big deal- no, but it is less for more $. All XLR out, with no rca? Explain why Emo can't build a pre/pro with more feature than they presently offer without amplifiers and beef-up power supply for the price of a receiver? At $3000, they loss me.
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Post by garbulky on Apr 24, 2019 13:08:31 GMT -5
I don't come to this forum to be a fanboy or hater, but just discuss products or issues. I've NEVER been a bomb thrower- EVER. I think Emotive make good VALUE amps- cost to performance, quality, matched by few, if any.. Where they are going with processors is baffling. The UMC-1 was a total disaster, taking how many years to fix? I won't even get into the issues I have with the UMC-200. XMC-1 design was so appealing- modular, upgradeable with great audio performance. But if not for Dirac, the XMC-1 would not have made it b/c of it's multiple issues (my opinion). We all know HDMI is a pain in the,,, XMC went from $1999 to $2499 due to HDMI, now XMC-2 is $2999 with less flexibility & features. It has lost it's value for ME. Emotiva dropped the XMC-1 before having a replacement. Why they would have the RMC out before the new XMC is head scratching. If they choose to challenge the big boutique brands fine, but to abandon their once affordable, quality model with a year long gap,,,? Others are offering receivers with Dirac, modular, upgradeable and many more features for less $. I can use the XPA-5 and have the receiver do rear channels & Atmos with sufficient power at no extra cost and quality sound. No streaming ability, no universal remote; iis that a big deal- no, but it is less for more $. All XLR out, with no rca? Explain why Emo can't build a pre/pro with more feature than they presently offer without amplifiers and beef-up power supply for the price of a receiver? At $3000, they loss me. The XMC-1 was originally supposed to sell for something like $1500 or so. Granted it didn't have DIRAC and stuff at that time. If I had to guess a big part of this has to do with those 40% cards. With people still holding on to their 40% cards, Emotiva has to use them up. Then there;s the 25% upgrade for life program as well.
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Post by bootman on Apr 24, 2019 13:41:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 14:46:17 GMT -5
I don't come to this forum to be a fanboy or hater, but just discuss products or issues. I've NEVER been a bomb thrower- EVER. I think Emotive make good VALUE amps- cost to performance, quality, matched by few, if any.. Where they are going with processors is baffling. The UMC-1 was a total disaster, taking how many years to fix? I won't even get into the issues I have with the UMC-200. XMC-1 design was so appealing- modular, upgradeable with great audio performance. But if not for Dirac, the XMC-1 would not have made it b/c of it's multiple issues (my opinion). We all know HDMI is a pain in the,,, XMC went from $1999 to $2499 due to HDMI, now XMC-2 is $2999 with less flexibility & features. It has lost it's value for ME. Emotiva dropped the XMC-1 before having a replacement. Why they would have the RMC out before the new XMC is head scratching. If they choose to challenge the big boutique brands fine, but to abandon their once affordable, quality model with a year long gap,,,? Others are offering receivers with Dirac, modular, upgradeable and many more features for less $. I can use the XPA-5 and have the receiver do rear channels & Atmos with sufficient power at no extra cost and quality sound. No streaming ability, no universal remote; iis that a big deal- no, but it is less for more $. All XLR out, with no rca? Explain why Emo can't build a pre/pro with more feature than they presently offer without amplifiers and beef-up power supply for the price of a receiver? At $3000, they loss me. The XMC-1 was originally supposed to sell for something like $1500 or so. Granted it didn't have DIRAC and stuff at that time. If I had to guess a big part of this has to do with those 40% cards. With people still holding on to their 40% cards, Emotiva has to use them up. Then there;s the 25% upgrade for life program as well. Those 40% cards were cost of doing business to save their reputation, not my problem nor will I pay for it. From $1500 to $3000, that's one hellava increase. I wanted an Emo Pre/Pro matching the XPA in design & engineering specs. I'm not cheap, I'm value oriented, decisions to make.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 15:10:30 GMT -5
If Emo marketed a 5 (7).2.4 Pre/Pro with Dirac, network control & server streaming (no tuner) for $1500, they couldn't build them fast enough. PLUS sell gobs of BasX amps. XMC-2 @ $3k, they're losing thousands of buyers.
