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Post by megash0n on May 8, 2020 20:24:26 GMT -5
I know we've discussed this in the past on other threads, but can we revisit this potential issue? Even though DTS Neural sounds better after redoing my height configs, it still seems very dull and boring. I'm not sure why I have never remembered this until tonight, but watching The Boy 2, there were moments in the beginning that I thought should have been much more audio wise. So, I grab the remote and switched to "Surround" which I think is supposed to play the actual track, DTS MA 5.1, instead of up-mixing. Immediately, the sound came alive and transformed this movie into a terror. There were so many moments the sound was so immediate and dynamic that we found ourselves screaming. A dog barks out of nowhere, and it literally shook me. It was a night and day difference by simply changing the audio mode.
Anyone else experience this? The Dolby up-mixer seems to be fantastic.
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Post by gideonkjv on May 8, 2020 22:35:41 GMT -5
I have only had my RMC-1L for about a month. This is actually the first thing I noticed after watching the car chase scene in Jack Reacher. Its a really good DTS MA 7.1 track that normally just blows me away.. that is until I heard it on the DTS Neural on the RMC- It was very dull until I switched it to Surround.
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 8, 2020 23:00:31 GMT -5
Well I just happen to be watching Ford v Farrari (Blu-ray DTS 7.1 HDMA > DTS Neural:X) and thought it sounded pretty good, but I kept turning the volume up. Then I read your post and switched to surround and boom, dynamics, detail, ambience. It’s also louder, so that always sounds better, but the better surrounds easily made up for the (now) missing heights (wish I could have both). I didn’t think Neural:X sounded bad, but I agree, it’s not DSU.
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Post by megash0n on May 8, 2020 23:11:06 GMT -5
Well I just happen to be watching Ford v Farrari (Blu-ray DTS 7.1 HDMA > DTS Neural:X) and thought it sounded pretty good, but I kept turning the volume up. Then I read your post and switched to surround and boom, dynamics, detail, ambience. It’s also louder, so that always sounds better, but the better surrounds easily made up for the (now) missing heights (wish I could have both). I didn’t think Neural:X sounded bad, but I agree, it’s not DSU. I remember watching that movie and thinking... This doesn't sound anywhere near as good as people say. I won't be using the up-mixer again until it is looked at by Emotiva. If there is nothing wrong with it, it just plain sounds worse. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 8, 2020 23:14:22 GMT -5
This is interesting, because every time I had done a one to one comparison Neural X works way better, the algorithm that choses were the upmixed sound is going to emanate from is far more accurate (real world sounding) than DSU. As for loudness or clarity, there has not been that much difference such that I would pick one over the other on sound quality alone. But when it comes to the upmixing itself, I'd pick Neural X every time. Keeping in mind that none of my comparisons is using an Emotiva processor, they have been Marantz, Denon, Yamaha and Storm. Is it possible that the processor integration is the issue, not the up mixer itself?
Cheers
Gary
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Post by megash0n on May 8, 2020 23:23:35 GMT -5
This is interesting, because every time I had done a one to one comparison Neural X works way better, the algorithm that choses were the upmixed sound is going to emanate from is far more accurate (real world sounding) than DSU. As for loudness or clarity, there has not been that much difference such that I would pick one over the other on sound quality alone. But when it comes to the upmixing itself, I'd pick Neural X every time. Keeping in mind that none of my comparisons is using an Emotiva processor, they have been Marantz, Denon, Yamaha and Storm. Is it possible that the processor integration is the issue, not the up mixer itself? Cheers Gary That is basically what I'm suggesting while leaving room for error. I have no other experience, but cannot believe this is what DTS intended. |
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Post by yeeeha17 on May 8, 2020 23:34:17 GMT -5
Have anyone try to roll back the firmware and test the up-mixer to see it was broken from the new firmware. Emotiva have a track record of fixing one thing but causes other thing that worked before break in the new firmware. I haven’t seen any complaints from other brands with Neural X either. I hope they do get this fix.
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Post by Lsc on May 8, 2020 23:38:23 GMT -5
You guys are on point. Neural X is terrible.
Change to surround and it’s way cleaner and more dynamic.
Unless you want it sound like a receiver 😬.
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 9, 2020 0:08:55 GMT -5
Have anyone try to roll back the firmware and test the up-mixer to see it was broken from the new firmware. Emotiva have a track record of fixing one thing but causes other thing that worked before break in the new firmware. I haven’t seen any complaints from other brands with Neural X either. I hope they do get this fix. People have been complaining about Neural:X for some time, I don’t think it’s new firmware. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 9, 2020 0:16:39 GMT -5
This is interesting, because every time I had done a one to one comparison Neural X works way better, the algorithm that choses were the upmixed sound is going to emanate from is far more accurate (real world sounding) than DSU. As for loudness or clarity, there has not been that much difference such that I would pick one over the other on sound quality alone. But when it comes to the upmixing itself, I'd pick Neural X every time. Keeping in mind that none of my comparisons is using an Emotiva processor, they have been Marantz, Denon, Yamaha and Storm. Is it possible that the processor integration is the issue, not the up mixer itself? Cheers Gary That is basically what I'm suggesting while leaving room for error. I have no other experience, but cannot believe this is what DTS intended. It’s been mentioned for some time, I’ve been expecting a comment about it, and hoping it wasn’t going to be ‘that’s what DTS specifies, and the chip delivers’. Like you however, I have nothing to compare it to, though I have tried it with both music and other video and always prefer the DSU. |
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Post by rochesterboy on May 11, 2020 9:41:30 GMT -5
Have anyone try to roll back the firmware and test the up-mixer to see it was broken from the new firmware. Emotiva have a track record of fixing one thing but causes other thing that worked before break in the new firmware. I haven’t seen any complaints from other brands with Neural X either. I hope they do get this fix. I agree with this observation. In 1.7 my XMC-2 upmixer was working fine. Since 1.8 and 1.9, I feel like my surrounds are dead. Only my LCRs are working good with occasional sound from ATMOS speakers. It is not like I don’t get sounds from surrounds (6 speakers), but they are not alive and sometime I don’t hear any sound from surrounds. Multiple times I thought of rolling back to 1.7 to observe the difference. But I did not have the heart for it. Hoping that DIRAC release with a new firmware would magically address this problem. Otherwise I my investment on a 9.2.6 system is such a waste of resources. |
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Post by bluescale on May 11, 2020 14:51:46 GMT -5
Funny, I just posted about this in the XMC-2 thread. What's even weirder in my situation is that I don't have any height or width speakers, and yet the upmixer engaged, and sucked the life out of the soundtrack.
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