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Post by leonski on May 13, 2020 14:45:58 GMT -5
'Compare' is one of those iffy terms. What are we comparing? On a $$ per Watt basis? Weight? Total power? I'd factor in other stuff like 'fixability' and maybe shipping, if I thought I'd ever move again.....
As for SQ? Listen and decide. Many choices out there. Heck, I'd even consider a MagTech amp for my panels. Though not so much if I had very sensitive speakers.
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Post by frogman122 on May 23, 2020 1:13:54 GMT -5
Emotiva xpr amps are wicked and amazing,
My issue is the warranty is none, and they will not work on them!
Imhave a first gen xpa-1 monos! Even these are are a beast, and hard to get service on!
Besides the lifetime. Amps, ! Who has received service!
Who owns those st Jude amps with lifetime warranties??
Anyone. ??
First gen st Jude maps? W lifetime warranty!!
Help with issues”
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Post by frogman122 on May 23, 2020 1:16:31 GMT -5
Read a lot of info!
Anyone own the xpa-1 amps w lifetime warranties?
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Post by leonski on May 23, 2020 12:42:17 GMT -5
LIFETIME warranty? Not even Bryston offers that.
IF you had such a warranty you'd being paying Bryston prices for the amp...or higher.
Can someone clarify lifetime warranty? I'd not heard this before.....
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Post by novisnick on May 23, 2020 13:00:22 GMT -5
Read a lot of info! Anyone own the xpa-1 amps w lifetime warranties? New from an authorized dealer or direct from Emotiva, the XPA-1 came with a 5 year warranty and a 30 day return with no questions asked. Many of Emotiva products came with such a warranty but never a lifetime. Sherbourn series gear came with a 10 year warranty. Great gear by the way. Sherbourn eventually was absorbed by Emotiva. Pretty good deal IMO. No, but I have a set of RPR-1’s with a lifetime warranty! They’ll play till they die, end of life! LOL Sorry, just couldn’t help myself. I’ll be happy if someone could rebuild them when the 5 year warranty expires. I don’t believe any company builds anything with a lifetime warranty, some companies will repair at the owners expense for as long as you own their gear I believe. McIntosh comes to mind, I’m sure there are a couple of others, perhaps Bystron as mentioned earlier in this thread. Why do you ask? |
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Post by Lsc on May 23, 2020 15:55:34 GMT -5
The XPR-1 substitute could be the ATI 6002 a dual mono amp. It is significantly more than what the XPR-1 retailed for.
My buddy has the 6002 with the Revel Salons and it’s unbelievable how good things sound over there. My other buddy who had 3 XPR1s and replaced them and a XPR2 with the ATI 4005 says he isn’t missing the XPRs.
He actually had to pay return shipping multiple times to get his XPR amps repaired and was glad he got rid of them. I had zero problems with mine and it was sad for me to part with my beloved XPR amps.
I did accomplish my goal of getting a fully balanced amp across my front 3 though and with the XMC2, I couldn’t be happier.
If Emotiva comes out with amps that rival the ATI 4000/6000 series amps, I’ll be back.
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Post by chicagorspec on May 23, 2020 18:15:10 GMT -5
A cinder block
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Post by leonski on May 23, 2020 20:57:58 GMT -5
Read a lot of info! Anyone own the xpa-1 amps w lifetime warranties? New from an authorized dealer or direct from Emotiva, the XPA-1 came with a 5 year warranty and a 30 day return with no questions asked. Many of Emotiva products came with such a warranty but never a lifetime. Sherbourn series gear came with a 10 year warranty. Great gear by the way. Sherbourn eventually was absorbed by Emotiva. Pretty good deal IMO. No, but I have a set of RPR-1’s with a lifetime warranty! They’ll play till they die, end of life! LOL Sorry, just couldn’t help myself. I’ll be happy if someone could rebuild them when the 5 year warranty expires. I don’t believe any company builds anything with a lifetime warranty, some companies will repair at the owners expense for as long as you own their gear I believe. McIntosh comes to mind, I’m sure there are a couple of others, perhaps Bystron as mentioned earlier in this thread. Why do you ask? I'm questioning what 'frogman' wrote. And Yes, it would seem that MC will fix nearly anything they ever made. I suspect the 1st gen SS receiver is not on that list and maybe some of the very early gear I think from the 40s....... Bryston has a 20 year warranty on Amplifiers. I don't know about pre or integrated or DAC or any other in their line. Believe me, you pay for such a warranty. As a poor but real example, look at car batteries. Once you could get huge, long warranties with little or no Pro Rate for lifetime. But you could also get the same battery (they wouldn't tell you so) for a lot less, with a far more restrictive warranty. |
