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Post by assy74 on Apr 9, 2020 13:19:44 GMT -5
Most ting evolves and get better With time  But the vacum after XPR-1 have not filled afterwords! I still regret that I didnt buy one….. At least I have a XPR-5 still, and I just compared it With DR2 which I have in my living room. And the sound was quite alike, maybe the dr2 was a bit more laidback. But they had the same punch in bass biggest difference was that the DR2 is total quiet, not even a slight hiss. And in my system the XPR5 has a very low hiss, maybe 3 feet from the speaker and you will hear it. But the DR2 you can put Your ear all the way to the tweeter and nothing So my point is that the New DR series is getting slightly better…… So the XPR5 and XPR2 (havent heard the XPR2) but i belive they have been replaced in a good way But the XPR-1 not so much! So I hope that emotiva will get something that will So the reason why I post this is the quote from big Dan last year sometime, where he aired the idea of a New monoblock With 1kw Power! Is it going to happen in the future? Best regards from a Norwegian Emotiva fan c,") |
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Post by routlaw on Apr 9, 2020 19:06:52 GMT -5
Just get a pair of DR-1’s. You will not be dissatisfied.
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Post by Lsc on Apr 10, 2020 0:12:09 GMT -5
The XPR2 sounded better than the XPR5. The XPR5 sounded flatter and less dynamic but still sounded great.
Obviously the XPR1 was in a class if it’s own.
Those were the good old days of manufacturing in China. Now it would probably cost double to make those same amps.
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 17, 2020 11:07:45 GMT -5
XPR substitute? Parasound JC-1+
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 17, 2020 11:26:58 GMT -5
The XPR-1 like all the Mono Amplifiers by Emotiva were fully Differential Balanced from input to output. I have a friend who uses 4 of them in a Bi-Amplication setup. Drives these very unique demanding speakers with them. The setup is phenomenal. Better than the DR family? I don't know. I don't have enough time with them to base an opinion. The XPR-1 was the top you could get at Emotiva. No excuses, just performance. I like them very much. Only thing is logistics are not easy. Big and heavy and it wants a dedicated 20 amp circuit to be happy fully. The DR is a culmination of all things learned on the previous designs. The DR is a much friendlier package for any system. Is more efficient and has full support too. Me? I lean more to the PA-1 for my needs. That amp just speaks to me. Just like the A100 and A300 amplifiers. They are more my reality today. Emotiva has an amplifier for everyone. Has been that way for a long time. From what I can see, will be for a long time to come.
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Post by leonski on Apr 22, 2020 18:57:01 GMT -5
XPR substitute? Parasound JC-1+ I've heard the JC-1 and it is a MONSTER. Takes 2 men and a boy to move the darn thing. Enough 'A' power that you probably don't ever tap into the rest. Curl is a master designer. Up in the same level as Pass, and D'Agonstino. |
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Post by tchaik on Apr 22, 2020 20:39:50 GMT -5
The XPR-1 like all the Mono Amplifiers by Emotiva were fully Differential Balanced from input to output. I have a friend who uses 4 of them in a Bi-Amplication setup. Drives these very unique demanding speakers with them. The setup is phenomenal. Better than the DR family? I don't know. I don't have enough time with them to base an opinion. The XPR-1 was the top you could get at Emotiva. No excuses, just performance. I like them very much. Only thing is logistics are not easy. Big and heavy and it wants a dedicated 20 amp circuit to be happy fully. The DR is a culmination of all things learned on the previous designs. The DR is a much friendlier package for any system. Is more efficient and has full support too. Me? I lean more to the PA-1 for my needs. That amp just speaks to me. Just like the A100 and A300 amplifiers. They are more my reality today. Emotiva has an amplifier for everyone. Has been that way for a long time. From what I can see, will be for a long time to come. but I want a DR-1SUPERCHARGED that would have the power of the XPR-1. 1000 WATTS AT 8 OHMS, 1750 AT 4 OHMS. NOW I WOULD MOVE ON THAT ......... WIIIITHHHHH HONKING BIG-ASS METERS. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 22, 2020 22:12:55 GMT -5
2 or more questions for tchaik, if I may?
