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Post by marcl on Feb 19, 2024 16:10:56 GMT -5
Just bought three of these to put in a little box. Split L/R at 50Hz, highs go to the Magnepan 3.7 Fronts, sum the lows and send them to subs separate from the processor Bass Management so Fronts stay Large. Split C at 200Hz, highs to the Magnepan CCR mid-ribbon and lows to two Dynamic Bass Modules ... then set C=Small crossing to Bass Management at 50Hz. With Fronts=Large and Center Sub=LFE, all Bass Management goes to the Fronts. This is lining me up for a plan to replace my subs with two Open Baffle Dipoles this year. And if hell freezes over ... DLBC!   |
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Post by webmst007 on Feb 19, 2024 23:04:36 GMT -5
Just bought three of these to put in a little box. Split L/R at 50Hz, highs go to the Magnepan 3.7 Fronts, sum the lows and send them to subs separate from the processor Bass Management so Fronts stay Large. Split C at 200Hz, highs to the Magnepan CCR mid-ribbon and lows to two Dynamic Bass Modules ... then set C=Small crossing to Bass Management at 50Hz. With Fronts=Large and Center Sub=LFE, all Bass Management goes to the Fronts. This is lining me up for a plan to replace my subs with two Open Baffle Dipoles this year. And if hell freezes over ... DLBC! View Attachmentwhere did you get those from Marc ? that looks like a great little unit. |
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Post by thezone on Feb 20, 2024 4:54:37 GMT -5
AUDIOPHONICS HPA-T400ET Power Amplifier Class D 3 Channels Purifi 1ET400A 3x400W 4 OhmI bought one of these, hooked it up to my Dynaudio Contour S3.4's and switched the XMC-2 into Reference Stereo mode. Holy cow. 425w @ 4ohms. The punch and detail of this combo is phenomenal. The sound just fills the room and it's clean and punchy and the bass, omg, it sounds like theres a sub when ......................wait there's no sub, just two speakers???
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Post by marcl on Feb 20, 2024 6:23:57 GMT -5
Just bought three of these to put in a little box. Split L/R at 50Hz, highs go to the Magnepan 3.7 Fronts, sum the lows and send them to subs separate from the processor Bass Management so Fronts stay Large. Split C at 200Hz, highs to the Magnepan CCR mid-ribbon and lows to two Dynamic Bass Modules ... then set C=Small crossing to Bass Management at 50Hz. With Fronts=Large and Center Sub=LFE, all Bass Management goes to the Fronts. This is lining me up for a plan to replace my subs with two Open Baffle Dipoles this year. And if hell freezes over ... DLBC! View Attachmentwhere did you get those from Marc ? that looks like a great little unit. It was tough to find a simple analog active solution. I found my way here ... www.xkitz.com/collectionsAnd they also had a link to this packaged solution ... sublimeacoustic.com/products/k231-stereo-3-way-active-crossover |
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Post by ottaone on Feb 20, 2024 22:50:25 GMT -5
Received my Pulse Elite cans a few hours ago (thanks Costco and UPS) and I'm impressed so far. Listened to it through iPhone and Bluetooth and now via older Mac Air and Playlink USB dongle. Trying to "A/B" test against my Hifiman 400i via USB out to Schiit Modi+Magni and I can't say that I hear major differences between Pulse Elite and Hifiman. Main use case for me for buying the Pulse even if I'm not a gamer (yet) is for wireless listening to music. I've been using my AirPods Pro for about two years but I'd like something better. I'm also picking up an older AT mx50BT this weekend for use when walking with the dog. |
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Post by LuisV on Feb 20, 2024 23:44:40 GMT -5
Been using Eley garden hose quick disconnects, spray nozzles and y-fittings for the last 5 years, so I finally bit the bullet and purchased one of their hose reels during their last sales event. Delivered 3 days after ordering and it was extremely simply to put together. Build quality is superb. My only complaint... I wish I made this purchase years ago.  That’s the best one I’ve seen by far but have you tried this?
