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Post by marcl on Mar 10, 2022 3:06:15 GMT -5
Why didn't I think of that!  So if you added 3db to all the levels and restored settings, would the overall level go up 3db? Here's the rub. I'm looking at this with a text file editor, but it's a UNIX Executable file, so I don't know how to edit it so it remains useable. It's just easier to use Levels in the processor. edit: I think the more interesting part of this is to see how low Dirac puts the subwoofer levels at vs the other channels. This would've been when the subs would be Volume Calibrated @ -20dB, while the speaker channels would be @ -26dB, so there's a 6dB difference. But, when the measurements were done all the channels sounded at the same SPL. I haven't done a saved settings with Dirac 3.2.2 to see what difference there may be, if any. + KeithL But ... when I set volume calibration with all channels at -26db, it measures the sub more than 10db quieter. When I do it with the sub at -20 and the rest at -26, it still measures the sub quieter. I can no longer (as of early July 2021) get the sub to measure equal to the other channels. But also ... Dirac has to set the playback levels after it does the filter design, to account for channels that have to be reduced in level to achieve the target curve. So when it sends the filters to the processor, it sends levels that will make all channels equal when played with the filters. And also ... to Keith's point, yes every time you send filters from Dirac it would do the same thing. But if ... you backup settings, edit the Dirac backup file, and restore settings, then the processor would have the new values. Yes, you would have to do this every time you do a Dirac calibration: calibrate, download filters, backup settings, edit levels in Dirac backup file, restore settings. My backup file also has all the gains referenced to a 0.0000 Left Surround which also happens to be my quietest channel. All the other values are negative. Dirac "lowered the river" to the quietest channel, so you can't "raise the bridge" unless it accepts a positive value for the Left Surround. But what if ... you change all the others, and just increase the Left Surround in processor Levels. Anyway ... nice academic exercise. I actually think it would work fine, and even for the delays. Because it's just an XML file and why would Dirac care if a number changed as long as it was a valid number. I have edited the other backup file to set Preset1=Preset2 and that worked fine. But still ... as Keith says, if you happen to enter an invalid value or inadvertently corrupt the backup in some other way ....best case it just doesn't load. Worst case ...   |
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Post by donh50 on Mar 10, 2022 11:43:30 GMT -5
Backup the backup...
Dirac Live will provide 10 dB or so boost (I asked a while back but do not have the email handy) and "infinite" attenuation. It is pretty standard practice to level to the lowest (quietest) speaker and then boost what is needed to optimize headroom.
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 11, 2022 13:31:58 GMT -5
Found the reason for my trigger issue after being in contact with Emotiva support.
I thought the trigger were pemanently on at processor startup.
But it seems they follow input signal.
So in my case with two amps, one 2ch for the fronts and another 11ch for the rest.
In the trigger setup I have the 2ch amp set to only the fronts enabled.
The 11ch have all but the fronts and subwoofer enabled.
With this setup it seems RMC/XMC will turn of the 11ch amp whenever there’s a
Stereo signal used with a 2ch sound mode.
I thought my trigger was broken. I had not noticed this behaviour before.
I have had my RMC-1 set to 2ch<>Stereo and Multi channel<>Surround in input settings.
So no upmixing.
A fast ”fix” to get ”amp always on” is to enable fronts or subwoofer on the 11ch.
I don’t want my amp to turn on and off when I’m switching sources..
