|
|
Post by gus4emo on Jan 25, 2019 15:24:39 GMT -5
Hi all, has anyone heard any of these?
|
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Jan 25, 2019 16:53:46 GMT -5
Heard the ELAC several years ago at T.H.E. Newport (CA.)
Not enough to know if I could LIVE with 'em.
Last JBL experience was with 4311 studio monitor and the Rogersound Labs Excellent COPY.
Big ported 12" with the typical bass peak and only so-so extension.
So I'm NOT curren twith JBL, though I suspect I'd like some of the Vintage stuff which was very highly regarded.
|
|
|
|
Post by Loop 7 on Jan 25, 2019 17:00:37 GMT -5
I owned the B6 (version 1) and loved them.
The ELAC's need to be at least 1 foot away from the wall in my opinion.
I sold the B6 to get the ELAC Uni Fi.
|
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Jan 25, 2019 18:00:02 GMT -5
In any event, Gus, NOBODY can tell you what you like.
I Like Magnepan. Tells you ZIP except in general terms.
You must get out and listen for yourself. And consider the space in which they'll go.
Be careful with reviews and reviewers, too. IMO, you need to know a LOT about whoever you
are listening to. Some reviewers simply might not value what you value in 'good sound'.....
|
|
|
|
Post by geeqner on Jan 25, 2019 18:21:38 GMT -5
I owned the B6 (version 1) and loved them. The ELAC's need to be at least 1 foot away from the wall in my opinion. I sold the B6 to get the ELAC Uni Fi. Which Uni Fi model do you have? So far, I'm LUVIN' my UB-5 Bookshelves - they seem to play quite nicely with the XPS-2 Gen 3 (even if it's probably a bit of overkill for 'em) Got them on stands at about 24" to bottom of speaker, but have been contemplating raising them about another 6-inches or so (I think that the're still a bit to close to the furniture that's near them, and if space does not allow Horizontal space away from the walls, Vertical space may at least help a bit more) [Plus, maybe fill the stands with sand or lead shot - they're on spikes and pretty heavy, but a bit more weight will also help to safeguard them from the pups...] Only thing that the seem to lack is a little subtle help for some added low-end "grunt" - my Goldenear Forcefield is decent, but something "tighter" like REL would really do the trick IMHO. This setup really seems to work nicely and can play a balanced rendering at both low and high decibel levels depending on who's listening and the mood By themselves they seem to do a beautiful job of reproducing piano and strings - they were a marked improvement over the Polk 5-JR's that they replaced. If I ever upgrade my speakers - I am intrigued by the Goldenear Triton One or Triton Reference series for the Living Room (Know anybody who's tried those?) |
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Jan 26, 2019 1:33:05 GMT -5
PLEASE dont' use lead shot. It is both toxic AND a nightmare to properly dispose of, let alone handle in the first place.
Steel shot is almost as dense and much easier to handle. And I suspect quite a bit cheaper.
Would SAND work? Maybe. A dry and very FINE sand. NOT salty beach sand.
Just for example? #8 shot is about 0.09" in diameter and has 577 pieces per ounce, STEEL against 410 per ounce, LEAD.
I have experimented with a 'fill' AND additional expanding foam. Experiment first, just don't jump into it, but you can slightly
pressurize the tube or structure interior, increase stiffness and have similar effects to sheer 'mass'.......while imbedding your mass increase
in a matrix of expanding foam.
The GENERAL rule for tweeter height is 'seated ear height'.......I'd add that maybe +-2" would work and account for differing heights of listeners.
|
|
|
|
Post by Loop 7 on Jan 26, 2019 5:40:56 GMT -5
geeqner - UB5 Andrew Jones is certainly over-hyped in some circles but he is a remarkable designer and I get the impression he eats, sleeps and dreams speaker innovation. I actually liked the Debut B6 a little more than the UB5 because, to my ears, helped poorly recorded/mastered albums as they are a mellow speaker. The AV world, like other markets, is chock full of the worn out claims to "sound as good as products costing X times more" but, in the case of Andrew Jones designs, I think it's somewhat true. Oh, I even powered the UB5s with a 15 watt/channel tube amp and they sounded great.
|
|
|
|
Post by Loop 7 on Jan 26, 2019 5:45:07 GMT -5
Would SAND work? Maybe. A dry and very FINE sand. NOT salty beach sand. I use play sand sourced from a hardware store. It's been washed and is odorless. Plus, when I was looking, it was so much cheaper than shot. |
|
|
|
Post by gus4emo on Jan 26, 2019 11:57:47 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any of these?