Edit- Add a 3x125wpc and 8x 80wpc to BasX
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Post by garbulky on Apr 24, 2019 15:40:17 GMT -5
The XMC-1 was originally supposed to sell for something like $1500 or so. Granted it didn't have DIRAC and stuff at that time. If I had to guess a big part of this has to do with those 40% cards. With people still holding on to their 40% cards, Emotiva has to use them up. Then there;s the 25% upgrade for life program as well. Those 40% cards were cost of doing business to save their reputation, not my problem nor will I pay for it. From $1500 to $3000, that's one hellava increase. I wanted an Emo Pre/Pro matching the XPA in design & engineering specs. I'm not cheap, I'm value oriented, decisions to make. Though there are a good amount of affordable avrs there appears to be few affordable processors - which to me makes little sense.
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Post by davidl81 on Apr 24, 2019 16:55:01 GMT -5
FWIW I use the Marantz app a good bit on my AV8802A, but I only use it for controlling zone 2. It’s fairly basic, but for what I want to do (selecting inputs and adjusting volumes on different zones) it’s works perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 17:24:58 GMT -5
I purchased the Integra receiver (not an Onkyo fan) just for zoning with network control via app from partio. Then started using it as pre/pro into XPA and found how little surround content the UMC-200 was decoding to the surrounds. It was if the UMC was 3.1 only- it's a night & day difference.. We live on the Partio for half the year & must be able to stream, adjust volume & tone remotely.
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 24, 2019 17:28:16 GMT -5
XMC-2 not what I expected or hoped for. I want more options, not less- at the very, very lease wifi control. A non-Emotiva pre/pro, receiver into standalone MiniDSP Dirac is now on my shopping list. I think most would consider the XMC-2 an upgrade over the XMC-1 (Bonzo’s comments notwithstanding). While WiFi might be desirable for some, I prefer hardwired connections wherever possible, though understand if you need that, then you must look elsewhere. You snuck this one in on me. 😁 Just seeing it now. You may be right, but it is most certainly not ALL upgrade. Its up and its down, forwards and backwards, more and less, all at the same time. And since its been said, or at least implied, that it will run off the same platform as the RMC-1, I'm not sure its an upgrade in that arena either. Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 24, 2019 19:26:24 GMT -5
I purchased the Integra receiver (not an Onkyo fan) just for zoning with network control via app from partio. Then started using it as pre/pro into XPA and found how little surround content the UMC-200 was decoding to the surrounds. It was if the UMC was 3.1 only- it's a night & day difference.. We live on the Partio for half the year & must be able to stream, adjust volume & tone remotely. We do similar, on the back verandah most days. For that I use zone 2, originally on the UMC-200 (which worked perfectly for me from day 1) and now the XMC-1 (which also works perfectly, yes, even after the 4K board upgrade). I use 2 channels of the XPA-5 for amplification together with KEF speakers. Music and other streaming audio is controlled by iPads/iPhones via an Apple TV4K. Small volume adjustments are controlled digitally, which means not much in the way of losses. Larger volume control, plus other functionality, is accomplished via a wifi infrared blaster to the XMC-1 using the iDevices. It’s simple and it works. Cheers Gary
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Post by overtheair on Apr 25, 2019 0:41:43 GMT -5
If Emo marketed a 5 (7).2.4 Pre/Pro with Dirac, network control & server streaming (no tuner) for $1500, they couldn't build them fast enough. PLUS sell gobs of BasX amps. XMC-2 @ $3k, they're losing thousands of buyers. I think there's a pretty good chance we'll see a 7.1.4 pre-pro with Dirac based on boards from RMC-1, RMC-1L, XMC-2 but perhaps not this year, given where we are currently. Maybe a CES 2020 announcement? Commercially the gap between the MC-700 at $700 and the XMC-2 at $3,000 is as you say just leaving money on the table. The market has many receiver options in that space for a reason, including a couple of NAD models with Dirac that can be used as pre-pros and also include high quality streaming service support. Perhaps more importantly many people don't have the budget for a $3K pre-pro just to get Atmos and/or just don't need the extra channels of the more expensive models. I see nothing in the cost structure of the components Emo uses, including the DACs and Griffin Lite chips used in the RMC-1, that would preclude such a product. Any extra R&D should be minimal since it would be a sub-set of the higher end models' capabilities. So in effect, no new software development, the same processor board, same HDMI board, and perhaps same pre-out board as the XMC-2 but only supporting 7.1.4 unbalanced plus option for balanced sub output. Virtually zero engineering risk on products that should be fully production proven by the time of launch. I guess time will tell.