I got so tired of the whole reel deal that I opted for a simpler solution the first one I tried blew after two seasons, but it wasn’t a “Joey‘s” this one works great and gathers up into a little pile of nothing when you’re done…… Liberation is very sweet, and I wash my car more often lol EDIT (Photo says 50 foot) but I actually bought the hundred foot guy! …… and there is something else regarding these expandable hoses. Make sure whichever one you get is at least 25 feet longer or 50 than you think you need because the length when they expand is the biggest lie going! The hundred foot I bought now is shorter when fully extended than the 50 or 75 foot guy that I bought previously it’s all about how they stretch when you’re ready for the job Unfortunately I haven't had any luck with those coil types hoses... they either leaked badly at the fittings or pinholes somehow formed. Probably due to user error and or abuse, but after each use we disconnected them from the hose bib, allowed them to "coil" back up on their own and then placed them into a 5 gallon bucket until they were needed again. I also had one of the green Flexzilla hoses; besides being prone to kinking, it became a moldy mess after a few months. I currently have two 50' rubber hoses that have lasted approx. 4 years without issue... one Continental and the other is a Craftsman; both purchased through Amazon; however, they are no longer available. Except during extreme weather, they have been left outside for the last 4 years in the hot and humid Florida weather. My only regret... I wish I purchased the 75' or 100' instead of the 50'. |
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Post by KeithL on Feb 20, 2024 23:51:24 GMT -5
I'm not a big yard buy... but their hoses and spoolers look very nice...
I had one of those "super flex spring" hoses that lasted about three uses before one of the end fittings fell off... (Now I have a really cheap regular hose that kinks all the time... but that's OK since I use it about a half dozen times a year.)
Something else I would note about the spring hoses... While they're sort of convenient to carry and store... If they get dragged through the mud they're almost impossible to wipe off (because they crinkle when they spring back)... You need to sort of wipe them while they're still under pressure... then make sure they don't go through any mud when they "retract"...
That’s the best one I’ve seen by far but have you tried this? I got so tired of the whole reel deal that I opted for a simpler solution the first one I tried blew after two seasons, but it wasn’t a “Joey‘s” this one works great and gathers up into a little pile of nothing when you’re done…… Liberation is very sweet, and I wash my car more often lol EDIT (Photo says 50 foot) but I actually bought the hundred foot guy! …… and there is something else regarding these expandable hoses. Make sure whichever one you get is at least 25 feet longer or 50 than you think you need because the length when they expand is the biggest lie going! The hundred foot I bought now is shorter when fully extended than the 50 or 75 foot guy that I bought previously it’s all about how they stretch when you’re ready for the job Unfortunately I haven't had any luck with those coil types hoses... they either leaked badly at the fittings or pinholes somehow formed. Probably due to user error and or abuse, but after each use we disconnected them from the hose bib, allowed them to "coil" back up on their own and then placed them into a 5 gallon bucket until they were needed again. I also had one of the green Flexzilla hoses; besides being prone to kinking, it became a moldy mess after a few months. I currently have two 50' rubber hoses that have lasted approx. 4 years without issue... one Continental and the other is a Craftsman; both purchased through Amazon; however, they are no longer available. Except during extreme weather, they have been left outside for the last 4 years in the hot and humid Florida weather. My only regret... I wish I purchased the 75' or 100' instead of the 50'. |
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Post by thezone on Feb 21, 2024 2:21:55 GMT -5
Yes that Buckeye one would perform similar to the Audiophoncs, its just that the Audiophonics case is way nicer with a nice, illuminated button on the front and heat sinks and where I live, they were similar priced once delivered due to horrible exchange rates. I bought the Buckeye 6ch Hypex for the remaining speakers. My previous amps were Emotiva PA-1 monoblocks with the Ice modules, which sounded nice but now I realize lack the pure grunt of the Purifi. |
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Post by 405x5 on Feb 21, 2024 7:31:26 GMT -5
That’s the best one I’ve seen by far but have you tried this?
