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Post by scarfa21 on May 3, 2020 8:01:38 GMT -5
Hi all, I purchased some A1's and I am not really liking them on my fronts bouncing off the ceiling. Can these be mounted on the wall above the tv? I wasnt sure of placement as it doesnt state on wall above the tv area.
Thanks!!
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Post by megash0n on May 3, 2020 8:49:18 GMT -5
Hi all, I purchased some A1's and I am not really liking them on my fronts bouncing off the ceiling. Can these be mounted on the wall above the tv? I wasnt sure of placement as it doesnt state on wall above the tv area.  Thanks!! Absolutely! I did the same. I didn't like them bouncing either. I mounted them on the front wall and they sound so much better. Make sure you flip the switch on the speaker and set your heights to Front Height after the change. |
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Post by geebo on May 3, 2020 9:08:29 GMT -5
Hi all, I purchased some A1's and I am not really liking them on my fronts bouncing off the ceiling. Can these be mounted on the wall above the tv? I wasnt sure of placement as it doesnt state on wall above the tv area. Thanks!! They absolutely can be mounted on the wall and will perform better there. They even include the mounting brackets for doing just that. I started with mine on the speakers and within the first week mounted them on the wall near the ceiling and above the mains. Change the configuration in your processor to front heights. |
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Post by scarfa21 on May 3, 2020 9:16:03 GMT -5
Thanks all!!!
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Post by Percussionista on May 3, 2020 10:23:14 GMT -5
So... when re-configuring these as height speakers, how does this play with Atmos? I don't have Atmos (yet), so the speaker placement terminology is not clear to me, but am interested in these A1's for that purpose, only a 5.1.2 system from current 5.1. Smallish room 11x17, 9 foot ceilings. Can y'all describe your room characteristics and why you didn't like using them to bounce from the tops of your mains (which is my expectation, from T2+'s)? Do not want to run wires to the ceiling! I read an "official" paper somewhere sometime (yeah, vague) that indicated using the bounce method was better in small rooms.
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Post by geebo on May 3, 2020 10:49:46 GMT -5
So... when re-configuring these as height speakers, how does this play with Atmos? I don't have Atmos (yet), so the speaker placement terminology is not clear to me, but am interested in these A1's for that purpose, only a 5.1.2 system from current 5.1. Smallish room 11x17, 9 foot ceilings. Can y'all describe your room characteristics and why you didn't like using them to bounce from the tops of your mains (which is my expectation, from T2+'s)? Do not want to run wires to the ceiling! I read an "official" paper somewhere sometime (yeah, vague) that indicated using the bounce method was better in small rooms.
First thing is that they be set up as Dolby Enabled Front when placed on top of the main speakers. This can give the illusion of speakers mounted at the ceiling to varying degrees depending on ceiling height and reflectivity. But it won't give the same result as actually mounting them at the ceiling and configured as Front Heights. I liked the results I got with them on the tops of my front speakers but soon realized I could make it better by moving them up the wall so that's what I did and I like it even more. |
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Post by megash0n on May 3, 2020 10:52:33 GMT -5
So... when re-configuring these as height speakers, how does this play with Atmos? I don't have Atmos (yet), so the speaker placement terminology is not clear to me, but am interested in these A1's for that purpose, only a 5.1.2 system from current 5.1. Smallish room 11x17, 9 foot ceilings. Can y'all describe your room characteristics and why you didn't like using them to bounce from the tops of your mains (which is my expectation, from T2+'s)? Do not want to run wires to the ceiling! I read an "official" paper somewhere sometime (yeah, vague) that indicated using the bounce method was better in small rooms.
