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Post by novisnick on Jul 23, 2019 20:27:35 GMT -5
I think it's great. This would solve a few problems for me especially if I went with four subwoofers. I assue it works with more than one subwoofer (like if I bought 4 units?) Up to 4 subs! Go get them Garbulky!
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Post by PoloOle on Jul 24, 2019 0:42:44 GMT -5
What is the actual latency? I donāt see any specification mentioned.
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Post by vcautokid on Jul 24, 2019 4:03:39 GMT -5
Hmm latency. I would assume you recalibrate your system with this addition accounting for the latency??
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 24, 2019 6:46:21 GMT -5
Hmm latency. I would assume you recalibrate your system with this addition accounting for the latency?? If there was audible latency in these units (which I donāt know that there is) how would you compensate between the main (high passed) part of the channel, and the subwoofer outputs? |
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Post by geebo on Jul 24, 2019 6:48:51 GMT -5
Hmm latency. I would assume you recalibrate your system with this addition accounting for the latency?? If there was audible latency in these units (which I donāt know that there is) how would you compensate between the main (high passed) part of the channel, and the subwoofer outputs? Couldn't the distance settings be used. Delay the other channels, no? |
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Post by garbulky on Jul 24, 2019 6:50:34 GMT -5
I think it's great. This would solve a few problems for me especially if I went with four subwoofers. I assue it works with more than one subwoofer (like if I bought 4 units?) Up to 4 subs! Go get them Garbulky!
Four times the fun!šš¶š¶I was thinking four basx 8's or 10's. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 24, 2019 7:00:20 GMT -5
If there was audible latency in these units (which I donāt know that there is) how would you compensate between the main (high passed) part of the channel, and the subwoofer outputs? Couldn't the distance settings be used. Delay the other channels, no? Good point, but now theyāre going to have to specify something like āfor each millisecond of perceived delay, add 1 foot to you main speaker distanceā, it could get messy. Iām guessing any latency isnāt audible, wouldnāt it be similar to what Sonos does their wireless surround option, do they have any kind of latency compensation? Edit: Now that I think about it there are lots of wireless surround / sub options and I donāt think any of them have latency compensation, this seems to be much more specific and refined, Iām still guessing itās not a problem. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 24, 2019 7:15:17 GMT -5
Couldn't the distance settings be used. Delay the other channels, no? Good point, but now theyāre going to have to specify something like āfor each millisecond of perceived delay, add 1 foot to you main speaker distanceā, it could get messy. Iām guessing any latency isnāt audible, wouldnāt it be similar to what Sonos does their wireless surround option, do they have any kind of latency compensation? Edit: Now that I think about it there are lots of wireless surround / sub options and I donāt think any of them have latency compensation, this seems to be much more specific and refined, Iām still guessing itās not a problem. For manual setting of distances yes. But wouldn't Dirac treat it exactly like a distance setting when testing each channel? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 24, 2019 7:25:28 GMT -5
Good point, but now theyāre going to have to specify something like āfor each millisecond of perceived delay, add 1 foot to you main speaker distanceā, it could get messy. Iām guessing any latency isnāt audible, wouldnāt it be similar to what Sonos does their wireless surround option, do they have any kind of latency compensation? Edit: Now that I think about it there are lots of wireless surround / sub options and I donāt think any of them have latency compensation, this seems to be much more specific and refined, Iām still guessing itās not a problem. For manual setting of distances yes. But wouldn't Dirac treat it exactly like a distance setting when testing each channel? Well another good point, Dirac could probably compensate, though that limits the market. I donāt think garbulky has Dirac. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 24, 2019 7:41:43 GMT -5
For manual setting of distances yes. But wouldn't Dirac treat it exactly like a distance setting when testing each channel? Well another good point, Dirac could probably compensate, though that limits the market. I donāt think garbulky has Dirac. And I would expect something like REW could aid in that. I would think that a minuscule delay between the subs and main speakers would be less important than having good timing between multiple subs which should not be a problem with this device. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Jul 24, 2019 9:27:23 GMT -5
So is it analog in and analog out or is it digital in and digital out? If all digital, the sub would have to have a built in D/A or an outboard D/A, and the receiver a digital out. If the ins and outs are analog, why the 24 bit digital system statement because who cares? I'm sure it's all analog ins and outs, otherwise no Emo sub would work with it. So why the digital blather?