I got so tired of the whole reel deal that I opted for a simpler solution the first one I tried blew after two seasons, but it wasn’t a “Joey‘s” this one works great and gathers up into a little pile of nothing when you’re done…… Liberation is very sweet, and I wash my car more often lol EDIT (Photo says 50 foot) but I actually bought the hundred foot guy! …… and there is something else regarding these expandable hoses. Make sure whichever one you get is at least 25 feet longer or 50 than you think you need because the length when they expand is the biggest lie going! The hundred foot I bought now is shorter when fully extended than the 50 or 75 foot guy that I bought previously it’s all about how they stretch when you’re ready for the job Unfortunately I haven't had any luck with those coil types hoses... they either leaked badly at the fittings or pinholes somehow formed. Probably due to user error and or abuse, but after each use we disconnected them from the hose bib, allowed them to "coil" back up on their own and then placed them into a 5 gallon bucket until they were needed again. I also had one of the green Flexzilla hoses; besides being prone to kinking, it became a moldy mess after a few months. I currently have two 50' rubber hoses that have lasted approx. 4 years without issue... one Continental and the other is a Craftsman; both purchased through Amazon; however, they are no longer available. Except during extreme weather, they have been left outside for the last 4 years in the hot and humid Florida weather. My only regret... I wish I purchased the 75' or 100' instead of the 50'. I have one of those rubber hoses from craftsman also. Interesting that they are no longer available though not surprising given what’s happened to Sears. In terms of longevity it’s the best hose I have and as a hot water hose… That’s something you can’t do with any hose for outdoor use. when you have a screw loose like me and you’re gonna clean that car against all odds and weather, that’s the hose to have and I hook it up to my hot water tank lol try that with the expandable hose… Explosion is what you’ll have. I replace the fittings on it once, and that’s cool. You can just cut it on the ends it with brass fittings and you’re good to go for every day. The expandable is my way to go, but I won’t be without one of these. |
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Post by webmst007 on Feb 21, 2024 8:53:23 GMT -5
Marc what do your Maggie's drop to ??
3 or 2 ohms when in use?
My panels drop too so I'm more interested in the NCX and Purifi 9040 module than the standard. There's a new version due this year but I can't see it getting better to the point it's significant except if you run speaker designs that drop impedance really low.
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Post by marcl on Feb 21, 2024 9:16:18 GMT -5
Marc what do your Maggie's drop to ?? 3 or 2 ohms when in use? My panels drop too so I'm more interested in the NCX and Purifi 9040 module than the standard. There's a new version due this year but I can't see it getting better to the point it's significant except if you run speaker designs that drop impedance really low. Based on any measurements I've ever seen, Maggies are a pretty flat resistive load at the nominal impedance. So that's 4 ohms for nearly all of them ... except 3 ohms for the CC5 and CCR centers. I've never measured it .... but I have no reason to believe it drops substantially. I'm using a Nord One NC500 Hypex stereo amp for my 3.7 pair. I have a Nord Three monoblock 7040 Purifi amp for my CCR center. For the past year I had the center configured with two DWMs wired in parallel (2 ohms) with the high pass output of one of them feeding the CCR. It ran fine with this 2 ohm load for the past year and I measured very little temperature rise on the case in heavy use. Maybe 8 degrees F above room ambient. A couple weeks ago I changed the arrangement to drive the CCR directly from the Nord Three. I'm currently using Bass Management in the XMC-2 to send <200Hz to the large Fronts. When I build this 2-way active crossover I'll use it to cross from the CCR to the DWMs at 200Hz, then use Bass Management to cross from the DWMs to the Fronts at 50-60Hz. I'll drive the DWMs with other amp channels I have (a couple options). Mick rebuilt my MC1's with foil and dropped the impedance to 3.5 ohms. This was an experiment to improve the overall sound and try to fix a drop in bass response. It was partially successful, but it seems the MC1s have a clearance issue and "bark" at some low frequencies ... so they have been retired to low volume use in the bedroom. |
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Post by webmst007 on Feb 21, 2024 16:37:29 GMT -5
With Keith's post regarding the G4P release schedule I assume the expansion modules are a 24 Q3 or Q4 release. This may alter my purchasing and I may get a minidsp to replace the venue360 for sub management when the G4P release happens. So I can't remember but I think you're running a XMC unit. If that's the case will you look to move up to a G4P unit you can add expansion to in order to eventually try multiple sub outs with Dirac?
Sorry - typo in the last post - I meant the 7040 ( the 9040 was a reference to the proposed new release Purify amp coming this year). Do you like the 7040? Fyi there's a couple of TI- based diy designs I'm tracking and might try a couple of builds this year.
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Post by KeithL on Feb 21, 2024 19:40:27 GMT -5
I think I need to offer a bit of clarification on what you're proposing... and you'll need to follow along carefully.