First thing is that they be set up as Dolby Enabled Front when placed on top of the main speakers. This can give the illusion of speakers mounted at the ceiling to varying degrees depending on ceiling height and reflectivity. But it won't give the same result as actually mounting them at the ceiling and configured as Front Heights. I liked the results I got with them on the tops of my front speakers but soon realized I could make it better by moving them up the wall so that's what I did and I like it even more. I agree. Dolby Enabled just means they are up firing. It doesn't make them "work with atmos". Move them up the wall and set to Front Heights. Redo your levels, etc. You will like the way that sounds I'd bet. |
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Post by geebo on May 3, 2020 11:02:28 GMT -5
First thing is that they be set up as Dolby Enabled Front when placed on top of the main speakers. This can give the illusion of speakers mounted at the ceiling to varying degrees depending on ceiling height and reflectivity. But it won't give the same result as actually mounting them at the ceiling and configured as Front Heights. I liked the results I got with them on the tops of my front speakers but soon realized I could make it better by moving them up the wall so that's what I did and I like it even more. I agree. Dolby Enabled just means they are up firing. It doesn't make them "work with atmos". Move them up the wall and set to Front Heights. Redo your levels, etc. You will like the way that sounds I'd bet. Well it technically does activate Atmos and does send some height info to those speakers but not with the same effect as mounting them up high. |
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Post by megash0n on May 3, 2020 11:04:11 GMT -5
I agree. Dolby Enabled just means they are up firing. It doesn't make them "work with atmos". Move them up the wall and set to Front Heights. Redo your levels, etc. You will like the way that sounds I'd bet. Well it technically does activate Atmos and does send some height info to those speakers but not with the same effect as mounting them up high. Yes.. Of course. I'm sorry I worded it the way I did. What I meant was that the setting itself isn't the only option that allows atmos to work. They all do is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by Percussionista on May 3, 2020 11:16:46 GMT -5
First thing is that they be set up as Dolby Enabled Front when placed on top of the main speakers. This can give the illusion of speakers mounted at the ceiling to varying degrees depending on ceiling height and reflectivity. But it won't give the same result as actually mounting them at the ceiling and configured as Front Heights. I liked the results I got with them on the tops of my front speakers but soon realized I could make it better by moving them up the wall so that's what I did and I like it even more. I agree. Dolby Enabled just means they are up firing. It doesn't make them "work with atmos". Move them up the wall and set to Front Heights. Redo your levels, etc. You will like the way that sounds I'd bet. So, it seems that this doesn't do what I'm thinking about (though may sound great ;-)) I currently have a 5.1 system. I am contemplating moving to a basic Atmos system, just two extra speakers, and getting an XMC-2 (with Dirac already loaded/tested) for that purpose, and hopefully even better/clearer sonics (dialog in particular). The more classic approach for Atmos is to put these extra speakers in an array on the ceiling to smooth out transitions from front to back, giving a more 3D sonic effect. For what has been recommended in this thread, I can see mounting a pair of speakers high up on the front wall, above the speakers and TV, but that doesn't seem to give me Atmos appropriate placement of room-middle-and-high sound.
SVS sells an angled speaker that is well reputed that is designed for multiple placements, including high up on the side walls, angled down, to accomplish Atmos enhanced sound et. al., but I'm also trying to stay within similar technology. I have noticed with the T2+'s and C2+ much better integration of front sound over my previous Vandersteen fronts (admittedly the center was their smallest and possibly due to the height of the 3A fronts, was more difficult to integrate the sound coming from high 3A drivers to much lower center drivers).
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Post by geebo on May 3, 2020 12:10:39 GMT -5
I agree. Dolby Enabled just means they are up firing. It doesn't make them "work with atmos". Move them up the wall and set to Front Heights. Redo your levels, etc. You will like the way that sounds I'd bet. So, it seems that this doesn't do what I'm thinking about (though may sound great ;-)) I currently have a 5.1 system. I am contemplating moving to a basic Atmos system, just two extra speakers, and getting an XMC-2 (with Dirac already loaded/tested) for that purpose, and hopefully even better/clearer sonics (dialog in particular). The more classic approach for Atmos is to put these extra speakers in an array on the ceiling to smooth out transitions from front to back, giving a more 3D sonic effect. For what has been recommended in this thread, I can see mounting a pair of speakers high up on the front wall, above the speakers and TV, but that doesn't seem to give me Atmos appropriate placement of room-middle-and-high sound. SVS sells an angled speaker that is well reputed that is designed for multiple placements, including high up on the side walls, angled down, to accomplish Atmos enhanced sound et. al., but I'm also trying to stay within similar technology. I have noticed with the T2+'s and C2+ much better integration of front sound over my previous Vandersteen fronts (admittedly the center was their smallest and possibly due to the height of the 3A fronts, was more difficult to integrate the sound coming from high 3A drivers to much lower center drivers).