1. What speaker could conceiveabbly use such power?
2. Are you in a outdoor venue?
3. Do you have at least 4 or 5 dedicated 20 amp circuits? 1 per Supercharged....than apportion the OTHER outlets among the remainder.
And as comment to Vac? Agreed the XPR-1 is big and heavy. I suspect shipping claims and shipping damage played No Small part in its demise. Again? What is the overall sensitivity of the speakers using a PAIR of 'em in biamp? Do they have a line level crossover, i hope?
I tend to agree about th PA-1 Especially for a HT system where you could possibly use a 'distributed' amplifier system. This even though I'm not particularly fond of 'D' amps any more. The A series amps use an 'artificial' means to inflate 4 ohm power. Be Careful when reading the specs. My Panels would destroy them at high levels. Power claims not withstanding. I've seen what a switcher can do to the 10khz. square wave response and it is UGLY.
A buddy of mine uses XPR-1 on the BASS end of his Magnepan MG20. Beautiful sound. I think he may still be using a Marchand Crossover and some tube amp for JUST the tweeter. (a ribbon)
This was a peak listening experience for me. Even at modest levels, you felt 5th row center......
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Post by novisnick on Apr 23, 2020 0:18:24 GMT -5
The XPR-1 amps are very happy on a 15 amp circuit, 20 amps was use for testing to meet claims. My set are beautiful and sound is totl ! No hiss from the big beasts Replacement, I shutter at the thought! 😲🤯
Sometimes it’s not about the power needs of a speaker but what the amp can draw out of a particular speaker. I’ve listened to very efficient Klipsch speakers, you can run them on a set of AAA batteries. Being powered by the XPR-#1’s transformers these speakers and many others into something else. Just amazing what the depth of power can do for a speaker. I pray they are the last monoblocks I’ll ever need.
Good luck finding a monoblock amp of such quality and value. 🤞🎶🎶🎶🤞
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Post by leonski on Apr 23, 2020 13:37:55 GMT -5
I guess I'll never understand the urge to own a 1000hp car and feed it 86octane Gasohol.
It seems to tell me that 'No, I really don't NEED the power, but sure like the specs!'
I'd urge anyone with such amps to NOTE in the message that 'I don't really use it, and don't feed it enough house current'......
And for sure, amp / speaker synergy is very important. And while certain amps and speakers should not be paired, (think electrostatic and an unstable amp) people continue to search.
I suppose that's to the good. I know I've personally been thru several phases in my career. High Power! Big 12" 3-ways! Complicated switching! MORE power! 'D' Amps!
As for "finding a monoblock amp of such quality and value"? I'd go a different direction.....especially if i was 20 years younger and still a good earner. I'd be looking at any one of
half a dozen higher powereed amps which have stood the test of time. OR go in a completely different direction with high sensitivity speakers with much more modest power demands.
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Post by tchaik on Apr 23, 2020 13:51:38 GMT -5
2 or more questions for tchaik, if I may? 1. What speaker could conceiveabbly use such power? 2. Are you in a outdoor venue? 3. Do you have at least 4 or 5 dedicated 20 amp circuits? 1 per Supercharged....than apportion the OTHER outlets among the remainder. To leonski: 1. my speakers are not in need of that much power. 2. I am indoors. 3. I have 4 separate dedicated 20 amp circuits in my living room. 4. just want the power, just because, no other sensible reason. I actually listen at moderate to low volume. 5. as said in "What about Bob?" I want, I want, I want.... I need, I need, I need.  |
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Post by leonski on Apr 23, 2020 13:59:54 GMT -5
I admire your candor.
Good job on the Multiple 20 amp circuits!
One more point ./ question. Have you considered a better power cord? Not that you have 20 amps, which requires 12ga or larger TO the outlet, have you
considered a matching cord from outlet TO amp? Wouldnt' surprise me if amp came with 14ga.
