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Post by LCSeminole on May 21, 2020 8:21:00 GMT -5
Post Firmware Version 1.10. As has been requested, this new owners thread has been created to consolidate the current processor platform RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 Owners threads into one. Main Hardware Differences: RMC-1 has future expansion bays. RMC-1/RMC-1L have the dual-mono DAC implementation on all channels and two user configurable front panel OLED displays. XMC-2 has the dual-mono DAC implementation on the LCR channels and one user configurable front panel OLED display. All three processors use the same firmware(current public version being v1.10), and all three will have the same version of the forth-coming DIRAC 2.0. While this is an OWNERS thread, non-owner/future owner questions are welcome as long as they are on-topic and have relevance to the everyday operation of this processor platform. Off-topic posts can/will be deleted(without notice) as deemed by the Admin/Moderators, so lets keeps this Owners thread free of clutter so that all members and new owners don't have to wade through discussion of pre-firmware v1.10 troubleshooting. Any discussion of future expansion modules for the RMC-1 will be in a future separate thread since they don't apply to the RMC-1L or XMC-2. ———————————————————————————————————————————— Below is a link to EmoBrent’s new Section on “Configuration and Compatibility Notes” for the current generation of Emotiva processors. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/60093/emotiva-processor-compatibility-configuration-notes?page=1&scrollTo=1097995—————————————————————————————————————— Former owners threads are located below: RMC-1 Owners Thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/53933/official-rmc-1-owners-threadXMC-2 Owners Thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/55482/official-xmc-2-owners-thread |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 21, 2020 8:22:25 GMT -5
"RESERVERD" for Admin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can find the current and archived Firmware Versions at the links below: emotivalounge.proboards.com/board/209/rmc-1-1l-xmc-firmware----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LATEST RELEASE RMC-1, RMC-1L, XMC-2 FIRMWARE - as of 5/13/2020 - firmware v1.10 (one-dot-ten)
(STRONGLY RECOMMENDED UPDATE)
This link will get you the latest version of the RMC-1 firmware as of 5/13/2020 (v1.10): Place it in the main folder of a USB stick formatted FAT32. (Make sure there are no other firmware update files in the main folder!) Note:
This file updates the RMC-1 family of processors (RMC-1, RMC-1L, and XMC-2).
This file DOES NOT update the XMC-1 and should NOT be used to do so.
RELEASE NOTES: We have just completed a major update to the firmware for our RMC-1, RMC-1L, and XMC-2 processors. The new firmware version is FW v1.10 (version one-dot-ten) and we consider it to be an important update. The original firmware code we developed for the RMC-1 family of processors was based on pre-existing code developed for the XMC-1. As our processors have developed and evolved, continuing to modify and update this code has become a hindrance, and so the time has arrived for a major rewrite. This new firmware release represents months of careful clean-up effort and a significant rewrite of the entire operating system. While we would normally offer a summary of what was addressed in the new code... this time the changes are too broad and numerous to list. You won't notice any major changes to the menu system... but what you WILL notice is greatly improved speed, reliability, and operational stability. We consider this to be a major update that greatly improves the experience for all RMC-1, RMC-1L, and XMC-2 owners and encourage everyone to update. Public Firmware Version 1.10 Update Notes:1) The download will arrive in the form of a firmware file - which is the actual firmware update file (don't worry about the file extension). There is no need to extract this file. To install this update simply place the update file in the main folder of a USB stick and do a SETUP | ADVANCED | FIRMWARE UPDATE command. (You will need to check the box, then go LEFT, to confirm the update and start the process.)
You should also ensure that this is the ONLY FILE in the main folder of your USB stick. (If you wish to archive other versions of the RMC-1 / XMC-2 firmware on your USB stick - BE SURE TO PUT THEM IN A SUB FOLDER.) DO NOT INTERRUPT THE UPDATE PROCESS UNTIL IT HAS COMPLETED. THE PROCESSOR WILL RESTART WHEN THE UPDATE IS COMPLETE.
2) There is no need to do a Factory Reset before or after performing the firmware update. Your configuration settings should be retained throughout the update. (Although, if you've made a lot of complex configuration settings, it's always a good idea to keep a backup on a USB stick.)
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IF YOU ENCOUNTER ANY ODD BEHAVIOR AFTER PERFORMING THE UPDATE...