It's not so much the speaker as much as it is the physics of sound propagation. The SVS are great speakers but they cannot do what speakers actually mounted high on the wall or ceiling can accomplish. The A1's also include special grills for reflective use as well as a switch to adjust the frequency response accordingly. Putting Atmos speakers on top of other speakers is a compromised albeit simple inexpensive solution that may work for you. |
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Post by Percussionista on May 3, 2020 14:31:16 GMT -5
It's not so much the speaker as much as it is the physics of sound propagation. The SVS are great speakers but they cannot do what speakers actually mounted high on the wall or ceiling can accomplish. The A1's also include special grills for reflective use as well as a switch to adjust the frequency response accordingly. Putting Atmos speakers on top of other speakers is a compromised albeit simple inexpensive solution that may work for you. Yes, well I'm pondering. Those SVS speakers are actually usually shown high up on the wall (side wall), in fact at the juncture of the wall and ceiling, and they fire down at an angle. If the A1's can be mounted similarly, high up on the side walls near the ceiling, firing down angled into the room, then that may be an attainable solution for better acoustics rather than just putting them on top of the T2+'s. We still haven't ordered acoustic dampening panels (bass traps, absorption panels), but have picked out what we intend to do, so I would be factoring in the placement of side firing-down-angle speakers w.r.t. those as well. Spending most of my design brain time on a large raised bed veggie garden, et. al., right now ;-) |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 3, 2020 15:23:38 GMT -5
It's not so much the speaker as much as it is the physics of sound propagation. The SVS are great speakers but they cannot do what speakers actually mounted high on the wall or ceiling can accomplish. The A1's also include special grills for reflective use as well as a switch to adjust the frequency response accordingly. Putting Atmos speakers on top of other speakers is a compromised albeit simple inexpensive solution that may work for you. Yes, well I'm pondering. Those SVS speakers are actually usually shown high up on the wall (side wall), in fact at the juncture of the wall and ceiling, and they fire down at an angle. If the A1's can be mounted similarly, high up on the side walls near the ceiling, firing down angled into the room, then that may be an attainable solution for better acoustics rather than just putting them on top of the T2+'s. We still haven't ordered acoustic dampening panels (bass traps, absorption panels), but have picked out what we intend to do, so I would be factoring in the placement of side firing-down-angle speakers w.r.t. those as well. Spending most of my design brain time on a large raised bed veggie garden, et. al., right now ;-) I've talked with a couple of SVS employees and you are right, they say most of there customers are using them as front and rear height speakers as they were primarily designed as a full-range height effect speakers, not to mention they come with the specific mounting brackets for doing just that. They have worked quite well in my 7.2.4 setup. They also recommend setting the cross-over at 80hz |
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Post by geebo on May 3, 2020 15:40:24 GMT -5
It's not so much the speaker as much as it is the physics of sound propagation. The SVS are great speakers but they cannot do what speakers actually mounted high on the wall or ceiling can accomplish. The A1's also include special grills for reflective use as well as a switch to adjust the frequency response accordingly. Putting Atmos speakers on top of other speakers is a compromised albeit simple inexpensive solution that may work for you. Yes, well I'm pondering. Those SVS speakers are actually usually shown high up on the wall (side wall), in fact at the juncture of the wall and ceiling, and they fire down at an angle. If the A1's can be mounted similarly, high up on the side walls near the ceiling, firing down angled into the room, then that may be an attainable solution for better acoustics rather than just putting them on top of the T2+'s. We still haven't ordered acoustic dampening panels (bass traps, absorption panels), but have picked out what we intend to do, so I would be factoring in the placement of side firing-down-angle speakers w.r.t. those as well. Spending most of my design brain time on a large raised bed veggie garden, et. al., right now ;-) They are meant to be either placed on top of speakers with the additional supplied grill or mounted as you say on the wall at the juncture of the ceiling and their angled face with the normal grill will point downward at about 30 degrees or so. Brackets for doing so are included but you'll need a suitable wall anchor. |
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