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Post by bluescale on Apr 25, 2020 2:55:47 GMT -5
I'm about ready to make the just to Atmos, and I've put myself on the list to be notified when the A1 speakers are in stock. I'm trying to understand placement options, and how to set things up in the XMC-2. I want to get two pairs so I can have a 7.2.4 setup. However, due to room constraints that I don't want to get into right now, I cannot mount them on my front wall, on the ceilings, or as reflective speakers. In other words, they will have to be installed on my side wall, at the junction of the wall and the ceiling, at 2 o'clock, 4 o'clock, 8 o'clock, and 10 o'clock. Speakers mounted high would normally be height speakers, but in Atmos, height implies it's on the front and back walls, right? So would I designate these as top speakers? How problematic is it that they are not actually overhead. My ceiling height, if it matters is about 7' 10".
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Post by bluescale on Apr 25, 2020 2:58:36 GMT -5
I should also say, I have Airmotiv 6s for all 7 channels, which is why the A1s will be a good tonal match.
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Post by megash0n on Apr 25, 2020 7:14:42 GMT -5
I'm about ready to make the just to Atmos, and I've put myself on the list to be notified when the A1 speakers are in stock. I'm trying to understand placement options, and how to set things up in the XMC-2. I want to get two pairs so I can have a 7.2.4 setup. However, due to room constraints that I don't want to get into right now, I cannot mount them on my front wall, on the ceilings, or as reflective speakers. In other words, they will have to be installed on my side wall, at the junction of the wall and the ceiling, at 2 o'clock, 4 o'clock, 8 o'clock, and 10 o'clock. Speakers mounted high would normally be height speakers, but in Atmos, height implies it's on the front and back walls, right? So would I designate these as top speakers? How problematic is it that they are not actually overhead. My ceiling height, if it matters is about 7' 10". They may have, or you may can find, some good mounting brackets to allow you to "point" them exactly where they need to be. Those positions may not be optimal, but if they are up above you... I think it will work just fine. Someone may correct me, but tops means "in the ceiling" And heights means "high on the wall". Ideally these would be front and back wall as you suggest, but I think what you are doing will be satisfactory. My opinion is that you'd use brackets if needed to point them and set them as front and rear " Heights ". I haven't tried " Tops" Yet, but what I've read, heights are the best compromise between Dolby and Atmos. After changing my setup to be this way, I still have some issues, but overall the sound is far better. I don't get unbalanced audio coming from the surrounds. |
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Post by bluescale on Apr 25, 2020 17:19:59 GMT -5
I haven't tried " Tops" Yet, but what I've read, heights are the best compromise between Dolby and Atmos. After changing my setup to be this way, I still have some issues, but overall the sound is far better. I don't get unbalanced audio coming from the surrounds. Where are your speakers mounted? I was under the impression that tops were ideal, and heights were a compromise. Are you saying the heights are actually better because they work with both DTS:X and Atmos? |
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Post by bluescale on Apr 25, 2020 18:48:51 GMT -5
Are there any photos of the A1 mount bracket? I *might* be able to ceiling mount them as top speakers, although they would be just a tiny bit in front of the ideal position.
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Post by ttocs on Apr 25, 2020 19:10:19 GMT -5
Would something like this work for the Tops? I used larger versions (8' long) of these in a photo studio with lights and softboxes mounted on the ends weighing about 15 pounds.  |
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Post by megash0n on Apr 25, 2020 19:23:20 GMT -5
I haven't tried " Tops" Yet, but what I've read, heights are the best compromise between Dolby and Atmos. After changing my setup to be this way, I still have some issues, but overall the sound is far better. I don't get unbalanced audio coming from the surrounds. Where are your speakers mounted? I was under the impression that tops were ideal, and heights were a compromise. Are you saying the heights are actually better because they work with both DTS:X and Atmos? I don't know what is best. I just know that "heights" so way better than the Dolby enabled setting I had. |
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Post by bluescale on Apr 25, 2020 19:48:56 GMT -5
Would something like this work for the Tops? I used larger versions (8' long) of these in a photo studio with lights and softboxes mounted on the ends weighing about 15 pounds. View AttachmentI'm trying to figure out how speakers would attach to this, and having a very hard time picturing it. |
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Post by bluescale on Apr 25, 2020 19:51:40 GMT -5
Where are your speakers mounted? I was under the impression that tops were ideal, and heights were a compromise. Are you saying the heights are actually better because they work with both DTS:X and Atmos? I don't know what is best. I just know that "heights" so way better than the Dolby enabled setting I had. When I saw the Dolby setting in the speaker setup, I assumed that is designed for using speakers that bounce sound off the ceiling. If that's the case, it would explain why sound wouldn't be good with that setup. |
