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Post by millst on Apr 17, 2019 10:01:31 GMT -5
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There’s your feature table. Not sure why you would need more until something fully functional ships. |
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Post by tasdom on Apr 17, 2019 12:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by goozoo on Apr 17, 2019 15:46:45 GMT -5
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There’s your feature table. Not sure why you would need more until something fully functional ships.  Funny, but let's take a serious look. They are running their ATMOS theater with the RMC-1 and in the owners thread Lonnie and the team seem to have fixed both the audio and video issues to be released very soon. At that point, the RMC-1 will be out of beta mode and a fully fledged processor. In case others are wondering as to some of the other differences, the channel count makes up for some of the cost differences due to the royalties Emotiva has to pay Dolby. Also, you will get probably a higher grade of DAC and components in the RMC line versus the XMC-2 linup. That being said, I see the RMC-1L and XMC-2 being big hits with the RMC-1 eventually being discontinued unless something changes in the home cinema world and studios start producing movies in TRUE ATMOS utilizing all channels. Alternatively, perhaps Emotiva will make good on their original goal of having their own custom audio processing (much like Trinnov....don't hold your breath) and the RMC-1 will become relevant again. I just hope that they would get rid of that damn finicky dial on the RMC line and switch to a full VNC client controlled unit with a proper UI. |
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Post by davidl81 on Apr 17, 2019 16:17:06 GMT -5
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There’s your feature table. Not sure why you would need more until something fully functional ships. Funny, but let's take a serious look. They are running their ATMOS theater with the RMC-1 and in the owners thread Lonnie and the team seem to have fixed both the audio and video issues to be released very soon. At that point, the RMC-1 will be out of beta mode and a fully fledged processor. In case others are wondering as to some of the other differences, the channel count makes up for some of the cost differences due to the royalties Emotiva has to pay Dolby. Also, you will get probably a higher grade of DAC and components in the RMC line versus the XMC-2 linup. That being said, I see the RMC-1L and XMC-2 being big hits with the RMC-1 eventually being discontinued unless something changes in the home cinema world and studios start producing movies in TRUE ATMOS utilizing all channels. Alternatively, perhaps Emotiva will make good on their original goal of having their own custom audio processing (much like Trinnov....don't hold your breath) and the RMC-1 will become relevant again. I just hope that they would get rid of that damn finicky dial on the RMC line and switch to a full VNC client controlled unit with a proper UI. I doubt they would discontinue the RMC-1 and still make the RMC-1L since the units are identical inside, and the only difference being the case is bigger in the RMC-1 and it has spaces for expansion modules. Even if they sell 10 RMC-1L for every RMC-1 it's almost irrelevant since the only cost to Emotiva in keeping the RMC-1 around is buying the physical cases (and honestly although nice they can't be that expensive). The issue I see that MAY come up is if the RMC-1 does not sell that well how motivated will Emotiva be to spend the time and money on expansion modules. That's hard to answer as the modules will also be the key to selling the RMC-1 versus the RMC-1L, so I guess it could be kind of a chicken or the egg thing. |
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Post by lrobertson on Apr 17, 2019 16:20:18 GMT -5
The fact that DTS is coming out with DTS:X Pro which sole purpose is to expand channels past what’s been the norm should give the RMC-1 hope that that is the direction DTS and Dolby will eventually be moving. I assume of course Dolby will follow and DTS:X pro will be a large leap from 7.1.4 and not just a 9.1.6 baby step. The fact that unlike Dolby DTS will utilize their neural x in the process should create some peace of mind that more/most speakers won’t always be hibernating. That does bring up another factor though.. it hasn’t been confirmed the RMC-1 will receive the Pro version but we should assume it will.
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 17, 2019 16:54:14 GMT -5
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There’s your feature table. Not sure why you would need more until something fully functional ships. Funny, but let's take a serious look. They are running their ATMOS theater with the RMC-1 and in the owners thread Lonnie and the team seem to have fixed both the audio and video issues to be released very soon. At that point, the RMC-1 will be out of beta mode and a fully fledged processor. In case others are wondering as to some of the other differences, the channel count makes up for some of the cost differences due to the royalties Emotiva has to pay Dolby. Also, you will get probably a higher grade of DAC and components in the RMC line versus the XMC-2 linup. That being said, I see the RMC-1L and XMC-2 being big hits with the RMC-1 eventually being discontinued unless something changes in the home cinema world and studios start producing movies in TRUE ATMOS utilizing all channels. Alternatively, perhaps Emotiva will make good on their original goal of having their own custom audio processing (much like Trinnov....don't hold your breath) and the RMC-1 will become relevant again. I just hope that they would get rid of that damn finicky dial on the RMC line and switch to a full VNC client controlled unit with a proper UI. Ok let's be serious then. Which of these products can you purchase today and I do mean today literally. |
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Post by ttocs on Apr 17, 2019 17:14:56 GMT -5
RMC-1. Final answer.
