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Post by skippy1977 on Mar 22, 2020 11:36:12 GMT -5
I'm totally happy with my XMC-1 but was wondering if Dirac Live 2 be an available upgrade for the XMC-1? Thanks!
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Post by cwt on Mar 22, 2020 12:43:51 GMT -5
I'm totally happy with my XMC-1 but was wondering if Dirac Live 2 be an available upgrade for the XMC-1? Thanks! 2 reasons why this wont happen imo ; it didnt receive it when other makes like NAD and Arcam received it more than a year ago and 2. dirac 2 has been developed for the current Analogue devices dsp circuitry and the XMC1 had MDS [TI] processing which would complicate development even more than what Emo was expecting for incorporation. Its hard to envisage as well the new added dirac module meshing with the onboard solution of the XMC1 let alone any dirac sub bass module that would be incompatible with the 2 different bass management systems on the old and new .. |
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Post by millst on Mar 22, 2020 13:21:35 GMT -5
No
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Post by skippy1977 on Mar 22, 2020 14:38:13 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses. Somewhat disappointing that an "upgradeable" processor which the XMC-1 is supposed to be is not. Oh well.
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 22, 2020 15:01:52 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses. Somewhat disappointing that an "upgradeable" processor which the XMC-1 is supposed to be is not. Oh well. The upgrade is the xmc-2 trade in program |
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Post by megash0n on Mar 22, 2020 15:37:36 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses. Somewhat disappointing that an "upgradeable" processor which the XMC-1 is supposed to be is not. Oh well. It has been released for over 6 years. I think, if they didn't offer such a good deal of the trade in, I would be a little more inclined to agree. They have released a handful of upgrades for that processor. Far more than Marantz did. It my Marantz 8002 could have an upgraded board to do UHD and Immersive sound, I'd still be running it today even though the RMC sounds so much better. I'm thankful the units are upgradeable at all. |
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Post by skippy1977 on Mar 23, 2020 17:00:03 GMT -5
Thanks for your responses. Somewhat disappointing that an "upgradeable" processor which the XMC-1 is supposed to be is not. Oh well. The upgrade is the xmc-2 trade in program I don't consider spending $1050 to upgrade to the XMC-2 as an "upgrade". I'm happy with the XMC-1 and have no desire to buy the XMC-2. All I'm interested in is upgrading to Dirac Live 2. Plus at this time Dirac isn't an option on the XMC-2. If I recall when the XMC-1 was released it was billed as "the last processor you'll ever need" (or something to that effect) due to it being upgradeable. |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 23, 2020 19:37:46 GMT -5
As far as we know it will not. Dirac Live for Emotiva was a custom version of Dirac Live 1.0 that was developed specifically for the XMC-1.
One of the benefits of Dirac Live v2.xx is that it has been standardized across all platforms it runs on. Even though the DSP engine required a lot of customization to run on our processors, and a separate box is needed to interface it to the software, the software itself is standardized.
As far as I know Dirac has no plans to make their new Dirac Live 2.x version backwards compatible with the older DSP engine module.
The XMC-1 is upgradable; it is the Dirac software we embedded in its firmware that is not. However, since we didn't write that software, and don't own the code, that is out of our control.
The upgrade is the xmc-2 trade in program I don't consider spending $1050 to upgrade to the XMC-2 as an "upgrade". I'm happy with the XMC-1 and have no desire to buy the XMC-2. All I'm interested in is upgrading to Dirac Live 2. Plus at this time Dirac isn't an option on the XMC-2. If I recall when the XMC-1 was released it was billed as "the last processor you'll ever need" (or something to that effect) due to it being upgradeable. |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 23, 2020 19:48:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but there is inevitably some hyperbole in any statement about "something lasting forever".
You CAN upgrade your XMC-1.... to an XMC_2.... or an RMC-1.... However that upgrade includes new boards and a new cabinet. (We decided that upgrading it that way was more cost effective than trying to stuff the new boards into the old cabinet....)
Likewise, you can upgrade a 1980 Rolls Royce to an electric... but all you'll actually get to keep is the hood ornament. And, if you want to upgrade it to carry twenty passengers, and travel to the moon, odds are even that will have to go.
In point of fact, if you actually want a 5.1 or 7.1 channel system, then the XMC-1 is all you need.
(Dolby Atmos, rendered to 71. channels, is equivalent to Dolby TrueHD, and will play on any good quality Dolby TrueHD system.)
The upgrade is the xmc-2 trade in program I don't consider spending $1050 to upgrade to the XMC-2 as an "upgrade". I'm happy with the XMC-1 and have no desire to buy the XMC-2. All I'm interested in is upgrading to Dirac Live 2. Plus at this time Dirac isn't an option on the XMC-2. If I recall when the XMC-1 was released it was billed as "the last processor you'll ever need" (or something to that effect) due to it being upgradeable. |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 23, 2020 20:03:05 GMT -5
I don't consider spending $1050 to upgrade to the XMC-2 as an "upgrade". I'm happy with the XMC-1 and have no desire to buy the XMC-2. All I'm interested in is upgrading to Dirac Live 2. Plus at this time Dirac isn't an option on the XMC-2. If I recall when the XMC-1 was released it was billed as "the last processor you'll ever need" (or something to that effect) due to it being upgradeable. Think of it like a new car's accessory package - in order to get the premium stereo you have to get the leather seats and sunroof too.  On the flipside, I could see if it were offered as a standalone upgrade it costing $4-500. I doubt it'd be as cheap as the $99 full version upgrade for the XMC-1. |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 23, 2020 22:44:21 GMT -5
The upgrade is the xmc-2 trade in program I don't consider spending $1050 to upgrade to the XMC-2 as an "upgrade". I'm happy with the XMC-1 and have no desire to buy the XMC-2. All I'm interested in is upgrading to Dirac Live 2. Plus at this time Dirac isn't an option on the XMC-2. If I recall when the XMC-1 was released it was billed as "the last processor you'll ever need" (or something to that effect) due to it being upgradeable. If Emotiva really wants to, I think they can bring Dirac 2.0 to the XMC1. But how much are you and other XMC1 owners willing to pay? $500? $250? $100? Imho, the fact that they built that black box, they just would need to modify the code to interface with the DSP in the XMC1. Lonnie and Ray should be very familiar with the code to update the XMC1 - probably a copy and paste exercise. But given the fact that they want to make the XMC1 obsolete, along with the fact that only a few people with the XMC1 would likely pay for Dirac 2.0, it probably doesn’t make a good business case. With the marketing claims about the XMC1 being the last processor you’ll ever need, that was a gross mistake on Emotiva’s part and really unnecessary to sell the XMC1. Given the performance for price advantage and having Dirac at an unprecedented low price, they could have continued with the traditional model where pre/pros just doesn’t last forever. The UFL was the smarter play but they abandoned that with the XMC1. However, they are giving an upgrade path with the XMC1 to XMC2 trade in. Something they didn’t need to do if they didn’t market the XMC1 the way they did. But regardless, it’s a generous upgrade if someone wants to take it. |
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 24, 2020 0:20:38 GMT -5
Well let's not forget something here. Even in cars, some features will never be retro active in them. My Uconnect is from 2014, and will function with the new UConnect software. Just as the processor and other considerations differ in the XMC-1 and RMC, XMC-2. My vehicle also has different hardware too then current UConnect.
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