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Post by megash0n on Apr 25, 2020 20:36:48 GMT -5
I don't know what is best. I just know that "heights" so way better than the Dolby enabled setting I had. When I saw the Dolby setting in the speaker setup, I assumed that is designed for using speakers that bounce sound off the ceiling. If that's the case, it would explain why sound wouldn't be good with that setup. Yes. I had mine sitting on top of my T1s when I had that configuration. When I moved them up, everything sounded much better |
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Post by bluescale on Apr 25, 2020 20:48:52 GMT -5
When I saw the Dolby setting in the speaker setup, I assumed that is designed for using speakers that bounce sound off the ceiling. If that's the case, it would explain why sound wouldn't be good with that setup. Yes. I had mine sitting on top of my T1s when I had that configuration. When I moved them up, everything sounded much better Lol...I'm not sure why I didn't make that logical conclusion. It should have been obvious. Based on your signature, you have 3 pairs, right? Where are they installed in your room? Also, how does the included mounting bracket work? Is there 1 mount point, or multiple? Approximately how big and where on the back of the speaker are they located? |
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Post by ttocs on Apr 25, 2020 22:20:09 GMT -5
Would something like this work for the Tops? I used larger versions (8' long) of these in a photo studio with lights and softboxes mounted on the ends weighing about 15 pounds. I'm trying to figure out how speakers would attach to this, and having a very hard time picturing it. Either use a clamp ($30-$70) that is meant to attach to the boom end, or the cheap and dirty method would be to use hardware store metal "tube strap" ($1.59) screwed into the back of the speaker. The speakers would hang below the boom. Tilt is then very easy via the section locks on the booms, each section can rotate a bit.  Metal pipe mounted between two walls and stretched across the room does the same thing for even less money, but would need support help in the middle. The photo booms are pretty strong. |
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Post by megash0n on Apr 25, 2020 22:47:22 GMT -5
Yes. I had mine sitting on top of my T1s when I had that configuration. When I moved them up, everything sounded much better Lol...I'm not sure why I didn't make that logical conclusion. It should have been obvious. Based on your signature, you have 3 pairs, right? Where are they installed in your room? Also, how does the included mounting bracket work? Is there 1 mount point, or multiple? Approximately how big and where on the back of the speaker are they located? I'm only using 2 pair ATM. Two for my front heights mounted on the front wall about 8 feet up and I'm using the other pair as side surrounds. My bed is against the back wall, so rears doesn't make much sense. I have in ceiling speaker for my rear heights. |
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Post by jh714 on Apr 30, 2020 16:45:58 GMT -5
Lol...I'm not sure why I didn't make that logical conclusion. It should have been obvious. Based on your signature, you have 3 pairs, right? Where are they installed in your room? Also, how does the included mounting bracket work? Is there 1 mount point, or multiple? Approximately how big and where on the back of the speaker are they located? I'm only using 2 pair ATM. Two for my front heights mounted on the front wall about 8 feet up and I'm using the other pair as side surrounds. My bed is against the back wall, so rears doesn't make much sense. I have in ceiling speaker for my rear heights. Funny, I'm doing the same thing as bluescale - looking to move towards a 7.2.4 Atmos setup.....I just received 1 pair of A1's, beat you to the punch! But I wanted 2 pairs; could only get the one, hmmm. Anyways, my room is 16X25. the 'System' is on a 16 side. There is a 8ft Loft right above it- 7ft high. After that the room opens up to an open cathedral ceiling- 13ft high. Just to mix it up more, this room is an 'original log cabin'. So I'm trying to decide where to mount my "height" speakers. I've never heard of them referred to as 'Top' speakers. I know about setting them on my 8.3's as 'reflective' speakers....not interested. Can't anyway because the underside of the Loft is open rafters. The open ceiling I figured that I could just mount them on the angled ceiling in the spot where they aim down at the main listening area- or just behind. Thoughts? Suggestions? The front heights; I'm starting to think that I should let bluescale get them, and maybe I should use "in ceiling" speakers.... Then I need to replace my OPPO....I think. |
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Post by bluescale on Apr 30, 2020 16:52:58 GMT -5
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Post by jh714 on Apr 30, 2020 16:56:20 GMT -5
Lol...I'm not sure why I didn't make that logical conclusion. It should have been obvious. Based on your signature, you have 3 pairs, right? Where are they installed in your room? Also, how does the included mounting bracket work? Is there 1 mount point, or multiple? Approximately how big and where on the back of the speaker are they located? I'm only using 2 pair ATM. Two for my front heights mounted on the front wall about 8 feet up and I'm using the other pair as side surrounds. My bed is against the back wall, so rears doesn't make much sense. I have in ceiling speaker for my rear heights. Sorry bluescale, I meant to let you know about the mounting.... The bracket screws into the back of the speaker, high on the 'mid range' end. It is basically just a slot where you would slide the speaker over a pan head style screw. It is rather small, but then, so is the speaker. And it doesn't weight much either. |