WE SUGGEST THAT YOU RESET ALL OF THE HDMI DEVICES YOU HAVE CONNECTED TO YOUR PROCESSOR. TO DO THIS YOU MUST PHYSICALLY UNPLUG THE AC POWER ON YOUR PROCESSOR, YOUR TV OR PROJECTOR, AND ALL CONNECTED HDMI DEVICES.Everything must be unplugged AT THE SAME TIME for at least ten seconds. This will ensure that all of your devices go through a full reboot. (We DO NOT REQUIRE this but, if you have ANY problems, then you should do it.) SOME PROCESSOR USAGE NOTES:We have become aware that many of the problems people have been experiencing are due to compatibility issues between modern HDMI 2.0 devices and older HDMI 1.4b devices. (HDMI 2.0 is supposed to be backwards compatible with older devices - but some people experience issues when connecting HDMI 1.4 devices to HDMI 2.0 inputs.) YOU CAN CONFIGURE EACH INPUT ON THE RMC-1. RMC-1L, and XMC-2 FOR MAXIMUM COMPATIBILITY WITH EITHER HDMI 2.0 OR HDMI 1.4 DEVICES. (Note that, when you set an Input to HDMI 1.4, that Input will no longer allow 4k video, which HDMI 1,4 doesn't support, until you set it back to HDMI 2.0 .)
Firmware Version 1.10: If you have a bug this is where it will be listed. To be listed, it's preferable if several "Owners" can verify and consistently "REPRODUCE" the issue. 1) ? ? ? ? ? ? |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 21, 2020 8:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by LCSeminole on May 21, 2020 9:34:43 GMT -5
Lounge Members: If you feel I've left out anything that needs to be posted at the top of this thread please feel free to post it or PM me. The Admin/Moderators will try to keep the front page up to date as much as possible.
This thread is now open for On-Topic RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 processors discussion.
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Post by meldhache on May 21, 2020 10:51:02 GMT -5
Seems to work well with my equipment! Just wondering what was improved
Mel
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Post by PaulBe on May 21, 2020 10:58:40 GMT -5
Lounge Members: If you feel I've left out anything that needs to be posted at the top of this thread please feel free to post it or PM me. The Admin/Moderators will try to keep the front page up to date as much as possible. This thread is now open for On-Topic RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 processors discussion. I think a FAQ post, with answers, would be helpful. Update as needed. |
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Post by Lsc on May 21, 2020 11:13:21 GMT -5
I would like to see a list of outstanding bugs at the top so anyone who is experiencing the same bugs can see that their bug is already captured.
I’m also hoping that we can track which release the bug was resolved.
The goal is to avoid seeing a hundred posts of one bug that gives the perception that there are a 100 problems vs 1 problem.
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Post by millst on May 21, 2020 11:24:23 GMT -5
Yeah, an issue list that is actively maintained is my favorite feature. These threads quickly turn into monsters with multiple conversations taking place.
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Post by SteveInNC on May 21, 2020 11:28:40 GMT -5
Reserved for DIRAC complaint.
J/k 😂😂
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Post by bluescale on May 21, 2020 11:30:39 GMT -5
I would like to see a list of outstanding bugs at the top so anyone who is experiencing the same bugs can see that their bug is already captured. I’m also hoping that we can track which release the bug was resolved. The goal is to avoid seeing a hundred posts of one bug that gives the perception that there are a 100 problems vs 1 problem. This would be excellent. I also wouldn’t mind a post to capture feature requests, although a separate thread might be appropriate for that. |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 21, 2020 11:46:49 GMT -5
I would like to see a list of outstanding bugs at the top so anyone who is experiencing the same bugs can see that their bug is already captured. I’m also hoping that we can track which release the bug was resolved. The goal is to avoid seeing a hundred posts of one bug that gives the perception that there are a 100 problems vs 1 problem. I intend to use the 2nd post that has the current public firmware "Release Notes", this way reported bugs can be listed under those notes. This will also allow Lonnie/Ray/Damon/KeithL to be able to see a list of what bugs are being reported and how to reproduce them. As the issue gets fixed, it will be marked as such. Is this good? If any of you have a better way, we're open to whatever works best for communication purposes. |
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Post by junchoon on May 21, 2020 11:51:06 GMT -5
Continuing from the old rmc-1 thread
The reason why I ask about the high frequencies of DSD is because when I switch from marantz av7005 to Xmc-1 the sparkles of high frequencies are not there. As if xmc-1 has truncated the signals? I don’t use DIRAC In XMC-1 when dealing with dsd as dirac can’t process dsd. No room correction software in the world can deal with dsd anyway. The mode I use is reference stereo.
