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Post by AudioHTIT on May 4, 2022 7:43:51 GMT -5
I’ve never had a problem with the Zone 2 IR or IP commands, you probably just turned it on accidentally, but now you know what the blue/amber flash means. You also mentioned that it happened while you were in ‘Setup’, it is possible to turn on Zone 2 from there: <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> And what software is on screenshot? i tried different apps from apple store - none of them worked It’s the Emotiva Remote App V3, I just used it so I could show you the Zone 2 option without getting out of bed 😴 (I see you’ve now posted over there, that thread the best place to talk about the app) |
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Post by KeithL on May 4, 2022 12:45:58 GMT -5
It is worth noting that "Zone 2 Power" is a separate button on the remote... So it's not that hard to just hit it by accident... But i dont use Zone 2 at all. Maybe there was some wrong command from IR. I’ve never had a problem with the Zone 2 IR or IP commands, you probably just turned it on accidentally, but now you know what the blue/amber flash means. You also mentioned that it happened while you were in ‘Setup’, it is possible to turn on Zone 2 from there: View Attachment |
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Post by danblack on May 4, 2022 20:26:37 GMT -5
Well another Podcast today and zero mention about their processors. I mean don't they know we are all waiting for some information on our units that we spent so much money on. Good thing my XMC-2 works fine especially with my HDfury unit. But man I would love a little information on their plans for the processors and firmware.
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Post by trevorlj on May 5, 2022 10:04:40 GMT -5
At this point I would love to see the updated version Dolby Surround Upmixer (w/wides) and unlocked (cross-format) upmixers. That doesn't sound that cosmic but maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by ttocs on May 5, 2022 10:20:55 GMT -5
edit: see post on May 8, 2022 for update.When two components are fighting, separate them!Since connecting a new active fiber optic HDMI cable between XMC-2 and Sony tv, I’ve been having trouble with my Sony TV allowing video from the TiVo in VRO after the tv has been turned off for a while. This issue doesn’t happen with any other source, but it’s not the source that’s causing the issue, it’s the tv. A different issue with the same result happened for the first time after a Sony tv firmware update early last year. All was fine until the update. After the Sony tv firmware update, any time I used any of the TiVo skip/FastForward/FastRewind features, the tv would blank the screen for a second or two and sometimes recover video and sometimes fail to recover and instead display a screensaver background image, after which the only way to recover was to turn off the tv for a minute then turn back on. Sony later updated the firmware again and the problem went away. This week I’ve been trying different turn-on sequences to find out if there’s a sequence that will allow me to continue to use VRO and watch TiVo without needing to reboot anything. This issue only occurs when the XMC-2 is set on the TiVo input while the XMC-2 is in VRO Standby, and, TiVo is the Turn On Input, and, the tv has been turned off for 15 minutes or more. The TiVo is never turned off, it’s always on. Here is a spreadsheet that shows the steps for each trial and results. This will be updated for the next couple days while exhausting each meaningful iteration I can think of.  One solution that works: When finished watching whatever, turn the tv off, switch the XMC-2 to any input other than TiVo and put into VRO standby, then next time, after the tv is turned on, switch the input on the XMC-2 to TiVo. So far this has not failed. Another solution is to set the TiVo to turn off when not watching TiVo. But this doesn’t help for times when TiVo is recording a show. This will fail sometimes. I’m bringing this up in this thread to point out something. When someone turns on their system and discover there’s no video, and they need to reboot the processor to get video to work, I think their problem might be what I’m describing here. At face value it’s the same scenario. I would suggest to do what I’ve done and set the processor to another input while the processor will be in standby, and next time, after the tv is turned on again, to then switch inputs to the problem input. Maybe it’ll work? Worth a try. When things like this happen, try different startup scenarios for hope of a different result.