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Post by goozoo on Apr 17, 2019 23:58:51 GMT -5
Funny, but let's take a serious look. They are running their ATMOS theater with the RMC-1 and in the owners thread Lonnie and the team seem to have fixed both the audio and video issues to be released very soon. At that point, the RMC-1 will be out of beta mode and a fully fledged processor. In case others are wondering as to some of the other differences, the channel count makes up for some of the cost differences due to the royalties Emotiva has to pay Dolby. Also, you will get probably a higher grade of DAC and components in the RMC line versus the XMC-2 linup. That being said, I see the RMC-1L and XMC-2 being big hits with the RMC-1 eventually being discontinued unless something changes in the home cinema world and studios start producing movies in TRUE ATMOS utilizing all channels. Alternatively, perhaps Emotiva will make good on their original goal of having their own custom audio processing (much like Trinnov....don't hold your breath) and the RMC-1 will become relevant again. I just hope that they would get rid of that damn finicky dial on the RMC line and switch to a full VNC client controlled unit with a proper UI. Ok let's be serious then. Which of these products can you purchase today and I do mean today literally. I’m sure that you can buy any of the three today...it may just be a few months before it ships out to you :-). I’m just being sarcastic. As a current RMC1 owner I know all too well the frustration and the urge to return the unit, but am cautiously optimistic with the next two firmware releases. Otherwise it’s going back. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 18, 2019 11:00:19 GMT -5
even thought the fundamental internal architecture is the same between the XMC-2 and the RMC-1L, and even though the XMC-1 does not have 12 out of 16 channels fully differential, and even though I don't have the set up on the surrounds to even take advantage of the other 12 channels being fully differential, and even though lonnie said I probably would never hear the difference if my surrounds were hooked up to an amp that was fully differential......... I still plan on buying the RMC-1L. why you ask? I absolutely love the looks of the RMC-1L and the fact that the front panel has 2 oled screens and the back RCA hardware is of the quality of the XSP-1. therefore I am just stupid enough to pay an xtra $1000 for nothing more than cosmetics and overall cache....... yup.... that's me.......... tchaik........... I'm right there with you. If I end up with an RMC-1L, I won't offer up any excuses/reasons as to why. I'll just refer everyone to your post! I agree. The cost difference has me leaning toward the RMC-1L. But if the XMC-2 has identical performance for 2 channels (music), I would be perfectly fine with the XMC-2. Unless watching movies sound noticeably better on the RMC-1L. |
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Post by jagman on Apr 18, 2019 11:53:34 GMT -5
I'm right there with you. If I end up with an RMC-1L, I won't offer up any excuses/reasons as to why. I'll just refer everyone to your post! I agree. The cost difference has me leaning toward the RMC-1L. But if the XMC-2 has identical performance for 2 channels (music), I would be perfectly fine with the XMC-2. Unless watching movies sound noticeably better on the RMC-1L. If one has 9.6 speakers and more than one sub, how would you handle the subs if you get the RMS-1L or XMC-2? One would think the RMC-1 with a 4 channel expansion unit would handle them well... but it's a lot more expensive than the other two and who knows when the the expansion units will be released. Then again the same is true for the two smaller processors. A MiniDSP 4x10 Pro would be awesome at handling to subs... it has a 96kHz sampling rate and it would sit nicely in a rack... plus it would allow for a HPF that Emotiva may or may not provide. The only downside is collectively all subs would be handled by one set of Dirac filters. |
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Post by ttocs on Apr 18, 2019 11:56:25 GMT -5
Anyone have some decent photos of the back panels for the XMC-2 and RMC-1L ?
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Post by Lsc on Apr 18, 2019 12:37:37 GMT -5
I agree. The cost difference has me leaning toward the RMC-1L. But if the XMC-2 has identical performance for 2 channels (music), I would be perfectly fine with the XMC-2. Unless watching movies sound noticeably better on the RMC-1L. If one has 9.6 speakers and more than one sub, how would you handle the subs if you get the RMS-1L or XMC-2? One would think the RMC-1 with a 4 channel expansion unit would handle them well... but it's a lot more expensive than the other two and who knows when the the expansion units will be released. Then again the same is true for the two smaller processors. A MiniDSP 4x10 Pro would be awesome at handling to subs... it has a 96kHz sampling rate and it would sit nicely in a rack... plus it would allow for a HPF that Emotiva may or may not provide. The only downside is collectively all subs would be handled by one set of Dirac filters. I would guess since the sub output is mono they could daisy chain the subs if the subs are so equipped. Or just get a splitter? I’m not too versed in the sub solutions as I only have one sub and am planning on adding at most 1 more sub. So my goal is to have 7.2.4 at the most. |
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Post by cwt on Apr 18, 2019 12:43:02 GMT -5
