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Post by aussierox on Apr 12, 2020 3:24:54 GMT -5
Hey guys
I've been running an XMC2 with a 9.1.6 setup for a few months now however in all that time I've not found a single movie that actually uses the front wide speakers. The only time I've actually been able to have them engage is when running the Atmos demo tracks.
I was hoping someone here has a list or has written up a guide on some movies that use front wides.
Or if you know if some that you enjoy please feel free to post them here.
Thanks
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Post by megash0n on Apr 12, 2020 5:05:17 GMT -5
Hey guys I've been running an XMC2 with a 9.1.6 setup for a few months now however in all that time I've not found a single movie that actually uses the front wide speakers. The only time I've actually been able to have them engage is when running the Atmos demo tracks. I was hoping someone here has a list or has written up a guide on some movies that use front wides. Or if you know if some that you enjoy please feel free to post them here. Thanks None in my large collection of movies do. There are some on here that say their wides are mixed in although I'm not entirely sure how that is happening. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 12, 2020 9:22:38 GMT -5
Wow!
That’s a lot of cash to put out there, waiting for sound to emerge from someplace! (Just sayin)
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Post by Lsc on Apr 12, 2020 17:51:00 GMT -5
Hey guys I've been running an XMC2 with a 9.1.6 setup for a few months now however in all that time I've not found a single movie that actually uses the front wide speakers. The only time I've actually been able to have them engage is when running the Atmos demo tracks. I was hoping someone here has a list or has written up a guide on some movies that use front wides. Or if you know if some that you enjoy please feel free to post them here. Thanks When you say that you haven’t found a single movie, do you mean you don’t get any sound from your front wides on Atmos movies? I just watched a little bit of Alita and there is sound coming out of the front wides. They aren’t always on but when sound pans and there is “movement” in sound, I hear the front wides working. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 12, 2020 21:15:55 GMT -5
Aquaman also uses front wides and so does Wonder Woman
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 12, 2020 21:21:28 GMT -5
Could be my choice of movies but I have not found one yet that actually uses front wides properly for sound objects when playing an Atmos sound track ie; not when using an upmixer on a Dolby True HD track (fake 3D). With a couple of AVR/processors (Denon, Marantz) I have occasionally heard some random sounds from the front sides, but nothing consistently worthwhile, haven’t had the same with a Storm processor.
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Post by Lsc on Apr 12, 2020 23:18:10 GMT -5
Could be my choice of movies but I have not found one yet that actually uses front wides properly for sound objects when playing an Atmos sound track ie; not when using an upmixer on a Dolby True HD track (fake 3D). With a couple of AVR/processors (Denon, Marantz) I have occasionally heard some random sounds from the front sides, but nothing consistently worthwhile, haven’t had the same with a Storm processor. Go Dogs I think in Atmos the front wides can be thought as a surround speaker between the fronts and the side surrounds. That’s what it seems like it is doing for me |
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Post by aussierox on Apr 13, 2020 0:29:40 GMT -5
Strangely when watching movies like Aquaman, Alita or Wonder woman The front wides don't seem to play sound at all. yet if I run the atmos, amaze, leaf, horizon demos ect front wides will play sound.
Can confirm the movies are playing as TrueHD atmos according to the XMC.
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 13, 2020 10:15:53 GMT -5
Atmos for home does not support front wides as bed channels. Atmos supports 7.1 bed channels only. However, many so called 3D sounds are programmed with intensity and location parameters (the metadata). These sounds are then placed in an Atmos home sound system as close a possible to the software position by utilizing other speakers in the ceiling, heights on the walls, or extra speakers at ear level like perhaps wides. The home processor renders or determines which speakers combine to achieve the sound lolcation that the software is asking. DTS:X and DTS:X Pro are a different matter altogether. DTS: x only handles 11 channels period. DTS: x Pro is not widely distributed as of yet.
