cawgijoe
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 24, 2020 11:32:49 GMT -5
This is the place for dumb questions and I probably already know the answer, but I'm going to put it out.
I have Thiel CS1.6 speakers up front with black grill cloth. I have a Thiel SCS3 center channel with black grill cloth. They all match.
I just purchased a used Thiel SCS4 to use as the center channel....always wondered if the sound would be better, could not pass on the great used price.
The SCS4 has a perforated metal grill that allows you to see the driver. It looks fine, but in this case won't match the front speakers. I was thinking about
covering that metal grill with black speaker grill cloth. How badly would that affect the sound? Is this just a stupid idea?
In the end I probably won't do it, but just wondering.
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Post by leonski on Mar 2, 2020 15:20:51 GMT -5
Only ONE way to tell and that's try it. In reading speaker reviews over the years, I've heard it 'both ways'. Some reviewers remove grills and others insist on leaving them on.
Whoever built the speaker SHOULD voice the speaker in the intended mode of use.
Anyway to build a FRAME and stretch some cloth? Remove the metal grill altogether?
Just an idea.
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 2, 2020 15:25:13 GMT -5
It’s a Thiel SCS4 and I think I’m just going to leave it alone. You can see the driver through the metal grill and I’ve gotten used to it.
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 2, 2020 16:35:23 GMT -5
This is the place for dumb questions and I probably already know the answer, but I'm going to put it out. I have Thiel CS1.6 speakers up front with black grill cloth. I have a Thiel SCS3 center channel with black grill cloth. They all match. I just purchased a used Thiel SCS4 to use as the center channel....always wondered if the sound would be better, could not pass on the great used price. The SCS4 has a perforated metal grill that allows you to see the driver. It looks fine, but in this case won't match the front speakers. I was thinking about covering that metal grill with black speaker grill cloth. How badly would that affect the sound? Is this just a stupid idea? In the end I probably won't do it, but just wondering. Typical speaker cloth or grilles with large enough perforation to allow plenty of air flow have little effect (or any) on performance in most cases. I've got BOTH like your suggesting on my systems. The individual drivers have their own metal protective screen covers. The woofers have ABS type plastic rather than metal individual round covers and then there is a rubber pegged frame on top of everything with cloth stretched over. On or off, I can't detect a sonic difference, but the drivers stay looking like brand new. Bill |
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Post by IronPigsDigs on Mar 2, 2020 18:24:47 GMT -5
This is the place for dumb questions and I probably already know the answer, but I'm going to put it out. I have Thiel CS1.6 speakers up front with black grill cloth. I have a Thiel SCS3 center channel with black grill cloth. They all match. I just purchased a used Thiel SCS4 to use as the center channel....always wondered if the sound would be better, could not pass on the great used price. The SCS4 has a perforated metal grill that allows you to see the driver. It looks fine, but in this case won't match the front speakers. I was thinking about covering that metal grill with black speaker grill cloth. How badly would that affect the sound? Is this just a stupid idea? In the end I probably won't do it, but just wondering. Typical speaker cloth or grilles with large enough perforation to allow plenty of air flow have little effect (or any) on performance in most cases. I've got BOTH like your suggesting on my systems. The individual drivers have their own metal protective screen covers. The woofers have ABS type plastic rather than metal individual round covers and then there is a rubber pegged frame on top of everything with cloth stretched over. On or off, I can't detect a sonic difference, but the drivers stay looking like brand new. Bill I'm looking to cover the woofer on Airmotiv 6s. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, BILL |
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Post by simpleman68 on Mar 2, 2020 18:39:40 GMT -5
Last year while speaking with Bill Dudleston at Legacy, he told me that if you must have a speaker "cover" be sure you can read a newspaper through it.
He held up some of their speaker fabric about 1' from our eyes and looked at a newspaper laying on a table and it was clearly legible.
Scott
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 2, 2020 20:39:21 GMT -5
Typical speaker cloth or grilles with large enough perforation to allow plenty of air flow have little effect (or any) on performance in most cases. I've got BOTH like your suggesting on my systems. The individual drivers have their own metal protective screen covers. The woofers have ABS type plastic rather than metal individual round covers and then there is a rubber pegged frame on top of everything with cloth stretched over. On or off, I can't detect a sonic difference, but the drivers stay looking like brand new. Bill I'm looking to cover the woofer on Airmotiv 6s. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, BILL Shouldn’t be too hard to come up with somebody that could fashion a frame that will fit that front shape and Velcro attach (no drilling). I would cover the whole face including the ribbon. Bill |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 11:53:42 GMT -5
Use a grill for driver protection from "accidents" and dirt/dust; when I do serious listening the grills are removed.
This past weekend, I removed the T2 grills and the sound 'radiated' to the sides better.
The Monitor Audio tweeters came with a copper metal cover that was removed shortly after buying them and have never been replaced. M.A.'s newer models did not have them.
My JBLs came with those funky blue & orange grills and were always removed.
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 3, 2020 17:25:51 GMT -5
Use a grill for driver protection from "accidents" and dirt/dust; when I do serious listening the grills are removed. This past weekend, I removed the T2 grills and the sound 'radiated' to the sides better. The Monitor Audio tweeters came with a copper metal cover that was removed shortly after buying them and have never been replaced. M.A.'s newer models did not have them. My JBLs came with those funky blue & orange grills and were always removed. Yes! I’ve seen it happen where the dispersion characteristics of the drivers were ignored by whoever made up the frames. That’s where the problem lies....not the cloth itself so long as it’s airy enough. Bill |
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