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Post by Lsc on Mar 11, 2022 15:12:24 GMT -5
Found the reason for my trigger issue after being in contact with Emotiva support. I thought the trigger were pemanently on at processor startup. But it seems they follow input signal. So in my case with two amps, one 2ch for the fronts and another 11ch for the rest. In the trigger setup I have the 2ch amp set to only the fronts enabled. The 11ch have all but the fronts and subwoofer enabled. With this setup it seems RMC/XMC will turn of the 11ch amp whenever there’s a Stereo signal used with a 2ch sound mode. I thought my trigger was broken. I had not noticed this behaviour before. I have had my RMC-1 set to 2ch<>Stereo and Multi channel<>Surround in input settings. So no upmixing. A fast ”fix” to get ”amp always on” is to enable fronts or subwoofer on the 11ch. I don’t want my amp to turn on and off when I’m switching sources.. Very good. The owners manual has a pretty comprehensive section on triggers on page 24-25. I do like to turn the amp that powers the surrounds off when. I switch to my 2 channel music listening input. I also don’t like the amp switching on and off based on sound modes but when I listen to music, I can listen for a couple hours or so…so no need to waste energy with extra amps on. The 4 triggers is one of the best things on these processors - I was using all 4 at one point and now use 3…2 amps and a sub. |
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Post by rhale64 on Mar 11, 2022 15:47:28 GMT -5
This is why I absolutely love my Cherry Amps from Digital Amp Co. Only the channels that I am using will come on. Say for instance I am listening in 2 channel only the two channels that get the signal will come on. None of the other channels will come on. They are self sensing not by trigger but by actual signal. They also sound incredible. I have a five channel, a four channel and 6 mono amps.
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Post by bbillman on Mar 11, 2022 17:50:43 GMT -5
New podcast is up, but sadly no new info on RMC1/1L/XMC2
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Post by Thunderduck on Mar 11, 2022 18:43:04 GMT -5
That was not much of an informational podcast. Ten minutes of back and forth banter and a couple of minutes of nonspecific new products coming sometime in the future. I am sorry, but I don't care much about future products. I want to know what is going on with current products that are actually in the field being used. Where is the new firmware? It was coming "soon" about 7 months ago it seems.
Another week has gone by with no news. Seems like there must be something that they can tell us. Give us a bone to chew on, anything! Hopefully before April 1st.
There, thanks for letting me vent. Take care all.
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Post by 5channels on Mar 11, 2022 19:07:33 GMT -5
That was not much of an informational podcast. Ten minutes of back and forth banter and a couple of minutes of nonspecific new products coming sometime in the future. I am sorry, but I don't care much about future products. I want to know what is going on with current products that are actually in the field being used. Where is the new firmware? It was coming "soon" about 7 months ago it seems. Another week has gone by with no news. Seems like there must be something that they can tell us. Give us a bone to chew on, anything! Hopefully before April 1st. There, thanks for letting me vent. Take care all. More like a Dudcast.
I wonder if Dan & Co would prefer to hear our collective yawns with Dirac enabled, or not. Sounds like a poll to me
I am so fed up with how they dismiss the "current" customers when it comes to the firm-beware updates.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 19:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on Mar 11, 2022 20:13:11 GMT -5
That was not much of an informational podcast. Ten minutes of back and forth banter and a couple of minutes of nonspecific new products coming sometime in the future. I am sorry, but I don't care much about future products. I want to know what is going on with current products that are actually in the field being used. Where is the new firmware? It was coming "soon" about 7 months ago it seems. Another week has gone by with no news. Seems like there must be something that they can tell us. Give us a bone to chew on, anything! Hopefully before April 1st. There, thanks for letting me vent. Take care all. I agree but they can do whatever they want. I won’t be buying any of those new products so while it’s not relevant or exciting for me, it could be for someone else who is looking to start on this journey. I’d also like to thank those who supported Emotiva over the last holiday season and continue to support them so my XMC2 doesn’t turn into a “past product” and Emotiva will actually deliver on some of the updates. As I said, I plan on getting a PS5 so an HDMI 2.1 board along with DLBC are the two main deliverables that I’m interested in. That’ll probably mean at least 5 more years of use out of the XMC2 which isn’t too bad. These lame podcasts are not a surprise btw…it’s just more telling of the current state of affairs. |
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Post by seras on Mar 11, 2022 21:46:53 GMT -5
Today I started my RMC-1, I found the speaker volume were all messed up. Then I went to the "level" menu in the settings to check if there is anything changed, and found no change. I scrolled through each speaker, the volume were inconsistent, definitely different than they used to be. Then the weird thing is that when I navigated to the "equalizer" menu then navigated back to the "level", the volumes became normal, restored to what they used to be. Looks like navigating to the "equalizer" menu somehow restored the volume settings. Any idea why? I always power off my RCM1 (unplug the power) instead of putting it in sleep (press the center power button) after use, not sure if this matters.