Based on the latest information I have: 1. We absolutely DO expect to release the new processors on or about June of this year (for the smart alecks in the bunch that would be June 2024).. 2. We absolutely DO expect to have the DLBC hooks in place (which means that you will be able to buy DLBC for them). 3. It is also almost certain that the Subwoofer Expansion Module WILL NOT be available at that time (I don't have a firm date for when it will be available).
And, as far as I know (and we're assuming), miniDSP IS going to have a unit that can run four subs, and that can support DLBC as well, available before then.
Now here's the thing...
ASSUMING that you were to purchase a miniDSP, to run multiple subs, using DLBC... (which you would need to license on the miniDSP)... You would be connecting the input of that miniDSP to a single sub output on the processor... And you would then be connecting all of your subs to outputs on the miniDSP.
(Regardless of how many sub outputs you use on the processor there is only one LFE /sub output channel - unless you split bass management and LFE.) (The old XMC-1 supported Stereo subs, for just Bass Management, but the current processors, and - as far as I know - the new ones, will not.) (Remember that Dolby only supplies and expects a single "LFE channel" for home equipment.)
So, since the miniDSP would be managing the subs, using DLBC, YOU WOULD NOT NEED DLBC ON THE PROCESSOR. And, since the processor includes its own license for Dirac Live, there would be no need to pay for any Dirac licenses on the processor.
Dirac has suggested that, in addition to managing multiple subs, DLBC will do more work towards "integrating all of your subs with all of your speakers".
However, assuming that you are using a miniDSP, and allowing it to "combine all of your subs into one virtual sub" using DLBC... There would be little if any purpose to also licensing DLBC on the processor...
For one thing, DLBC on the processor would not "be able to access each individual physical subwoofer, since they have already been combined into "a single virtual sub".
And, for another thing, it simply does NOT seem like a good idea to try to "stack" copies of DLBC on two different devices. It seems like it would be far more likely to work well if you ran DLBC on the miniDSP and "regular Dirac Live" on the processor.
If you were inclined to go this way... I would ABSOLUTELY try that before paying for ANOTHER DLBC license for the processor. And, at that point, you would also have no reason to purchase the Subwoofer Expansion Module when it becomes available either.
(You would basically be using the miniDSP in place of the Subwoofer Expansion Module... and running DLBC there instead of on the processor.)
(I suspect that you'll get most, if not all, of the benefits of both... and save quite a bit of money... that way.) (I believe that the miniDSP will also throw in some other features that you might enjoy experimenting with.... )
With Keith's post regarding the G4P release schedule I assume the expansion modules are a 24 Q3 or Q4 release. This may alter my purchasing and I may get a minidsp to replace the venue360 for sub management when the G4P release happens. So I can't remember but I think you're running a XMC unit. If that's the case will you look to move up to a G4P unit you can add expansion to in order to eventually try multiple sub outs with Dirac? Sorry - typo in the last post - I meant the 7040 ( the 9040 was a reference to the proposed new release Purify amp coming this year). Do you like the 7040? Fyi there's a couple of TI- based diy designs I'm tracking and might try a couple of builds this year. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 21, 2024 20:54:09 GMT -5
I think I need to offer a bit of clarification on what you're proposing... and you'll need to follow along carefully.
Based on the latest information I have: 1. We absolutely DO expect to release the new processors on or about June of this year (for the smart alecks in the bunch that would be June 2024).. 2. We absolutely DO expect to have the DLBC hooks in place (which means that you will be able to buy DLBC for them). 3. It is also almost certain that the Subwoofer Expansion Module WILL NOT be available at that time (I don't have a firm date for when it will be available).
And, as far as I know (and we're assuming), miniDSP IS going to have a unit that can run four subs, and that can support DLBC as well, available before then.
Now here's the thing...
ASSUMING that you were to purchase a miniDSP, to run multiple subs, using DLBC... (which you would need to license on the miniDSP)... You would be connecting the input of that miniDSP to a single sub output on the processor... And you would then be connecting all of your subs to outputs on the miniDSP.