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Post by garbulky on May 23, 2020 23:10:14 GMT -5
I am an XPA-1 gen 2 owner, and I will say that the only replacement for the XPR-1....is another XPR-1  This is the amp where testers did not have sufficient resistor banks and could not keep the wall voltage from sagging so they couldn't figure out its max limits. |
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Post by leonski on May 24, 2020 1:29:16 GMT -5
I am an XPA-1 gen 2 owner, and I will say that the only replacement for the XPR-1....is another XPR-1 This is the amp where testers did not have sufficient resistor banks and could not keep the wall voltage from sagging so they couldn't figure out its max limits. Yet most users plug one or more into a 15 amp circuit than slap themselves on the back over having so much power at their disposal. And yes, a Variac is standard equipment for a well equipped bench. |
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Post by novisnick on May 24, 2020 1:39:16 GMT -5
I am an XPA-1 gen 2 owner, and I will say that the only replacement for the XPR-1....is another XPR-1 This is the amp where testers did not have sufficient resistor banks and could not keep the wall voltage from sagging so they couldn't figure out its max limits. Yet most users plug one or more into a 15 amp circuit than slap themselves on the back over having so much power at their disposal. And yes, a Variac is standard equipment for a well equipped bench. You May be right! But, how many users or speakers for that matter can/could actually use the kind of power that the XPR-1’s are capable of putting out. A 15 amp circuit is plenty for most every speaker on the market. 😁 |
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Post by KeithL on May 24, 2020 3:11:15 GMT -5
Novisnick's got it right....
Emotiva has always offered a five year transferable warranty on our top-line gear when purchased new. The BasX gear now comes with a three-year warranty... and some warranties may no longer be transferable. (You can always find the details of the warranty in the manual... which you can always find online.)
I don't know of anyone who offers a lifetime warranty any more. A very long time ago McIntosh used to offer an unlimited warranty - even if you weren't the original owner - and even covering abuse. But, over time, they limited their warranty coverage to exclude abuse, and then "normal wear" (like writing wear on the face plate). And bear in mind that, back when a McIntosh amp came with a real lifetime warranty, they also cost more than an economy car....
I think you'll find that out warranty is better than most companies offer... especially anywhere near our price point.
New from an authorized dealer or direct from Emotiva, the XPA-1 came with a 5 year warranty and a 30 day return with no questions asked. Many of Emotiva products came with such a warranty but never a lifetime. Sherbourn series gear came with a 10 year warranty. Great gear by the way. Sherbourn eventually was absorbed by Emotiva. Pretty good deal IMO. No, but I have a set of RPR-1’s with a lifetime warranty! They’ll play till they die, end of life! LOL Sorry, just couldn’t help myself. I’ll be happy if someone could rebuild them when the 5 year warranty expires. I don’t believe any company builds anything with a lifetime warranty, some companies will repair at the owners expense for as long as you own their gear I believe. McIntosh comes to mind, I’m sure there are a couple of others, perhaps Bystron as mentioned earlier in this thread. Why do you ask? I'm questioning what 'frogman' wrote. And Yes, it would seem that MC will fix nearly anything they ever made. I suspect the 1st gen SS receiver is not on that list and maybe some of the very early gear I think from the 40s....... Bryston has a 20 year warranty on Amplifiers. I don't know about pre or integrated or DAC or any other in their line. Believe me, you pay for such a warranty. As a poor but real example, look at car batteries. Once you could get huge, long warranties with little or no Pro Rate for lifetime. But you could also get the same battery (they wouldn't tell you so) for a lot less, with a far more restrictive warranty. |
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Post by KeithL on May 24, 2020 3:21:21 GMT -5
You do bring up an interesting point.... with car batteries.