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Post by ttocs on Mar 11, 2022 22:06:00 GMT -5
Today I started my RMC-1, I found the speaker volume were all messed up. Then I went to the "level" menu in the settings to check if there is anything changed, and found no change. I scrolled through each speaker, the volume were inconsistent, definitely different than they used to be. Then the weird thing is that when I navigated to the "equalizer" menu then navigated back to the "level", the volumes became normal, restored to what they used to be. Looks like navigating to the "equalizer" menu somehow restored the volume settings. Any idea why? I always power off my RCM1 (unplug the power) instead of putting it in sleep (press the center power button) after use, not sure if this matters. Sometimes volume level in one or more channels can be affected, seemingly autonomously at times, but usually due to some Menu usage and then backing out of the Menu. The Menu system is "Live" and some settings will instantly change upon selection, so some things can alter how the level is applied, and after backing out of the Menu the processor is supposed to be "normal" but sometimes isn't, which unfortunately is normal. So, going back into the Menu and out can "reset" the level, as can changing Presets, changing HDMI inputs, changing audio mode, cold reboot, etc. |
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Post by seras on Mar 11, 2022 22:43:20 GMT -5
Today I started my RMC-1, I found the speaker volume were all messed up. Then I went to the "level" menu in the settings to check if there is anything changed, and found no change. I scrolled through each speaker, the volume were inconsistent, definitely different than they used to be. Then the weird thing is that when I navigated to the "equalizer" menu then navigated back to the "level", the volumes became normal, restored to what they used to be. Looks like navigating to the "equalizer" menu somehow restored the volume settings. Any idea why? I always power off my RCM1 (unplug the power) instead of putting it in sleep (press the center power button) after use, not sure if this matters. Sometimes volume level in one or more channels can be affected, seemingly autonomously at times, but usually due to some Menu usage and then backing out of the Menu. The Menu system is "Live" and some settings will instantly change upon selection, so some things can alter how the level is applied, and after backing out of the Menu the processor is supposed to be "normal" but sometimes isn't, which unfortunately is normal. So, going back into the Menu and out can "reset" the level, as can changing Presets, changing HDMI inputs, changing audio mode, cold reboot, etc. Sounds like a bug that should be fixed. Is there a plan to fix? It is very annoying. When this happens it scares me because it changes the volume of some speakers too high. I can't always going to menu to reset. |
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Post by msimanyi on Mar 11, 2022 23:13:11 GMT -5
seras, I’m a bit confused. You powered it on and the volume was too loud? And this volume change happened before you started the menu? Is it possible someone else in your household changed some settings? What volume do you use on startup? Is it a fixed level, or do you use the last level? I have mine set to -20db so it always starts at a low level.