(Regardless of how many sub outputs you use on the processor there is only one LFE /sub output channel - unless you split bass management and LFE.) (The old XMC-1 supported Stereo subs, for just Bass Management, but the current processors, and - as far as I know - the new ones, will not.) (Remember that Dolby only supplies and expects a single "LFE channel" for home equipment.)
So, since the miniDSP would be managing the subs, using DLBC, YOU WOULD NOT NEED DLBC ON THE PROCESSOR. And, since the processor includes its own license for Dirac Live, there would be no need to pay for any Dirac licenses on the processor.
Dirac has suggested that, in addition to managing multiple subs, DLBC will do more work towards "integrating all of your subs with all of your speakers".
However, assuming that you are using a miniDSP, and allowing it to "combine all of your subs into one virtual sub" using DLBC... There would be little if any purpose to also licensing DLBC on the processor...
For one thing, DLBC on the processor would not "be able to access each individual physical subwoofer, since they have already been combined into "a single virtual sub".
And, for another thing, it simply does NOT seem like a good idea to try to "stack" copies of DLBC on two different devices. It seems like it would be far more likely to work well if you ran DLBC on the miniDSP and "regular Dirac Live" on the processor.
If you were inclined to go this way... I would ABSOLUTELY try that before paying for ANOTHER DLBC license for the processor. And, at that point, you would also have no reason to purchase the Subwoofer Expansion Module when it becomes available either.
(You would basically be using the miniDSP in place of the Subwoofer Expansion Module... and running DLBC there instead of on the processor.)
(I suspect that you'll get most, if not all, of the benefits of both... and save quite a bit of money... that way.) (I believe that the miniDSP will also throw in some other features that you might enjoy experimenting with.... )
With Keith's post regarding the G4P release schedule I assume the expansion modules are a 24 Q3 or Q4 release. This may alter my purchasing and I may get a minidsp to replace the venue360 for sub management when the G4P release happens. So I can't remember but I think you're running a XMC unit. If that's the case will you look to move up to a G4P unit you can add expansion to in order to eventually try multiple sub outs with Dirac? Sorry - typo in the last post - I meant the 7040 ( the 9040 was a reference to the proposed new release Purify amp coming this year). Do you like the 7040? Fyi there's a couple of TI- based diy designs I'm tracking and might try a couple of builds this year. Thanks for the update Keith. Sounds like good news. |
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Post by marcl on Feb 21, 2024 21:14:48 GMT -5
With Keith's post regarding the G4P release schedule I assume the expansion modules are a 24 Q3 or Q4 release. This may alter my purchasing and I may get a minidsp to replace the venue360 for sub management when the G4P release happens. So I can't remember but I think you're running a XMC unit. If that's the case will you look to move up to a G4P unit you can add expansion to in order to eventually try multiple sub outs with Dirac? Sorry - typo in the last post - I meant the 7040 ( the 9040 was a reference to the proposed new release Purify amp coming this year). Do you like the 7040? Fyi there's a couple of TI- based diy designs I'm tracking and might try a couple of builds this year. Funny ... I typed 9040 when I first posted then looked it up and remembered I had the 7040. So yes I think the 7040 has performed really well. As I said, driving a 2 ohm load for the past year with no issues. And when I first put it in use for the center channel I do believe it sounded better than the PA-1 ICEPower amp that it replaced. Honestly, lots of people make very definitive statements about amps, but I don't think it's that easy. In this case being a center channel I noticed tonality of vocals and the dynamic range. Yes I have the XMC-2. As for G4P ... I don't think I have a reason to upgrade unless they do DLBC. And I will likely stick with two subs, as I'm planning on building a pair of the GR Research OB Dipoles I don't think I'll need to do more than two in my situation. |
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Post by marcl on Feb 21, 2024 21:25:46 GMT -5
I think I need to offer a bit of clarification on what you're proposing... and you'll need to follow along carefully.
Based on the latest information I have: 1. We absolutely DO expect to release the new processors on or about June of this year (for the smart alecks in the bunch that would be June 2024).. 2. We absolutely DO expect to have the DLBC hooks in place (which means that you will be able to buy DLBC for them). 3. It is also almost certain that the Subwoofer Expansion Module WILL NOT be available at that time (I don't have a firm date for when it will be available).
And, as far as I know (and we're assuming), miniDSP IS going to have a unit that can run four subs, and that can support DLBC as well, available before then.