Are the newer prepros from Emotiva retain the high frequencies?
Thanks
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Post by LCSeminole on May 21, 2020 12:04:29 GMT -5
Lounge Members: If you feel I've left out anything that needs to be posted at the top of this thread please feel free to post it or PM me. The Admin/Moderators will try to keep the front page up to date as much as possible. This thread is now open for On-Topic RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2 processors discussion. I think a FAQ post, with answers, would be helpful. Update as needed. We'll use the 3rd post for this. Let me know if you feel something needs to listed here and we'll UPDATE this post as needed. |
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Post by KeithL on May 21, 2020 14:11:49 GMT -5
When we accept a DSD signal directly, and it shows up on the display as "DSD", it is passed directly to the DAC chips. There is no way we could alter the frequency response even if we wanted to (without first converting it to PCM).
Continuing from the old rmc-1 thread The reason why I ask about the high frequencies of DSD is because when I switch from marantz av7005 to Xmc-1 the sparkles of high frequencies are not there. As if xmc-1 has truncated the signals? I don’t use DIRAC In XMC-1 when dealing with dsd as dirac can’t process dsd. No room correction software in the world can deal with dsd anyway. The mode I use is reference stereo. Are the newer prepros from Emotiva retain the high frequencies? Thanks |
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Post by lwestfall on May 21, 2020 15:36:25 GMT -5
I am a generally happy RMC-1 owner (pleased with the sound and patiently but eagerly awaiting Dirac and the additional speaker output expansion boards) and have the same issue as m4rc that appears to have never gotten fully addressed in the now closed RMC-1 owner's thread. (See his last post on the matter here.) Ever since upgrading to the otherwise commendable v1.10 firmware, when the RMC-1 is first turned on, it boots up and then goes immediately into standby mode. I would much prefer it to start up and stay on and await input instead of having to then turn it on again manually. This happens no matter what is connected and even happens when nothing is connected to it. I have CEC off because in the past with CEC on I have had issues with my LG C7 TV taking over input from My Oppo UDP-203 which is my main source. Thanks for looking into this. |
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Post by markc on May 21, 2020 16:50:50 GMT -5
Firstly, thank you for following my suggestion for an all new fresh start for these processor forums! I would like to continue, and, after lots of testing, expand on the issue I raised in the RMC-1 forum the last two days regarding the function of the dts Neural:X surround mode. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1032525/threadLots of info here in a long post and I repeat the crux of it several times, but I hope that my enforced "Beta testing" will help Keith and crew get to the bottom of this. There has not been a murmour so far from Emotiva on this issue however. Poor dts Neural:X sound quality is mentioned way back in the RMC-1 forum. I have a suspicion it comes from the speaker configuration settings. It seems the Neural:X transcoder thinks different speakers are active, engaging upmixing, when none are present. Part of this problem may lie in the different ways that DTS:x and Atmos decoders specify and utilise the extra speakers over and above 7.1. They are not directly comparable or utilised and dts:X doesn't use the front wides (See point 6 below as this is relevant) or middle heights 1)When Neural:X is actually engaged(see point 2, as it affects testing this), this transcoder results in a 4-6db drop in volume. I have poured through the avsforums (including Anthem, Monoprice and Marantz) and there is no mention or complaint of this anywhere else there or on Google. It is not a normal feature of the dts Neural:X upmixer. In addition, the sound character is changed in at least the Left, Centre & Front so I think some sound extraction (to other non existent channels) is occurring even when neither desired nor required (e.g. 7.1 source played over 7.1 speakers - no up or down-mixing or audio interpolation should be occurring, but the sound character is definitely changing) 2) The actual engagement of the Neural:X transcoder is very variable! Just because it is displayed on screen does not mean it is active! The only reliable way I can get it to positively engage and "work" is using the Menu/Setup/Main/Surround Mode up/down selection buttons and then back