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Post by megash0n on Apr 30, 2020 18:07:48 GMT -5
I'm only using 2 pair ATM. Two for my front heights mounted on the front wall about 8 feet up and I'm using the other pair as side surrounds. My bed is against the back wall, so rears doesn't make much sense. I have in ceiling speaker for my rear heights. Funny, I'm doing the same thing as bluescale - looking to move towards a 7.2.4 Atmos setup.....I just received 1 pair of A1's, beat you to the punch! But I wanted 2 pairs; could only get the one, hmmm. Anyways, my room is 16X25. the 'System' is on a 16 side. There is a 8ft Loft right above it- 7ft high. After that the room opens up to an open cathedral ceiling- 13ft high. Just to mix it up more, this room is an 'original log cabin'. So I'm trying to decide where to mount my "height" speakers. I've never heard of them referred to as 'Top' speakers. I know about setting them on my 8.3's as 'reflective' speakers....not interested. Can't anyway because the underside of the Loft is open rafters. The open ceiling I figured that I could just mount them on the angled ceiling in the spot where they aim down at the main listening area- or just behind. Thoughts? Suggestions? The front heights; I'm starting to think that I should let bluescale get them, and maybe I should use "in ceiling" speakers.... Then I need to replace my OPPO....I think. I'm not sure my opinion will mean anything other than just my preference between up firing with the Dolby Enabled setting and Front Heights with them mounted about 8 feet up on the wall. My rears are in the ceiling, but I still configure them as heights. From what I've gathered, "heights" works the best between Dolby and DTS immersive tracks. My system sounds so much better after the change. I don't think DTS likes anything besides heights even though they claim to support any layout. |
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Post by jh714 on May 1, 2020 12:45:51 GMT -5
   Ok, to give you a better idea... The first pic is looking forward. The main viewing area is in the foreground at the ends of the 2 couches. The second pic is looking up at that same position, showing the open ceiling. The last picture is getting up close to the 'Loft' showing the 'ceiling' above the main system. |
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Post by jh714 on May 1, 2020 12:56:50 GMT -5
Funny, I'm doing the same thing as bluescale - looking to move towards a 7.2.4 Atmos setup.....I just received 1 pair of A1's, beat you to the punch! But I wanted 2 pairs; could only get the one, hmmm. Anyways, my room is 16X25. the 'System' is on a 16 side. There is a 8ft Loft right above it- 7ft high. After that the room opens up to an open cathedral ceiling- 13ft high. Just to mix it up more, this room is an 'original log cabin'. So I'm trying to decide where to mount my "height" speakers. I've never heard of them referred to as 'Top' speakers. I know about setting them on my 8.3's as 'reflective' speakers....not interested. Can't anyway because the underside of the Loft is open rafters. The open ceiling I figured that I could just mount them on the angled ceiling in the spot where they aim down at the main listening area- or just behind. Thoughts? Suggestions? The front heights; I'm starting to think that I should let bluescale get them, and maybe I should use "in ceiling" speakers.... Then I need to replace my OPPO....I think. I'm not sure my opinion will mean anything other than just my preference between up firing with the Dolby Enabled setting and Front Heights with them mounted about 8 feet up on the wall. My rears are in the ceiling, but I still configure them as heights. From what I've gathered, "heights" works the best between Dolby and DTS immersive tracks. My system sounds so much better after the change. I don't think DTS likes anything besides heights even though they claim to support any layout. megash, the only reasons I am on this lounge is for opinions and the exchange of info!! So I appreciate everyone's opinion!! The thoughts on front heights (A1's ?) mounted all the way up on that front wall is worth some thought.... I'm still waiting for EMO to send my return shipping label so I can get my XMC-2; It's already paid for! |
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Post by ttocs on May 1, 2020 13:23:09 GMT -5
Ok, to give you a better idea... The first pic is looking forward. The main viewing area is in the foreground at the ends of the 2 couches. The second pic is looking up at that same position, showing the open ceiling. The last picture is getting up close to the 'Loft' showing the 'ceiling' above the main system. Beautiful room! If that were my room, I would install some more logs in appropriate places for supporting ATMOS speakers. It would look great, the form would follow function, and is reverse-able. This would allow the wires to be run on the tops of the support beams and then could be drilled through the speaker-mounting-logs. Further, the new supports can be "strapped" to the existing structure, and can be made out of fence posts. Frankly, one long fence post - about 9' - might be long enough to straddle the cross-beam which I assume is directly over the main viewing seating area from where the photo was taken, with the speakers can be mounted at the ends of the speaker support and they would be in the right position for ATMOS?? The speaker support would be a triangle of posts put together. |
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