Now here's the thing...
ASSUMING that you were to purchase a miniDSP, to run multiple subs, using DLBC... (which you would need to license on the miniDSP)... You would be connecting the input of that miniDSP to a single sub output on the processor... And you would then be connecting all of your subs to outputs on the miniDSP.
(Regardless of how many sub outputs you use on the processor there is only one LFE /sub output channel - unless you split bass management and LFE.) (The old XMC-1 supported Stereo subs, for just Bass Management, but the current processors, and - as far as I know - the new ones, will not.) (Remember that Dolby only supplies and expects a single "LFE channel" for home equipment.)
So, since the miniDSP would be managing the subs, using DLBC, YOU WOULD NOT NEED DLBC ON THE PROCESSOR. And, since the processor includes its own license for Dirac Live, there would be no need to pay for any Dirac licenses on the processor.
Dirac has suggested that, in addition to managing multiple subs, DLBC will do more work towards "integrating all of your subs with all of your speakers".
However, assuming that you are using a miniDSP, and allowing it to "combine all of your subs into one virtual sub" using DLBC... There would be little if any purpose to also licensing DLBC on the processor...
For one thing, DLBC on the processor would not "be able to access each individual physical subwoofer, since they have already been combined into "a single virtual sub".
And, for another thing, it simply does NOT seem like a good idea to try to "stack" copies of DLBC on two different devices. It seems like it would be far more likely to work well if you ran DLBC on the miniDSP and "regular Dirac Live" on the processor.
If you were inclined to go this way... I would ABSOLUTELY try that before paying for ANOTHER DLBC license for the processor. And, at that point, you would also have no reason to purchase the Subwoofer Expansion Module when it becomes available either.
(You would basically be using the miniDSP in place of the Subwoofer Expansion Module... and running DLBC there instead of on the processor.)
(I suspect that you'll get most, if not all, of the benefits of both... and save quite a bit of money... that way.) (I believe that the miniDSP will also throw in some other features that you might enjoy experimenting with.... )
With Keith's post regarding the G4P release schedule I assume the expansion modules are a 24 Q3 or Q4 release. This may alter my purchasing and I may get a minidsp to replace the venue360 for sub management when the G4P release happens. So I can't remember but I think you're running a XMC unit. If that's the case will you look to move up to a G4P unit you can add expansion to in order to eventually try multiple sub outs with Dirac? Sorry - typo in the last post - I meant the 7040 ( the 9040 was a reference to the proposed new release Purify amp coming this year). Do you like the 7040? Fyi there's a couple of TI- based diy designs I'm tracking and might try a couple of builds this year. There's a lot in what you say that makes sense except for a HUGE thing: DLBC does not ONLY apply to the subs. This is huge. DLBC does phase correction between pairs of speakers and between them and the subs. DLBC handles the crossovers for small speakers. You can't do Dirac Live in the processor for the small speakers and DLBC in an outboard miniDSP fed by a single output from the processor and running four subs. It would do "something" but a significant part of the benefit of DLBC would be impossible. DLBC has to work with ALL of the speakers in the same box. It can't work like an outboard miniDSP. Sorry I think I just said the same thing three times ... but, like ... it's THAT big a deal. |
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Post by ttocs on Feb 21, 2024 21:42:25 GMT -5
I think I need to offer a bit of clarification on what you're proposing... and you'll need to follow along carefully.
Based on the latest information I have: 1. We absolutely DO expect to release the new processors on or about June of this year (for the smart alecks in the bunch that would be June 2024).. 2. We absolutely DO expect to have the DLBC hooks in place (which means that you will be able to buy DLBC for them). 3. It is also almost certain that the Subwoofer Expansion Module WILL NOT be available at that time (I don't have a firm date for when it will be available).
And, as far as I know (and we're assuming), miniDSP IS going to have a unit that can run four subs, and that can support DLBC as well, available before then.
Now here's the thing...
ASSUMING that you were to purchase a miniDSP, to run multiple subs, using DLBC... (which you would need to license on the miniDSP)... You would be connecting the input of that miniDSP to a single sub output on the processor... And you would then be connecting all of your subs to outputs on the miniDSP.