out of the menu pushing Left/Left/Left/Left. Exiting the menu by pushing "Menu" on the remote doesn't always work to lock in the change. Using the Emotiva remote, the Mode up&down does not always physically engage the Neural:X. Using the Harmony remote, the Mode Up/Down, Direct, DTS Mode, Dolby Mode - the display changes, but the surround mode doesn't reliably lock on. Again: Even when the front display indicates it is active, it isn't necessarily . (I know this because the sound character and volume stays the same on switching from aparrent Neural:X to the "Direct" or "Surround" Modes i.e. if there is no volume drop, then even if Neural:X is displaying on the screen, then it is not actually transcoding and doing what it usually (badly) does. 3)Issue: Bad upmixing even when upmixing required. Upmixing of 2.0 or 5.1 dts sources to 7.1 (and 7.1 to beyond) can ONLY be done on these processors using the (faulty) Neural:X mode. This means that the volume drop and the front smearing is the only way to upmix dts to 7.1 (And possibly the same on going to 7.1.4 but I can't test this). The alternative is to reach for the remote, manually select Surround Mode whenever Neural:X activates and turn it off manually to just have 5.1. Neither is a good option for a modern processor. (I could of course leave Default 5.1 Surround Mode on "Direct" (see 4) below as to why "Surround" as the default 5.1 mode doesn't work!) but then I also lose the Dolby 5.1 upmixing to 7.1 using the great sounding Dolby Surround Upmixer which works flawlessly.) 5.1 to 7.1 upmixing in a processor is pretty basic and has always been done simply whilst being transparent to all the other channels since Dolby 5.1 and dts 5.1(core) first came out. This is why I contend that there is a problem with the Emotiva implementation of Neural:X rather than the transcoder itself. A clue to why I think it is the Emotiva speaker configuration is posted in 6), below 4)2nd Issue: inappropriate upmixing when upmixing not required: Unfortunately Neural:X is incorrectly auto-selected by my XMC-2 when not required. In a 7.1 system, when listening to a 7.1 dts source(Core,HD, HD MA), no upmixer is required or desirable. Unfortunately, some of the time the Neural:X is activated when "Auto" or "Surround" is selected as default and I get the volume drop and front smearing. I have discovered that leaving the default as "Surround" (Which should leave 5.1 as 5.1 and 7.1 as 7.1), the Neural:X still gets activated, especially after an Atmos source triggers the Atmos decoder (Which occurs for any Atmos source whether Atmos speakers exist or not because the DSU isn't used on TrueHD with Atmos metadata. I have repeatedly found that after dts:X or Atmos decoders are used, the Direct, Source and Auto default modes cease functioning as they should, and upmixers are called into play irrespective or user setting. (Not too bad for Dolby Surround as it doesn't seem to change the sound or volume of a 7.1 source in a 7.1 playback, but terrible for dts sources because of the sound smearing and volume. 5) Again. dts Neural:X processing on my XMC-2 sounds bad. I have tried it on stereo & 5.1 PCM and 2.0 dts, 5.1 dts and 7.1 dts. The cause needs to be found and fixed, firstly for the poor sound result and secondly for the forced and unnecessary activation of it. In the meantime I do not want to listen to (and should not have to accept) contamination of the soundfield of my +£20,000 home theatre with this processor's implementation of Neural:X activating incorrectly for 7.1 to 7.1 playback with smearing of the fronts and the same in simple 5.1 to 7.1 upmixing. Simple volume decrease I could deal with by using the volume control. Smeared I cannot. Yesterday another user posted a comparison of volume with "Direct" to "Surround" to "Neural:X" (although this was in a 7.2.4 configuration so may not be comparable, and I am unsure what method was used to toggle and confirm action between these Surround Modes given my findings, above, in 2). No difference in volume noted, so at odds with those of us that get a definite OBVIOUS audible volume drop which I measured on my Radioshack as -4 to -6db (movie soundtrack playing so it's hard to get level sund pressure!) 