The fact that DTS is coming out with DTS:X Pro which sole purpose is to expand channels past what’s been the norm should give the RMC-1 hope that that is the direction DTS and Dolby will eventually be moving. I assume of course Dolby will follow and DTS:X pro will be a large leap from 7.1.4 and not just a 9.1.6 baby step. The fact that unlike Dolby DTS will utilize their neural x in the process should create some peace of mind that more/most speakers won’t always be hibernating. That does bring up another factor though.. it hasn’t been confirmed the RMC-1 will receive the Pro version but we should assume it will. Yes especially now Trinnov has made clear its dts pro update . With this codec I can forgive Emo their lack of a proprietary upmixer to an extent as neural x is there. That doesn't mean a pass though due to the silly dolby cross matching dictum  This is where Emo needs the dirac bass management module ;specifically Tier 1 the most comprehensive www.dirac.com/news/dirac-live-bass-management-ces2019 |
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Post by jagman on Apr 18, 2019 13:17:59 GMT -5
The fact that DTS is coming out with DTS:X Pro which sole purpose is to expand channels past what’s been the norm should give the RMC-1 hope that that is the direction DTS and Dolby will eventually be moving. I assume of course Dolby will follow and DTS:X pro will be a large leap from 7.1.4 and not just a 9.1.6 baby step. The fact that unlike Dolby DTS will utilize their neural x in the process should create some peace of mind that more/most speakers won’t always be hibernating. That does bring up another factor though.. it hasn’t been confirmed the RMC-1 will receive the Pro version but we should assume it will. Yes especially now Trinnov has made clear its dts pro update . With this codec I can forgive Emo their lack of a proprietary upmixer to an extent as neural x is there. That doesn't mean a pass though due to the silly dolby cross matching dictum This is where Emo needs the dirac bass management module ;specifically Tier 1 the most comprehensive www.dirac.com/news/dirac-live-bass-management-ces2019So the elegant option is get the RMC-1 now, use a MiniDSP for now to manage the subs, and hope that when Dirac 2.0 goes live it will include Dirac's bass management... and hopefully the expansion module will be available around then, too. A little risky given the unknowns but also the most potential upside. |
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Post by wnydel on Apr 18, 2019 15:08:17 GMT -5
Couple questions.
When will the T2+ be available? Any idea on pricing?
Is the new price on the T2’s a permanent price change?
I’m picking up the T2s very soon and I’m already thinking about the T2+ in the future.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 18, 2019 15:59:46 GMT -5
I agree. The cost difference has me leaning toward the RMC-1L. But if the XMC-2 has identical performance for 2 channels (music), I would be perfectly fine with the XMC-2. Unless watching movies sound noticeably better on the RMC-1L. If one has 9.6 speakers and more than one sub, how would you handle the subs if you get the RMS-1L or XMC-2? One would think the RMC-1 with a 4 channel expansion unit would handle them well... but it's a lot more expensive than the other two and who knows when the the expansion units will be released. Then again the same is true for the two smaller processors. A MiniDSP 4x10 Pro would be awesome at handling to subs... it has a 96kHz sampling rate and it would sit nicely in a rack... plus it would allow for a HPF that Emotiva may or may not provide. The only downside is collectively all subs would be handled by one set of Dirac filters. I did note with interest that Dan said that they were running the 4 x subs MONO in the demo room. Which indicates that one set of DIRAC filters was OK for them, in that location. Personally with DIRAC I’ve not found that individual subs tuning has been worth the effort, one of the numerous overrated audiophile things that sounds important in theory but in practise just consumes lots of time with no real audible benefit. Cheers Gary |
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Post by LuisV on Apr 21, 2019 8:03:07 GMT -5
Excellent news. Very excited to hear. How long will it take before the official announcement on the site? Will the brand new XMC-2 exchange come with 5 years warranty? What is the regular MSRP on XMC-2? Thank you in advance! There should be a formal announcement next week on the site. The brand new XMC-2 you receive will come with a fresh 5 year warranty The regular MSRP is $2,999. Will this be an upgrade path for a limited time or always available? |
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Post by cwt on Apr 22, 2019 6:32:52 GMT -5
Anyone have some decent photos of the back panels for the XMC-2 and RMC-1L ? Ime actually waiting for someone to use the correct name for the RMC2 as its not the RMC-1L .. If you watch Dans interview around the 2/44sec point you will see while 1L is on the placeholder card RMC2 is on the backplate This could take on a life of its own if left unchecked  |
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Post by novisnick on Apr 22, 2019 6:43:12 GMT -5
Anyone have some decent photos of the back panels for the XMC-2 and RMC-1L ? Ime actually waiting for someone to use the correct name for the RMC2 as its not the RMC-1L .. If you watch Dans interview around the 2/44sec point you will see while 1L is on the placeholder card RMC2 is on the backplate This could take on a life of its own if left unchecked Can I trade in my RMC-1 and add $650. To receive a new RMC-2? Bahahahahaha! |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 22, 2019 7:43:07 GMT -5
Ime actually waiting for someone to use the correct name for the RMC2 as its not the RMC-1L .. If you watch Dans interview around the 2/44sec point you will see while 1L is on the placeholder card RMC2 is on the backplate This could take on a life of its own if left unchecked Can I trade in my RMC-1 and addget back $650. To receive a new RMC-21L? Bahahahahaha!Fixed that for you. |
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