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Post by selind40 on May 3, 2019 12:13:41 GMT -5
Fairly new to the lounge but have noticed something which seems strange to me. Has it always been that used Emotiva amps are often posted for resale on here at more than what was the original selling price?? I bought a couple older Gen 1 amps off someone I knew at what we both thought were fair prices.....but recently saw amps that sold for $499.00 new being offered here used for $600.00. Does it just come down to a simple supply & demand thing that has the prices high?
At any rate it makes my purchases of an XPA-2 & XPA-3 seem like a possible smart move ( which is not normal for me) when it comes to buying used audio gear.  |
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Post by garbulky on May 3, 2019 12:33:06 GMT -5
The old gens were pretty solidly built and have a good reputation. Having said that, a lot of times the asking price is not what it is actually sold at. So if you think an amp costs too much, it probably does. I prefer the XPA-2 gen 2 over the gen 3 myself.
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Post by pedrocols on May 3, 2019 13:58:15 GMT -5
Yes they do sometimes go for more than I want to pay but ultimately it comes down to what you want or are willing to pay.
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Post by vcautokid on May 3, 2019 14:07:07 GMT -5
It is a special time when the product sells for more than when it was first made and sold. Usually very special gear is like this. The Emotiva XPA gen 1 and 2 prove that. Does that mean the Gen 3 ain't it? Absolutely not! It depends where you are on your requirements. The Gen 3 is about a smarter way of doing it. It depends whether you want that or the traditional way of doing amplifiers. Guess what? Either is great.
You makes your choices and pays your money.
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Post by davidl81 on May 3, 2019 14:32:22 GMT -5
A lot of it has to do with the overall increase in Emotiva prices in general over the past few years. XPA-2 were $699 at one time, and now the Gen 3 is $999. So when someone offers a used one for say $750, it still save s $250 on a new one.
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Post by teaman on May 3, 2019 14:37:54 GMT -5
I look at Emotiva amps as an investment. The longer I have them, the more they are worth.
UPA-5 amps selling for $600 and nearly ten years old makes the four year old XPA-5 worth that much more. I have sold every one of my amps for more than I have paid new. Since Emotiva has hiked the prices into the same price range as every other amp seller, the used Emotiva amps seem to be a bargain. I prefer the First Gen to the Second Gen, and I really won't even consider the Gen 3 at this point. Not knocking them as I have no hands on experience with them but to me the first two generations were built like tanks with quality components. I prefer the higher 32db of gain from the first Gen amps in all three XPA-1, XPA-2 and XPA-5 that I own.
Tim
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Post by tchaik on May 3, 2019 15:17:00 GMT -5
It is a special time when the product sells for more than when it was first made and sold. Usually very special gear is like this. The Emotiva XPA gen 1 and 2 prove that. Does that mean the Gen 3 ain't it? Absolutely not! It depends where you are on your requirements. The Gen 3 is about a smarter way of doing it. It depends whether you want that or the traditional way of doing amplifiers. Guess what? Either is great. You makes your choices and pays your money. just a little aside about the Gen 3 amps. I had a long conversation with lonnie about their SMPS vs the traditional toroidal transformer and banks of caps. In a nutshell, Lonnie worked over 2 years on the SMPS power supply looking for one way to lighten the weight of the amps and he is absolutely convinced it is cleaner, quiter, more stable, more powerful with less distortion and just plain better and better sounding than traditional power supplies. his explanations were not salesman hype, but a sincere belief that the Gen 3 amps are the best sounding amps they have made so far. what about those IM numbers Stereophile tested and found wanting you ask? lonnie told me that the earliest batch that came through had a part out of spec they were initially unaware of and when found they made the appropriate changes. The design was not out of spec, but what came from the supplier was. Dan/Lonnie offered to send Stereophile a replacement to review but the magazine said they were too backed up to take that on. c'est la vie............ Okay.... so why don't they use the same on their smaller amps you ask..... I was also told that the overall cost on the smaller amps is less with the traditional power supplies than with the SMPS which keeps the A-300 and A-150 in a targeted price range for them. On the forum I asked if anyone had compared directly with the same associated equipment the XPR-2 with the DR-2, both having comparable power specs but considerably different weights. lots had opinions but no one had done exactly as I requested. sometime in the next year I will be purchasing the DR-2 so I can make that comparison over time and I will share my conclusions at that time. btw... having spoken with lonnie many many times over the last 10 years, one thing you will discover is that he is no salesman. just a geek engineer who loves his craft, his designs and great audio. no spin here. tchaik |
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Post by selind40 on May 3, 2019 15:58:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the info everyone....so now I feel the need for later made Gen 3's....damn it |
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Post by mercury on May 3, 2019 22:59:45 GMT -5
This got me thinking...Was going to get the Schiit Vidar but instead will go for XPA-2 Gen3 and get to compare it with XPA-2 Gen1 in my other 2hannel setup.