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Post by cwt on Apr 25, 2019 2:57:52 GMT -5
If Emo marketed a 5 (7).2.4 Pre/Pro with Dirac, network control & server streaming (no tuner) for $1500, they couldn't build them fast enough. PLUS sell gobs of BasX amps. XMC-2 @ $3k, they're losing thousands of buyers. I see nothing in the cost structure of the components Emo uses, including the DACs and Griffin Lite chips used in the RMC-1, that would preclude such a product. Any extra R&D should be minimal since it would be a sub-set of the higher end models' capabilities. So in effect, no new software development, the same processor board, same HDMI board, and perhaps same pre-out board as the XMC-2 but only supporting 7.1.4 unbalanced plus option for balanced sub output. Virtually zero engineering risk on products that should be fully production proven by the time of launch. Precisely what Dan said at the last recent CES ; a range going down to around the 1k mark . With the XMC2 now getting more powerful chips for 9.1.6 a 7.1.4 [with maybe the older ADI falcon chipset ?] like many others have is possible. The upper level Emo's have dual differential circuitry ; not as cheap as the single ended of the opposition so don't mind paying for the privilege I cant wait to see what other features the XMC2 has as well ; its a bit hard to sort through the alternatives at the moment
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 30, 2019 21:40:30 GMT -5
Well, we now have an official picture ...
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Post by cwt on May 1, 2019 1:01:14 GMT -5
And is it me ; an optical illusion or is the volume control bigger than the last XMC2 mock up ? Maybe its the blue backlight
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Post by creimes on May 1, 2019 1:36:34 GMT -5
And is it me ; an optical illusion or is the volume control bigger than the last XMC2 mock up ? Maybe its the blue backlight Nothing wrong with a big knob, at least that's what the wife says
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 1, 2019 3:05:13 GMT -5
Well, we now have an official picture ... And is it me ; an optical illusion or is the volume control bigger than the last XMC2 mock up ? Maybe its the blue backlight Based on this picture, and assuming the OLED display is the same height, I’d say you’re right.
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Post by cwt on May 1, 2019 7:03:12 GMT -5
And is it me ; an optical illusion or is the volume control bigger than the last XMC2 mock up ? Maybe its the blue backlight Based on this picture, and assuming the OLED display is the same height, I’d say you’re right. View AttachmentMakes sense but confess I was looking at LC's picture . emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/975397/threadIts funny but when you turn a nice big double ganged potentiometer with friction it ups the pride quotient no end
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Post by noshortcuts on Sept 17, 2020 15:44:49 GMT -5
I hope people complaining about the pricing have actually heard an XMC. Because Emotiva XMC somehow creates much better sound (in my system), even before running DIRAC, than other high-end pre/pros that I've had. I can't complain about cost at all. But then, I care about sound the most.
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Post by megash0n on Sept 17, 2020 17:17:50 GMT -5
I hope people complaining about the pricing have actually heard an XMC. Because Emotiva XMC somehow creates much better sound (in my system), even before running DIRAC, than other high-end pre/pros that I've had. I can't complain about cost at all. But then, I care about sound the most. I never heard a single person complain about the cost versus the sound. It's more about product development and stability that people complain about.
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