Several DIY options available which won't break the bank, while the REAL Hormone Case types can spend thousands.
Some of the Beldin wires are highly regarded i this space and you can make a good cable for a fair price.
Signal Cable and Pangea may be looked at for comparison purposes.
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Post by tchaik on Apr 23, 2020 20:11:01 GMT -5
I admire your candor. Good job on the Multiple 20 amp circuits! One more point ./ question. Have you considered a better power cord? Not that you have 20 amps, which requires 12ga or larger TO the outlet, have you considered a matching cord from outlet TO amp? Wouldnt' surprise me if amp came with 14ga. Several DIY options available which won't break the bank, while the REAL Hormone Case types can spend thousands. Some of the Beldin wires are highly regarded i this space and you can make a good cable for a fair price. Signal Cable and Pangea may be looked at for comparison purposes. cables for the XPR-1, XPR-2 and XPR-5 amps are 12 Gauge and are terminated with a 20 amp plug. the amps were Beasts. XPR-1. 1000 watts 8 ohms, 1750 watts 4 ohms. XPR-2 600 watts 8 ohms, 1000 watts 4 ohms. both channels driven. XPR-5 400 watts 8 ohms, 600 watts 4 ohms. all 5 channels driven. all three of the amps weigh over 100 pounds, which is why ... where my XPR-2 and XPR-5 sit, is where they will still sit until the day they die. around the time I was about to buy a pair of the XPR-1's, they were discontinued. Dan told me, the main reason for discontinuance was the weight and the shipping damage claims they were suffering because of the weight. it was too expensive to keep the line. tchaik.............. |
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Post by leonski on Apr 23, 2020 21:13:08 GMT -5
I have repeatedly stated that shipping damage / handling issues were killers for those big amps.
Shipping for that sort of item SHOULD be strapped to a pallet and SHOCKWATCH sensors attached and NOTED to the shipper.
when I tarted investigating the KKLIPSH Forte IIII speaker I became aware that shipping is done palletized / strapped and in pairs.
If you look at Ebay, you'll see many 'singletons' for sale, all with dinged corners or other 'minor damage'........
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Post by leonski on Apr 23, 2020 22:13:06 GMT -5
I admire your candor. Good job on the Multiple 20 amp circuits! One more point ./ question. Have you considered a better power cord? Not that you have 20 amps, which requires 12ga or larger TO the outlet, have you considered a matching cord from outlet TO amp? Wouldnt' surprise me if amp came with 14ga. Several DIY options available which won't break the bank, while the REAL Hormone Case types can spend thousands. Some of the Beldin wires are highly regarded i this space and you can make a good cable for a fair price. Signal Cable and Pangea may be looked at for comparison purposes. cables for the XPR-1, XPR-2 and XPR-5 amps are 12 Gauge and are terminated with a 20 amp plug. the amps were Beasts. XPR-1. 1000 watts 8 ohms, 1750 watts 4 ohms. XPR-2 600 watts 8 ohms, 1000 watts 4 ohms. both channels driven. XPR-5 400 watts 8 ohms, 600 watts 4 ohms. all 5 channels driven. all three of the amps weigh over 100 pounds, which is why ... where my XPR-2 and XPR-5 sit, is where they will still sit until the day they die. around the time I was about to buy a pair of the XPR-1's, they were discontinued. Dan told me, the main reason for discontinuance was the weight and the shipping damage claims they were suffering because of the weight. it was too expensive to keep the line. tchaik.............. Did you modify them or is that as issued? The reason I ask is that a 20 amp plug and IEC have non-parallel spades. They are at right angles. But a 20 amp OUTLET has one plug which will accept either a parallel spade 15 amp OR a 20 amp version. Enough people have yowled about '15 amp is fine' for me to think they come equipped all with 15amp standard thruout. Is that correct? I'm not too concerned with sheer power claims. You could easily make a 125 watt PURE Class 'A' amp that would weigh that much. The Pass XS stuff is on 4 chassis. 2 are power and 2 are 'output'. Total weight? 500lb for the 150 x 2 version. Shipping weight ADDS 100lb. I don't blame you at all for NOT wanting to move them! What are you supposed to do? Vacuum under them? |