6) Front Wides anomaly: On the XMC/RMC, Front Wides are not used in DTS:X or Neural:X decoding. It is only for 7.1.4. (But you can use three mono subs meaning 7.3.4 audio channels and that leaves two unused outputs) (DTS:X Pro will allow for up to 32 channels) Why then, when the Front Wides configuration is set to anything but "None" when only the 7.1 speakers are otherwise present and no height speakers, does the Neural:X get switched on automatically for any dts source. This even occurs after setting the Front Wides to "Bi-Amp Fronts" as the option in the Front Wide channel configuration. To me this implies a problem with an internal incorrect processor flag, so that Front Wide channel output automatically engages Neural:X, even though Neural X doesn't use Front Wides. This then causes the smeared / quiet 7.1 to 7.1 "upmixing" in addition to 5.1 to 7.1. Even if Emotiva argue that Neural:X is just doing it's thing with the volume decrease, bi-amping the fronts or having some front wide speakers for Dolby Atmos should not activate upmixing. Other users have these issues too. The only time this comes up on searches in the avsforums is the RMC-1 thread and lots of posts. Acknowledgement by Emotiva, ownership of the problem if confirmed and a remedy would be great! ps Keith, if you find a way to fix the DTS 96/24 decoding at the same time, please do! I have Queen's Greatest Hits I and II on DVD and commend them to anyone who may be in any way appreciative of Queen. They are absolutely awesome for the original videos (Which I usually turn off as audio only is more engaging) which have mighty fine DTS 96/24 muiltichannel 5.1 mixes all done from original multitrack masters. The XMC-1 plays them normally. The XMC-2 correctly shows 24 bit 96kHz on the front panel but playback is at a half speed low pitched drawl with the video stuttering along. |
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Post by steelman1991 on May 21, 2020 16:53:45 GMT -5
I think a FAQ post, with answers, would be helpful. Update as needed. We'll use the 3rd post for this. Let me know if you feel something needs to listed here and we'll UPDATE this post as needed.
@keithl - never got the opportunity in the last thread to thank you for clarifying the process to ensure "filters" imported, stick. At least I know I wasn't going crazy and in part wasn't purely user error. |
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Post by markc on May 21, 2020 16:54:53 GMT -5
Eek, Jane Austin had nothing on my lack of concise writing skills
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Post by bluescale on May 21, 2020 18:12:53 GMT -5
5) Again. dts Neural:X processing on my XMC-2 sounds bad. I have tried it on stereo & 5.1 PCM and 2.0 dts, 5.1 dts and 7.1 dts. The cause needs to be found and fixed, firstly for the poor sound result and secondly for the forced and unnecessary activation of it. In the meantime I do not want to listen to (and should not have to accept) contamination of the soundfield of my +£20,000 home theatre with this processor's implementation of Neural:X activating incorrectly for 7.1 to 7.1 playback with smearing of the fronts and the same in simple 5.1 to 7.1 upmixing. Simple volume decrease I could deal with by using the volume control. Smeared I cannot. Yesterday another user posted a comparison of volume with "Direct" to "Surround" to "Neural:X" (although this was in a 7.2.4 configuration so may not be comparable, and I am unsure what method was used to toggle and confirm action between these Surround Modes given my findings, above, in 2). No difference in volume noted, so at odds with those of us that get a definite OBVIOUS audible volume drop which I measured on my Radioshack as -4 to -6db (movie soundtrack playing so it's hard to get level sund pressure!) This is the one that really surprised me. 5.1 upmixed to 7.1 shouldn't have any effect on the front soundstage. Yet engaging Neural:X without any height or width speakers somehow killed the dynamics of the front three speakers. I didn't try measuring it, but you'd have to b e very hard of hearing not to notice the smearing marc is mentioning. |
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Post by ttocs on May 21, 2020 19:11:15 GMT -5
Ever since upgrading to the otherwise commendable v1.10 firmware, when the RMC-1 is first turned on, it boots up and then goes immediately into standby mode. I would much prefer it to start up and stay on and await input instead of having to then turn it on again manually. This happens no matter what is connected and even happens when nothing is connected to it. I have CEC off because in the past with CEC on I have had issues with my LG C7 TV taking over input from My Oppo UDP-203 which is my main source. Thanks for looking into this. When I put mine into Lowest Power mode, I hit the On button once on the remote and it turns on. Are you turning the main power switch on the back to Off? edit: I just realized you mentioned CEC. Please check CEC on your unit because some have noted that it's been getting enabled with FW-1.10. |
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