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Post by garbulky on May 10, 2019 17:05:38 GMT -5
This got me thinking...Was going to get the Schiit Vidar but instead will go for XPA-2 Gen3 and get to compare it with XPA-2 Gen1 in my other 2hannel setup. I have listened to all three xpa-2 generations. I preferred the tone of the older generation. In fact me and B'zilla preferred the sound of the bas-x A-300 over that of the XPA-2 gen 3. Not that the XPA-2 gen 3 did have some positive qualities. Emotiva has never made a bad amp. Though some of their amps sound nicer to me than others. |
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Post by mercury on May 10, 2019 22:49:45 GMT -5
Thanks for that info. My original plan was to try the PA-1 but I’m not sure if it will be a good match for my KEF LS50.
Looking for an amp or integrated amp that will go well with the LS50 (for a 3rd setup just 2channel only).Other choice is the Schiit Ragnarok or Rouge Sphinx.
But a Pre/Power amp combo is my preference.
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Post by KeithL on May 11, 2019 0:57:55 GMT -5
Interesting..... I would say the opposite. I think PA-1's would be a great match for LS50's. When you say "pre/power amp combo", I'm not sure if you mean a preamp AND power amp, or an integrated amp (a unit that combines both). If you're looking for separates, something like our PT-100 and a pair of PA-1's would work well. If you're looking for an integrated unit then you should check out the TA-100. Either way, you'd have plenty of power for your LS50's,.. but neither would really be overkill. (Of course, if you've got the budget, an XSP-1 and an XPA-2 would work great too... but that might be a little over the top.) Thanks for that info. My original plan was to try the PA-1 but I’m not sure if it will be a good match for my KEF LS50. Looking for an amp or integrated amp that will go well with the LS50 (for a 3rd setup just 2channel only).Other choice is the Schiit Ragnarok or Rouge Sphinx. But a Pre/Power amp combo is my preference. |
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Post by vcautokid on May 11, 2019 6:59:17 GMT -5
2nd the PA-1 with LS-50. A very good listen ahead with that pairing.
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Post by mercury on May 12, 2019 1:26:07 GMT -5
Yes looking for separates, a preamp & poweramp combo or a good integrated amp with a balance/xlr source input, if possible.
I do have the PT-100 and mini-x-100a combo in another setup...and also an XSP-1 and XPA-2 both Gen1 in another 2.1 setup.
Now I’m considering the PA-1, this will probably be advantageous in terms of electric consumption/Bill because I tend to leave
my amps & preamps ON most of the time. Also getting a new preamp to partner with PA-1. Thanks for the suggestions!
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Post by highfihoney2 on May 12, 2019 17:48:04 GMT -5
I just watched an XPR-5 sell for $3,800 on eBay where the seller canceled his sale because another eBay member messaged him offering to pay $4,000 ,two weeks b for that I watched a pair of XPR-1s listed with a $3,000 starting bid and a $3,600 Buy it now ,the Monoblocks ended up selling for $4 grand and change , seeing that made me feel real good about leaving McIntosh amplifiers for the XPR reference line ,sadly I just heard on Audiogon that Emotiva is refusing to repair an Emotiva owners XPR-1s & he's resorted to posting threads asking techs for help,I certainly hope this is not true & will be posting a thread dedicated to getting to the bottom of this very serious issue .
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Post by brutiarti on May 12, 2019 18:24:02 GMT -5
I just watched an XPR-5 sell for $3,800 on eBay where the seller canceled his sale because another eBay member messaged him offering to pay $4,000 ,two weeks b for that I watched a pair of XPR-1s listed with a $3,000 starting bid and a $3,600 Buy it now ,the Monoblocks ended up selling for $4 grand and change , seeing that made me feel real good about leaving McIntosh amplifiers for the XPR reference line ,sadly I just heard on Audiogon that Emotiva is refusing to repair an Emotiva owners XPR-1s & he's resorted to posting threads asking techs for help,I certainly hope this is not true & will be posting a thread dedicated to getting to the bottom of this very serious issue . I had an XPR-1 that died under warranty. Getting it fixed was a PITA, got rid of them and got Bryston monos, the best decision ever made. |
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Post by teaman on May 12, 2019 18:54:29 GMT -5
I just watched an XPR-5 sell for $3,800 on eBay where the seller canceled his sale because another eBay member messaged him offering to pay $4,000 ,two weeks b for that I watched a pair of XPR-1s listed with a $3,000 starting bid and a $3,600 Buy it now ,the Monoblocks ended up selling for $4 grand and change , seeing that made me feel real good about leaving McIntosh amplifiers for the XPR reference line ,sadly I just heard on Audiogon that Emotiva is refusing to repair an Emotiva owners XPR-1s & he's resorted to posting threads asking techs for help,I certainly hope this is not true & will be posting a thread dedicated to getting to the bottom of this very serious issue . I had an XPR-1 that died under warranty. Getting it fixed was a PITA, got rid of them and got Bryston monos, the best decision ever made. That is my next step as well. Little by little I will be switching over to Bryston. |
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Post by highfihoney2 on May 12, 2019 19:27:29 GMT -5