|
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Jan 26, 2019 12:24:05 GMT -5
geeqner - UB5 Andrew Jones is certainly over-hyped in some circles but he is a remarkable designer and I get the impression he eats, sleeps and dreams speaker innovation. I actually liked the Debut B6 a little more than the UB5 because, to my ears, helped poorly recorded/mastered albums as they are a mellow speaker. The AV world, like other markets, is chock full of the worn out claims to "sound as good as products costing X times more" but, in the case of Andrew Jones designs, I think it's somewhat true. Oh, I even powered the UB5s with a 15 watt/channel tube amp and they sounded great. The 'it is worth 5x (or whatever multiplier) the cost' OR 'Sounds as good as stuff 5x more' is one of the enduring myths of hifi. If something were really equaled the performance of something much more pricey, you'd be PAYING that larger price. It's not about 'bargains' and 'sales' but Value, which is in the wallet and ears of the purchaser. |
|
|
|
Post by andyman on Jan 26, 2019 13:21:25 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any of these? Yes, I was looking at them also to replace my aging B&W 805 Matrix. Reviews are good, Check out the reviews on YouTube. Someone recommended the Klipsch RP600M instead of the Elacs so I’m not sure what I’m gonna do at this point but for the price of the Elacs it’s pretty impressive . Check out Buchardt also S30O & S400 I believe. Happy shopping . |
|
|
|
Post by teaman on Jan 26, 2019 15:52:46 GMT -5
Has anyone heard any of these? Yes, I was looking at them also to replace my aging B&W 805 Matrix. Reviews are good, Check out the reviews on YouTube. Someone recommended the Klipsch RP600M instead of the Elacs so I’m not sure what I’m gonna do at this point but for the price of the Elacs it’s pretty impressive . Check out Buchardt also S30O & S400 I believe. Happy shopping . You are looking at 87db efficiency with the Elac B6 and 96db efficiency with Klipsch RP-600. That means the Klipsch will play just as loud at half the volume of the Elac. I guess I will never understand people that want inefficient speakers. |
|
|
|
Post by andyman on Jan 26, 2019 17:00:54 GMT -5
Yes, I was looking at them also to replace my aging B&W 805 Matrix. Reviews are good, Check out the reviews on YouTube. Someone recommended the Klipsch RP600M instead of the Elacs so I’m not sure what I’m gonna do at this point but for the price of the Elacs it’s pretty impressive . Check out Buchardt also S30O & S400 I believe. Happy shopping . You are looking at 87db efficiency with the Elac B6 and 96db efficiency with Klipsch RP-600. That means the Klipsch will play just as loud at half the volume of the Elac. I guess I will never understand people that want inefficient speakers. |
|
|
|
Post by andyman on Jan 26, 2019 17:03:20 GMT -5
You are looking at 87db efficiency with the Elac B6 and 96db efficiency with Klipsch RP-600. That means the Klipsch will play just as loud at half the volume of the Elac. I guess I will never understand people that want inefficient speakers. Yeah , kinda leaning toward the Klipsch in that regard, but I am not familiar with this brand. I see you are well seasoned. |
|
|
|
Post by teaman on Jan 26, 2019 18:08:03 GMT -5
Yeah , kinda leaning toward the Klipsch in that regard, but I am not familiar with this brand. I see you are well seasoned. Yeah, I am pretty happy and loyal to Klipsch. They have a lot to offer for not a lot of money. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. I also have a friend that is an authorized dealer and can probably save you some money. Tim |
|
|
|
Post by andyman on Jan 26, 2019 19:40:12 GMT -5
Yeah , kinda leaning toward the Klipsch in that regard, but I am not familiar with this brand. I see you are well seasoned. Yeah, I am pretty happy and loyal to Klipsch. They have a lot to offer for not a lot of money. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. I also have a friend that is an authorized dealer and can probably save you some money. Tim Thanks Tim, I’m located just outside Toronto, appreciate the offer though. |
|
|
|
Post by leonski on Jan 27, 2019 2:08:52 GMT -5
You are looking at 87db efficiency with the Elac B6 and 96db efficiency with Klipsch RP-600. That means the Klipsch will play just as loud at half the volume of the Elac. I guess I will never understand people that want inefficient speakers. The reason I like what I like is that it sounds the most like music. Most of the Klipsch I hear, except for some OLDER stuff, tends to 'horn honk' under some conditions..... Too bad my Magnepans ARE very low sensitivity. The difference in sensitivity between 96db and 87db is close enough for me to say 10x the power needed for same level. 10db would be the 'perfect' number. The good news is that watts are inexpensive. The bad news is that for someone who likes low sensitivity speakers and is a HT guy? You're sunk. Those 96db Klipsch could theoretically cruise along with amps no more powerful than my 125x2 Parasound....and you could afford a bunch of 'em. for 7.x or whatever. The same for speakers 10db less sensitive? Call the electrician to drop another couple circuits while you are out renting a truck to bring home 500lb of new amp. |
|
|
|
Post by pressureworld on Jan 27, 2019 7:30:38 GMT -5
I also own the B6 (version 1) and loved them.
|
|
|
|
Post by pallpoul on Jan 27, 2019 9:43:20 GMT -5
Hi all, has anyone heard any of these? While, Like Tim, I am a Klipsch lover and own lots of their speakers, I would lean for the RP 600. However it all depends on what are you're going to use it for. HT? 2 Ch system? or PC audio? I have recently got a pair of Denton 80th anniversary pair, and TO MY EARS the are perfect for a PC desktop audio. |
|
|
|
Post by geeqner on Jan 28, 2019 21:21:48 GMT -5
You are looking at 87db efficiency with the Elac B6 and 96db efficiency with Klipsch RP-600. That means the Klipsch will play just as loud at half the volume of the Elac. I guess I will never understand people that want inefficient speakers. I can understand the allure of some inefficient speakers - efficiency isn’t EVERYTHING. Some well-designed speakers, like classic Polks, use Acoustical Suspension (tightly sealed enclosures with or without Passive Radiators) When the woofer moves, it compresses air inside, which tends to provide a Braking action on movement of the cone. Results = TIGHT, Controlled bass, but it takes a fair amount of Power to make it sing in harmony with the other drivers. If done well, they can sound incredible. But they usually require Lotsa’ Watts. On the other hand, my old Zenith Allegro 2000 were 2-way, bass reflex (ported enclosure carefully calculated to resonate in a way that reinforces the output of the Woofer). Very efficient and great Bass response at low power levels, but drive ‘em too hard, and they start to “ring” and bass gets out of control. For great 2-channel, the Watts needed to drive inefficient speakers are more affordable than for HT with LOTS of separate channels to drive. |
|