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Post by novisnick on Jul 24, 2019 9:32:28 GMT -5
Up to 4 subs! Go get them Garbulky!
Four times the fun!šš¶š¶I was thinking four basx 8's or 10's. From what I know of your room, 4 of either size would be most superior to 2 larger subs. Better null control. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 24, 2019 10:54:56 GMT -5
So is it analog in and analog out or is it digital in and digital out? If all digital, the sub would have to have a built in D/A or an outboard D/A, and the receiver a digital out. If the ins and outs are analog, why the 24 bit digital system statement because who cares? I'm sure it's all analog ins and outs, otherwise no Emo sub would work with it. So why the digital blather? Analog in, analog out, digital between transmitter and receiver. |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 24, 2019 11:20:03 GMT -5
re: latency. Install the wireless IC before calibrating the system and let the pre/pro's setup routine take care of it for you. My comment was based on wondering about latency between two units if you implement more than one transmitter. From a typical pre/pro's single channel of LFE output, differences between units this could create overhang between two subwoofer systems.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 24, 2019 11:29:55 GMT -5
re: latency. Install the wireless IC before calibrating the system and let the pre/pro's setup routine take care of it for you. My comment was based on wondering about latency between two units if you implement more than one transmitter. From a typical pre/pro's single channel of LFE output, differences between units this could create overhang between two subwoofer systems. I'll continue to use garbulky as an example, I believe he's using a DC-1 as the center of his system, so no 'setup' routine. We now know his 'ultimate plan' includes 'stereo surround bass', I assume one sub in each of four corners, two on the left, two on the right (do I have this correct so far Gar?). I think that would mean two transmitters (L/R) each sending to two receivers (Front / Rear for each channel). That would seem a good test of whether the system can handle a relatively complex situation without latency and give good fidelity. |
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Post by garbulky on Jul 24, 2019 11:32:34 GMT -5
re: latency. Install the wireless IC before calibrating the system and let the pre/pro's setup routine take care of it for you. My comment was based on wondering about latency between two units if you implement more than one transmitter. From a typical pre/pro's single channel of LFE output, differences between units this could create overhang between two subwoofer systems. I'll continue to use garbulky as an example, I believe he's using a DC-1 as the center of his system, so no 'setup' routine. We now know his 'ultimate plan' includes 'stereo surround bass', I assume one sub in each of four corners, two on the left, two on the right (do I have this correct so far Gar?). I think that would mean two transmitters (L/R) each sending to two receivers (Front / Rear for each channel). That would seem a good test of whether the system can handle a relatively complex situation without latency and give good fidelity. Yes that's exactly my planned use for it! |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 24, 2019 12:02:27 GMT -5
He should be using a preamp, but that's none of my business.  In any case, if there is no facility to adjust delay then that setup is likely to be problematic and if it works well, he's lucky (phase control on sub amps can get him most of the way there with the right measuring tool) |
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Post by garbulky on Jul 24, 2019 12:56:18 GMT -5
He should be using a preamp, but that's none of my business. In any case, if there is no facility to adjust delay then that setup is likely to be problematic and if it works well, he's lucky (phase control on sub amps can get him most of the way there with the right measuring tool) The DC-1 has so far been the clearest analog preamp I've heard but I am open to exploring other options. I suspect I will have to when i eventually get an Ygdrassil. One thing the DC-1 doesn't do is bass management though. My plan is to use an RCA splitter on the RCA outputs to output the bass full range to the sub. Then I'll attempt to come in from the bottom using bass controls on the sub. |
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