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Post by ttocs on Mar 11, 2022 23:15:53 GMT -5
Sometimes volume level in one or more channels can be affected, seemingly autonomously at times, but usually due to some Menu usage and then backing out of the Menu. The Menu system is "Live" and some settings will instantly change upon selection, so some things can alter how the level is applied, and after backing out of the Menu the processor is supposed to be "normal" but sometimes isn't, which unfortunately is normal. So, going back into the Menu and out can "reset" the level, as can changing Presets, changing HDMI inputs, changing audio mode, cold reboot, etc. Sounds like a bug that should be fixed. Is there a plan to fix? It is very annoying. When this happens it scares me because it changes the volume of some speakers too high. I can't always going to menu to reset. Is it happening often? With mine it's not often at all, but when it happens it's usually due to changing Speaker Size settings, like altering which subwoofer channel does what when I'm testing something. If yours is "just happening all by itself", and the volume change is happening more than once in a short period of time - more than once in a few days vs months, then a setting may have gotten corrupted. Might need to do a Factory Reset. I had a scary very loud volume incident happen once, unexpectedly, several years ago. The change in volume level I mentioned above is only a few dB and like I said, after changing something in the Menu. |
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Post by seras on Mar 11, 2022 23:31:17 GMT -5
Sounds like a bug that should be fixed. Is there a plan to fix? It is very annoying. When this happens it scares me because it changes the volume of some speakers too high. I can't always going to menu to reset. Is it happening often? With mine it's not often at all, but when it happens it's usually due to changing Speaker Size settings, like altering which subwoofer channel does what when I'm testing something. If yours is "just happening all by itself", and the volume change is happening more than once in a short period of time - more than once in a few days vs months, then a setting may have gotten corrupted. Might need to do a Factory Reset. I had a scary very loud volume incident happen once, unexpectedly, several years ago. The change in volume level I mentioned above is only a few dB and like I said, after changing something in the Menu. This is my first time. It changed on its own. I did not touch any settings last time I used it. All I did was listening some music using reference stereo mode. This time I was watching a movie in atmos mode. I don't want this to happen anytime because it changed some speakers volume so high that I'm afraid it could damage my speakers, and my ear too. Can't we check if the volume settings is out of sync on every startup? |
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Post by seras on Mar 11, 2022 23:41:24 GMT -5
seras , I’m a bit confused. You powered it on and the volume was too loud? And this volume change happened before you started the menu? Is it possible someone else in your household changed some settings? What volume do you use on startup? Is it a fixed level, or do you use the last level? I have mine set to -20db so it always starts at a low level. Yeah it changed before I touch the menu. I opened the menu because I want to check the level settings to see why it is so loud. The level settings are found all 0, but each speaker sound in different volume. Which is different than last time I used. I have ran dirac so the levels were even. I'm sure no one has ever touched the settings. It's definitely some issue with the volume control. Sometime it is not matching the level settings, maybe it was corrupted somehow. navigating to the "equalizer" menu restored volume. I guess the "equalizer" menu somehow reapplied the dirac settings which resynced the volume with the level |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 12, 2022 7:11:37 GMT -5
seras , I’m a bit confused. You powered it on and the volume was too loud? And this volume change happened before you started the menu? Is it possible someone else in your household changed some settings? What volume do you use on startup? Is it a fixed level, or do you use the last level? I have mine set to -20db so it always starts at a low level. Yeah it changed before I touch the menu. I opened the menu because I want to check the level settings to see why it is so loud. The level settings are found all 0, but each speaker sound in different volume. Which is different than last time I used. I have ran dirac so the levels were even. I'm sure no one has ever touched the settings. It's definitely some issue with the volume control. Sometime it is not matching the level settings, maybe it was corrupted somehow. navigating to the "equalizer" menu restored volume. I guess the "equalizer" menu somehow reapplied the dirac settings which resynced the volume with the level Activating a test tone will also reset the levels on my machine. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 12, 2022 7:17:17 GMT -5
That was not much of an informational podcast. Ten minutes of back and forth banter and a couple of minutes of nonspecific new products coming sometime in the future. I am sorry, but I don't care much about future products. I want to know what is going on with current products that are actually in the field being used. Where is the new firmware? It was coming "soon" about 7 months ago it seems. Another week has gone by with no news. Seems like there must be something that they can tell us. Give us a bone to chew on, anything! Hopefully before April 1st. There, thanks for letting me vent. Take care all. I remember when podcasts were eagerly awaited around here, not so much anymore. Can't remember the last one that I thought had any relevance. |
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Post by panasonicst60 on Mar 12, 2022 11:20:52 GMT -5
Yeah it changed before I touch the menu. I opened the menu because I want to check the level settings to see why it is so loud. The level settings are found all 0, but each speaker sound in different volume. Which is different than last time I used. I have ran dirac so the levels were even. I'm sure no one has ever touched the settings. It's definitely some issue with the volume control. Sometime it is not matching the level settings, maybe it was corrupted somehow. navigating to the "equalizer" menu restored volume. I guess the "equalizer" menu somehow reapplied the dirac settings which resynced the volume with the level Activating a test tone will also reset the levels on my machine. Oddly that never works for me... |
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