I just watched an XPR-5 sell for $3,800 on eBay where the seller canceled his sale because another eBay member messaged him offering to pay $4,000 ,two weeks b for that I watched a pair of XPR-1s listed with a $3,000 starting bid and a $3,600 Buy it now ,the Monoblocks ended up selling for $4 grand and change , seeing that made me feel real good about leaving McIntosh amplifiers for the XPR reference line ,sadly I just heard on Audiogon that Emotiva is refusing to repair an Emotiva owners XPR-1s & he's resorted to posting threads asking techs for help,I certainly hope this is not true & will be posting a thread dedicated to getting to the bottom of this very serious issue . I had an XPR-1 that died under warranty. Getting it fixed was a PITA, got rid of them and got Bryston monos, the best decision ever made. Man oh man does that sound bad for me,I already own 4 McIntosh 1,200 watt Mc-1201s so I'm not gonna be screwed for lack of extreme wattage should Emotiva refuse to service the XPR-1s and 2s,it's an unmatched system issue with me,I bought the RSP-1 and RSP-2 preamps,I bought the XDA-1 and 2 along with the ERC-1 and 2,I've bought 7 of the EMX-2 and 3 of the EMX-7 units ,I have 2 pair of McIntosh line arrays triamped using 6 pairs of X series speaker cables ,all amps & sources connected using Emotiva XLR's,in both systems I'm running over 30 X series power cords ,I even bought Emotivas XLR splitters just to own them ,when I went with Emotiva it was a major decision in my life ,when I chose a manufacturers amps to build a system around I'm 110% all in with that manufacturer ,I waited 18 months on the promised Emotiva/Bob Carver tube gear line,I've invested years building 2 massive systems based on Emotivas amps and customer service ,money isn't the issue either,I wanted to get away from the ubber high end amp manufacturers like McIntosh & Krell I have a ton of because of dealer mark ups as high as 60% so I chose a manufacturers direct USA based company ,I wouldn't care if it took Emotivas service dept 2 months to repair my amps as long as Emotiva repaired them in house because I LOVE the amps,I'm depressed seriously. McIntosh amps will not drive the 2 pair of 4 ohm McIntosh XRT-28 & 29 line arrays with the same slam as my XPR's ,the only amps that will drive my 85 db line arrays aside from the XPR's are the Krell FPB-750's & I gave them to my son last year,nothing in Emotivas current line will drive my speakers ,I sure hope somebody from Emotiva chimes in & honors to repair the XPR line . |
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Post by brutiarti on May 12, 2019 20:25:37 GMT -5
I had an XPR-1 that died under warranty. Getting it fixed was a PITA, got rid of them and got Bryston monos, the best decision ever made. Man oh man does that sound bad for me,I already own 4 McIntosh 1,200 watt Mc-1201s so I'm not gonna be screwed for lack of extreme wattage should Emotiva refuse to service the XPR-1s and 2s,it's an unmatched system issue with me,I bought the RSP-1 and RSP-2 preamps,I bought the XDA-1 and 2 along with the ERC-1 and 2,I've bought 7 of the EMX-2 and 3 of the EMX-7 units ,I have 2 pair of McIntosh line arrays triamped using 6 pairs of X series speaker cables ,all amps & sources connected using Emotiva XLR's,in both systems I'm running over 30 X series power cords ,I even bought Emotivas XLR splitters just to own them ,when I went with Emotiva it was a major decision in my life ,when I chose a manufacturers amps to build a system around I'm 110% all in with that manufacturer ,I waited 18 months on the promised Emotiva/Bob Carver tube gear line,I've invested years building 2 massive systems based on Emotivas amps and customer service ,money isn't the issue either,I wanted to get away from the ubber high end amp manufacturers like McIntosh & Krell I have a ton of because of dealer mark ups as high as 60% so I chose a manufacturers direct USA based company ,I wouldn't care if it took Emotivas service dept 2 months to repair my amps as long as Emotiva repaired them in house because I LOVE the amps,I'm depressed seriously. McIntosh amps will not drive the 2 pair of 4 ohm McIntosh XRT-28 & 29 line arrays with the same slam as my XPR's ,the only amps that will drive my 85 db line arrays aside from the XPR's are the Krell FPB-750's & I gave them to my son last year,nothing in Emotivas current line will drive my speakers ,I sure hope somebody from Emotiva chimes in & honors to repair the XPR line . The sound of the xpr’s is amazig dont get me wrong, its more the lifespan. I got 2 cd players, one preamp, one amp and recently my airmotiv5(out of warranty) go bad. Never had a problem with schiit products (for some reason they look more reliable) |
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Post by chicagorspec on May 12, 2019 20:34:04 GMT -5
I just watched an XPR-5 sell for $3,800 on eBay where the seller canceled his sale because another eBay member messaged him offering to pay $4,000 ,two weeks b for that I watched a pair of XPR-1s listed with a $3,000 starting bid and a $3,600 Buy it now ,the Monoblocks ended up selling for $4 grand and change , seeing that made me feel real good about leaving McIntosh amplifiers for the XPR reference line ,sadly I just heard on Audiogon that Emotiva is refusing to repair an Emotiva owners XPR-1s & he's resorted to posting threads asking techs for help,I certainly hope this is not true & will be posting a thread dedicated to getting to the bottom of this very serious issue . I’ll be a monkey’s uncle if those alleged XPR sales completed at those prices. SMH |
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