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Post by tchaik on Apr 24, 2020 9:24:19 GMT -5
cables for the XPR-1, XPR-2 and XPR-5 amps are 12 Gauge and are terminated with a 20 amp plug. the amps were Beasts. XPR-1. 1000 watts 8 ohms, 1750 watts 4 ohms. XPR-2 600 watts 8 ohms, 1000 watts 4 ohms. both channels driven. XPR-5 400 watts 8 ohms, 600 watts 4 ohms. all 5 channels driven. all three of the amps weigh over 100 pounds, which is why ... where my XPR-2 and XPR-5 sit, is where they will still sit until the day they die. around the time I was about to buy a pair of the XPR-1's, they were discontinued. Dan told me, the main reason for discontinuance was the weight and the shipping damage claims they were suffering because of the weight. it was too expensive to keep the line. tchaik.............. Did you modify them or is that as issued? The reason I ask is that a 20 amp plug and IEC have non-parallel spades. They are at right angles. But a 20 amp OUTLET has one plug which will accept either a parallel spade 15 amp OR a 20 amp version. Enough people have yowled about '15 amp is fine' for me to think they come equipped all with 15amp standard thruout. Is that correct? I'm not too concerned with sheer power claims. You could easily make a 125 watt PURE Class 'A' amp that would weigh that much. The Pass XS stuff is on 4 chassis. 2 are power and 2 are 'output'. Total weight? 500lb for the 150 x 2 version. Shipping weight ADDS 100lb. I don't blame you at all for NOT wanting to move them! What are you supposed to do? Vacuum under them? The power chords and plug were the stock items that came with the amp. yes, non-parallel spades. you can find the details of these amps by going to the "waybackmachine" on the internet archive and find emotiva from October 2015. there you can click on the info and pics as if you had gone back in time. btw... had Krell class A amps in the way, way past. at the age of 66 I am not interested in 150, 200 pound amps anymore. when my XPR-2 eventually dies, I will be replacing with lighter amps. my first initial statement on this thread was more of a fantasy wish list that will never come to fruition. one and a half decades ago, maybe, but with 4 kids in college at that time, I barely had 2 nickels to rub together. now that I can afford pass labs, Mcintosh stuff, I have no intention of spending that kind of money on an amp. prep for retirement ya know........ |
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Post by frogman122 on Apr 25, 2020 20:01:21 GMT -5
The XPR amps were beasts of amplifiers!
They should still be in production!
I’m still happily using my xpa-1 amps.
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Post by novisnick on Apr 25, 2020 20:17:19 GMT -5
The XPR amps were beasts of amplifiers! They should still be in production! I’m still happily using my xpa-1 amps. The XPR amps were are beasts of amplifiers! There, I fixed that for you. 😏 |
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Post by leonski on Apr 25, 2020 21:17:32 GMT -5
you know, the XPR was well regarded, I think even in the 'hifi' press.
New owners would have to buy into huge shipping costs and insurance along with maybe a short list of those authorized to ship 'em.
I just checked out KLIPSCH speakers. The Forte III is heavy and a pair on a pallet will go north of 160lb.
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Post by Lsc on Apr 25, 2020 22:37:53 GMT -5
you know, the XPR was well regarded, I think even in the 'hifi' press. New owners would have to buy into huge shipping costs and insurance along with maybe a short list of those authorized to ship 'em. I just checked out KLIPSCH speakers. The Forte III is heavy and a pair on a pallet will go north of 160lb. XPR amps were and are still excellent. If you look around now, look how expensive amplifiers are that would compete with the XPR amps. I did find that the ATI amps are ones that are “reasonable” and high performing. I was going to get the 6003 if it was a decent price but found a 4003 that I can get and probably lose nothing driving my F208. Learn something new everyday. |
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