Many people have the idea that "a company who offers a really long warranty must design their products to last a long time".... And, in some cases, this may actually be true. But, in other cases, there is no question that the products fail at about the same rate as lower-cost equivalents. And, in those cases, the company has simply raised the selling price to cover replacing more units as they fail over time. (This is also the logic behind most extended warranties..... )
New from an authorized dealer or direct from Emotiva, the XPA-1 came with a 5 year warranty and a 30 day return with no questions asked. Many of Emotiva products came with such a warranty but never a lifetime. Sherbourn series gear came with a 10 year warranty. Great gear by the way. Sherbourn eventually was absorbed by Emotiva. Pretty good deal IMO. No, but I have a set of RPR-1’s with a lifetime warranty! They’ll play till they die, end of life! LOL Sorry, just couldn’t help myself. I’ll be happy if someone could rebuild them when the 5 year warranty expires. I don’t believe any company builds anything with a lifetime warranty, some companies will repair at the owners expense for as long as you own their gear I believe. McIntosh comes to mind, I’m sure there are a couple of others, perhaps Bystron as mentioned earlier in this thread. Why do you ask? I'm questioning what 'frogman' wrote. And Yes, it would seem that MC will fix nearly anything they ever made. I suspect the 1st gen SS receiver is not on that list and maybe some of the very early gear I think from the 40s....... Bryston has a 20 year warranty on Amplifiers. I don't know about pre or integrated or DAC or any other in their line. Believe me, you pay for such a warranty. As a poor but real example, look at car batteries. Once you could get huge, long warranties with little or no Pro Rate for lifetime. But you could also get the same battery (they wouldn't tell you so) for a lot less, with a far more restrictive warranty. |
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Post by leonski on May 24, 2020 14:32:01 GMT -5
One thing that Bryston does that I doubt anyone else has either the time or inclination to do is what is called 'burn in'. They plug the amp in and run it for a certain amount of time experience has shown them to be enough to take care of 'infant mortality'....That is the tendency of equipment to fail sooner than later. Once over that hump? It's all good and long lasting.
But that additional step costs...
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Post by leonski on May 24, 2020 19:11:13 GMT -5
small circle, eh, Keith? My battery comments reminded you of something which in turn reminded ME of something.
Parts ain't parts. And Circuits EVEN DUPLICATED by another sometimes don't last as long. Replacing a 5 watt resistor with a smaller value? To save pennies? Might create a weak spot. And not all Semiconductors are created equal, either. Depending on the level of qualifification BY THE MANUFACTURER of such parts, they may have different lifetimes.....or in the lingo? MTBF Mean Time Between Failure. Replacing a given thickness of plating with thinner copper on a circuit board may result in cost savings but render the board less repairable or perhaps more prone to fail at a high-current trace. I won't even get into what circuit boards are made out of. I've seen cheap junk which was like compressed cardboard (it wasn't) all the way to what looks like fiberglass........
You can buy the least expensive parts and cut corners in fabrication and construction areas. And end up with a component which doesn't last as long as the 'high cost' guys who also may do additional incoming inspections on parts or even extra attention to completes sub-assemblies prior to the finished gear.
Lots of room to cut corners at the expense of reliability. That 20 year warranty of Bryston doesn't come cheap!
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Post by audiobill on Jun 16, 2020 13:09:48 GMT -5
Novisnick's got it right....
Emotiva has always offered a five year transferable warranty on our top-line gear when purchased new. The BasX gear now comes with a three-year warranty... and some warranties may no longer be transferable. (You can always find the details of the warranty in the manual... which you can always find online.)
I don't know of anyone who offers a lifetime warranty any more. A very long time ago McIntosh used to offer an unlimited warranty - even if you weren't the original owner - and even covering abuse. But, over time, they limited their warranty coverage to exclude abuse, and then "normal wear" (like writing wear on the face plate). And bear in mind that, back when a McIntosh amp came with a real lifetime warranty, they also cost more than an economy car....
I think you'll find that out warranty is better than most companies offer... especially anywhere near our price point.
I'm questioning what 'frogman' wrote. And Yes, it would seem that MC will fix nearly anything they ever made. I suspect the 1st gen SS receiver is not on that list and maybe some of the very early gear I think from the 40s....... Bryston has a 20 year warranty on Amplifiers. I don't know about pre or integrated or DAC or any other in their line. Believe me, you pay for such a warranty. As a poor but real example, look at car batteries. Once you could get huge, long warranties with little or no Pro Rate for lifetime. But you could also get the same battery (they wouldn't tell you so) for a lot less, with a far more restrictive warranty. @keithl - Just fyi - no McIntosh owner I know is vaguely interested in an economy car..... |
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Post by frogman122 on Jan 15, 2021 12:11:21 GMT -5
We browsed many audio sites years ago, Emotiva offered a lifetime warranty on the xpa-1’s They made 5 pairs of limited edition monoblocks. I remember it, was too much for my wallet at the time, Wish we had the money, it was an amazing deal, with the purchase of the amps, it was a lifetime warranty. I swear it was. My memory is not that bad  If anyone has info, please post it here. Best |
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Post by markscho on Jan 18, 2021 15:36:49 GMT -5
Anyone have any thoughts on when the XPA-DR1 Gen4's are going drop as we are close to the 5 year mark I think. Meters on the Gen4 DR1's would be great
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