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Post by Lsc on Apr 13, 2020 11:10:46 GMT -5
Atmos for home does not support front wides as bed channels. Atmos supports 7.1 bed channels only. However, many so called 3D sounds are programmed with intensity and location parameters (the metadata). These sounds are then placed in an Atmos home sound system as close a possible to the software position by utilizing other speakers in the ceiling, heights on the walls, or extra speakers at ear level like perhaps wides. The home processor renders or determines which speakers combine to achieve the sound lolcation that the software is asking. DTS:X and DTS:X Pro are a different matter altogether. DTS: x only handles 11 channels period. DTS: x Pro is not widely distributed as of yet. Makes sense. I have noticed the front wides are used to enhance the surround sound effects but for the most part it’s not used like L/C/R speakers. I feel like 9.1.4 using Atmos is a big difference vs my old 5.2.4. The extra speakers really enhance the movie experience. |
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Post by sahmen on Apr 13, 2020 14:17:59 GMT -5
Does that mean one can get away with using speakers for front wides that are smaller (actually , much smaller, or less prominent in stature) than say, one's front and center speakers? It seems to me that given the amount of "action" they will most likely ever see in a standard Atmos layout of speakers, the front wides might not be as crucial or as important as the surrounds or the surround backs in a 7.1 layout (with the understanding that the layout would be 9.1 when front wides are included).
Let me know how correct or incorrect the above view is.
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Post by mgbpuff on Apr 13, 2020 20:53:16 GMT -5
For Atmos you would be correct. But DTS X does use wides as channels. So for that reason you might want to use the same speakers for wides as you do for front left and right.
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Post by sahmen on Apr 13, 2020 21:23:01 GMT -5
For Atmos you would be correct. But DTS X does use wides as channels. So for that reason you might want to use the same speakers for wides as you do for front left and right. Great! I can be set up for this kind of layout too, in order to accommodate the requirements of the DTS-X formats. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 13, 2020 22:17:41 GMT -5
Does that mean one can get away with using speakers for front wides that are smaller (actually , much smaller, or less prominent in stature) than say, one's front and center speakers? It seems to me that given the amount of "action" they will most likely ever see in a standard Atmos layout of speakers, the front wides might not be as crucial or as important as the surrounds or the surround backs in a 7.1 layout (with the understanding that the layout would be 9.1 when front wides are included). Let me know how correct or incorrect the above view is. I think the surround backs are the least important. I did both setups. 1. I used an old BP2 for front wides and noticed the benefits of having front wides. 2. I replaced the BP2 with my current surround backs - Revel F12. So I have F208 as fronts, F12 as front wides and side surrounds. Then I used my old Polk S10 as Surround backs. This setup was waaaaay better and it transformed my system as well as “transporting” me to that theater level experience. I think if your front wides match your other speakers then yes you can get by with a bookshelf speaker. But I think full range is better. I’m considering buying a pair of Revel M12 bookshelves for my surround backs but will hold off to see if I can get a pair of F206 for a good price for my front wides or another pair of F12 to have 6 identical speakers. |
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Post by truwarrior22 on Nov 4, 2021 10:04:13 GMT -5
Does that mean one can get away with using speakers for front wides that are smaller (actually , much smaller, or less prominent in stature) than say, one's front and center speakers? It seems to me that given the amount of "action" they will most likely ever see in a standard Atmos layout of speakers, the front wides might not be as crucial or as important as the surrounds or the surround backs in a 7.1 layout (with the understanding that the layout would be 9.1 when front wides are included). Let me know how correct or incorrect the above view is. I think the surround backs are the least important. I did both setups. 1. I used an old BP2 for front wides and noticed the benefits of having front wides. 2. I replaced the BP2 with my current surround backs - Revel F12. So I have F208 as fronts, F12 as front wides and side surrounds. Then I used my old Polk S10 as Surround backs. This setup was waaaaay better and it transformed my system as well as “transporting” me to that theater level experience. I think if your front wides match your other speakers then yes you can get by with a bookshelf speaker. But I think full range is better. I’m considering buying a pair of Revel M12 bookshelves for my surround backs but will hold off to see if I can get a pair of F206 for a good price for my front wides or another pair of F12 to have 6 identical speakers. I have 4 Sonus Faber Toy Towers and Toy Center, was looking to use the 4 towers for front and front wide then uses some spare bookshelves for rears. Have any good 4K Blurays or other media to actually test with? I'm not sure what media actually uses front wides. My processor supports Atmos and DTS:X Pro. Ever get the F206s? I'm consider a pair of those as well. |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 4, 2021 10:34:28 GMT -5
A relatively new format….yet an OLD story!