(Regardless of how many sub outputs you use on the processor there is only one LFE /sub output channel - unless you split bass management and LFE.) (The old XMC-1 supported Stereo subs, for just Bass Management, but the current processors, and - as far as I know - the new ones, will not.) (Remember that Dolby only supplies and expects a single "LFE channel" for home equipment.)
So, since the miniDSP would be managing the subs, using DLBC, YOU WOULD NOT NEED DLBC ON THE PROCESSOR. And, since the processor includes its own license for Dirac Live, there would be no need to pay for any Dirac licenses on the processor.
Dirac has suggested that, in addition to managing multiple subs, DLBC will do more work towards "integrating all of your subs with all of your speakers".
However, assuming that you are using a miniDSP, and allowing it to "combine all of your subs into one virtual sub" using DLBC... There would be little if any purpose to also licensing DLBC on the processor...
For one thing, DLBC on the processor would not "be able to access each individual physical subwoofer, since they have already been combined into "a single virtual sub".
And, for another thing, it simply does NOT seem like a good idea to try to "stack" copies of DLBC on two different devices. It seems like it would be far more likely to work well if you ran DLBC on the miniDSP and "regular Dirac Live" on the processor.
If you were inclined to go this way... I would ABSOLUTELY try that before paying for ANOTHER DLBC license for the processor. And, at that point, you would also have no reason to purchase the Subwoofer Expansion Module when it becomes available either.
(You would basically be using the miniDSP in place of the Subwoofer Expansion Module... and running DLBC there instead of on the processor.)
(I suspect that you'll get most, if not all, of the benefits of both... and save quite a bit of money... that way.) (I believe that the miniDSP will also throw in some other features that you might enjoy experimenting with.... )
There's a lot in what you say that makes sense except for a HUGE thing: DLBC does not ONLY apply to the subs. This is huge. DLBC does phase correction between pairs of speakers and between them and the subs. DLBC handles the crossovers for small speakers. You can't do Dirac Live in the processor for the small speakers and DLBC in an outboard miniDSP fed by a single output from the processor and running four subs. It would do "something" but a significant part of the benefit of DLBC would be impossible. DLBC has to work with ALL of the speakers in the same box. It can't work like an outboard miniDSP. Sorry I think I just said the same thing three times ... but, like ... it's THAT big a deal. This is also my understanding. Dirac with DLBC is a single-box solution. As such, the expansion modules for the Plus processors will be very important. |
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Post by ttocs on Feb 21, 2024 21:49:00 GMT -5
And, as far as I know (and we're assuming), miniDSP IS going to have a unit that can run four subs, and that can support DLBC as well, available before then. This is a statement from miniDSP that I've posted elsewhere, but applies here. " DLBC will align that main speaker pair in the crossover region for all subs. In other words, you can get clarification on the most typical question we get: Why don't you get us a MultiSUB processor with DLBC for subs only?... It's simply not possible as it would require all your other speakers to be processed by Dirac." Whatever miniDSP is releasing soon will be outputting signals for subwoofers and speakers with the crossovers being handled inside the miniDSP box by DLBC. |
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Post by thezone on Feb 22, 2024 1:15:54 GMT -5
Marantz Cinema 30
 So I learned that the new Marantz Cinema 30 was coming to Australia with only 15 in the first shipment and I was offered one of the last 2 left, so.................I bought it. Sorry Emo.................... I haven't bailed completely on my XMC-2, but I figure given the XMC-2+ is most likely not going to offer any more sound improvements over my 'still not quite right' XMC-2, I can at least try something else out that's not an Anthem (as Anthem to me just looks like a more expensive possibly overpriced Emotiva) and this will give me access to ESS sabre dacs, all the room corrections I can poke a stick at including DLBC and 4 sub woofer outputs from day one and internal amps that can be completely disconnected. And tbh, if I really don't like it, it will be easy to get rid of being the flagship Marantz AVR. Although TBH, I now feel liberated, like I dont have to visit this forum everyday like I have for the past 9 months, hoping, waiting for news on when the new + models will come and what they will offer. It's like I'm no longer tied to the Emo hamster wheel of let downs (otherwise known as trade ins). Hmmmmm, gotta love those first world problems................... Anyways, it must be good, as this lady decided it was attractive enough to be used as an ornament not plugged into anything.  
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