Waiting for the industry of artists and producers to overwhelm us with source material that will put demo discs to shame….You can relax, because that will never happen.
I remember the days of waiting with excitement and anticipation for the release of a slew of DTS music concerts that never came. I was led to believe this would be killer and my jaw would be dropping in front of my cutting edge system.
Oh there’s good stuff out there but the ones of greatness are few and far between. Then I realized the format is only as good as who’s minding the store (so to speak) Poorly mastered DTS often makes PCM or the Dolby option a superior choice.
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Post by truwarrior22 on Nov 4, 2021 11:15:18 GMT -5
A relatively new format….yet an OLD story! Waiting for the industry of artists and producers to overwhelm us with source material that will put demo discs to shame….You can relax, because that will never happen. I remember the days of waiting with excitement and anticipation for the release of a slew of DTS music concerts that never came. I was led to believe this would be killer and my jaw would be dropping in front of my cutting edge system. Oh there’s good stuff out there but the ones of greatness are few and far between. Then I realized the format is only as good as who’s minding the store (so to speak) Poorly mastered DTS often makes PCM or the Dolby option a superior choice. Well my current space doesn't allow much for rear surrounds and not willing to install ceiling speakers, for I don't think that will work well too, but if I can get more action out of the front stage, that could be awesome and willing to at least try it since I have the speakers and processing  I just have no idea what uses it and I have to probably use Blu-ray since I only have ARC on my TV. Call me crazy, but I think front wides could work well for concerts, etc. Maybe help support the center more, etc. |
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Post by truwarrior22 on Nov 4, 2021 14:59:50 GMT -5
A relatively new format….yet an OLD story! Waiting for the industry of artists and producers to overwhelm us with source material that will put demo discs to shame….You can relax, because that will never happen. I remember the days of waiting with excitement and anticipation for the release of a slew of DTS music concerts that never came. I was led to believe this would be killer and my jaw would be dropping in front of my cutting edge system. Oh there’s good stuff out there but the ones of greatness are few and far between. Then I realized the format is only as good as who’s minding the store (so to speak) Poorly mastered DTS often makes PCM or the Dolby option a superior choice. So I got the energy to put a temp setup together. I wasn't sure which blurays supported wide fronts, so I just used HBO Max and Dolby digital plus back to my AVR via ACR and enabled the Dolby surround up mixer (speaker virtualization must be disabled for front wides to enable when using DSU). I would say the change worked, but was very subtle. The rear seems to overpower the front wides. That said, I'm curious how content using front wide objects would actually sound. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 4, 2021 21:17:11 GMT -5
I have 4 Sonus Faber Toy Towers and Toy Center, was looking to use the 4 towers for front and front wide then uses some spare bookshelves for rears. Have any good 4K Blurays or other media to actually test with? I'm not sure what media actually uses front wides. My processor supports Atmos and DTS:X Pro. Ever get the F206s? I'm consider a pair of those as well. No I never got the F206s. I went the other way and upgraded my mains to the Revel Salons. I did hear the F206 when I bought my F208 a while back and they are very good speakers. |
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Post by truwarrior22 on Nov 5, 2021 8:16:21 GMT -5
I have 4 Sonus Faber Toy Towers and Toy Center, was looking to use the 4 towers for front and front wide then uses some spare bookshelves for rears. Have any good 4K Blurays or other media to actually test with? I'm not sure what media actually uses front wides. My processor supports Atmos and DTS:X Pro. Ever get the F206s? I'm consider a pair of those as well. No I never got the F206s. I went the other way and upgraded my mains to the Revel Salons. I did hear the F206 when I bought my F208 a while back and they are very good speakers. Yeah, I thought the F206 was a little more lively while the F208 was a bit more laid back. I'm not sure how the tone controls on the F208 were configured though... |
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I just have no idea what uses it and I have to probably use Blu-ray since I only have ARC on my TV. Call me crazy, but I think front wides could work well for concerts, etc. Maybe help support the center more, etc. 