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Post by kzboray on May 5, 2022 13:38:40 GMT -5
I was having the same issue. Several times a week the processor would come on especially first thing in the morning with no picture and I would have to reboot the processor (hard power cycle). I talked to support about this and they mentioned that the HDMI card can lock up if it sits on the same HDMI signal while being in standby. This only happens if you use fast start. The solution for now is to do exactly what ttocs said. Switch the HDMI port to an unused port when you put the processor into standby. I use a Home Automation controller from UDI to control my house and just put in a command to watch the processor for standby mode and then send a command to switch HDMI ports to an unused port. Things have been solid since I made that change. If you don't have that level of control, you could just manually switch ports from your remote. This seems to be a known issue and is something Emotiva hopes to address in the next firmware release. |
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Post by ttocs on May 5, 2022 14:08:10 GMT -5
I was having the same issue. Several times a week the processor would come on especially first thing in the morning with no picture and I would have to reboot the processor (hard power cycle). I talked to support about this and they mentioned that the HDMI card can lock up if it sits on the same HDMI signal while being in standby. This only happens if you use fast start. The solution for now is to do exactly what ttocs said. Switch the HDMI port to an unused port when you put the processor into standby. I use a Home Automation controller from UDI to control my house and just put in a command to watch the processor for standby mode and then send a command to switch HDMI ports to an unused port. Things have been solid since I made that change. If you don't have that level of control, you could just manually switch ports from your remote. This seems to be a known issue and is something Emotiva hopes to address in the next firmware release. What display do you use? I’m confident Emotiva can come up with a solution for this. But in my case this type of issue is most definitely caused by Sony. As you eluded to, and as I’ve discovered, the issue crops up with a certain amount of time. In the case of my tv, I know that it goes into a different state about 10 minutes after shutoff and this is when my problem arises. I’d love to know what the tv changes at that point in time. Somehow it loses handshake and refuses to allow a refresh, but this only happens when it’s the TiVo that is the standby hdmi device, and only while the TiVo is powered on. There’s a conflict between the TiVo and tv. My other sources are able to force a refresh to the tv with no issue. It’s almost as if the tv has confused the processor in such a way that it hogs the cpu and won’t let go because the processor gets slow and unresponsive in the worst case scenario. |
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Post by ElectricKoolAid on May 5, 2022 14:12:23 GMT -5
I was having the same issue. Several times a week the processor would come on especially first thing in the morning with no picture and I would have to reboot the processor (hard power cycle). I talked to support about this and they mentioned that the HDMI card can lock up if it sits on the same HDMI signal while being in standby. This only happens if you use fast start. The solution for now is to do exactly what ttocs said. Switch the HDMI port to an unused port when you put the processor into standby. I use a Home Automation controller from UDI to control my house and just put in a command to watch the processor for standby mode and then send a command to switch HDMI ports to an unused port. Things have been solid since I made that change. If you don't have that level of control, you could just manually switch ports from your remote. This seems to be a known issue and is something Emotiva hopes to address in the next firmware release. It would be great if this does get fixed because it's one of my main issues, not a huge deal but just very annoying and would be a huge quality of life upgrade. |
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Post by cawgijoe on May 5, 2022 15:33:49 GMT -5
I was having the same issue. Several times a week the processor would come on especially first thing in the morning with no picture and I would have to reboot the processor (hard power cycle). I talked to support about this and they mentioned that the HDMI card can lock up if it sits on the same HDMI signal while being in standby. This only happens if you use fast start. The solution for now is to do exactly what ttocs said. Switch the HDMI port to an unused port when you put the processor into standby. I use a Home Automation controller from UDI to control my house and just put in a command to watch the processor for standby mode and then send a command to switch HDMI ports to an unused port. Things have been solid since I made that change. If you don't have that level of control, you could just manually switch ports from your remote. This seems to be a known issue and is something Emotiva hopes to address in the next firmware release. What display do you use? I’m confident Emotiva can come up with a solution for this. But in my case this type of issue is most definitely caused by Sony. As you eluded to, and as I’ve discovered, the issue crops up with a certain amount of time. In the case of my tv, I know that it goes into a different state about 10 minutes after shutoff and this is when my problem arises. I’d love to know what the tv changes at that point in time. Somehow it loses handshake and refuses to allow a refresh, but this only happens when it’s the TiVo that is the standby hdmi device, and only while the TiVo is powered on. There’s a conflict between the TiVo and tv. My other sources are able to force a refresh to the tv with no issue. It’s almost as if the tv has confused the processor in such a way that it hogs the cpu and won’t let go because the processor gets slow and unresponsive in the worst case scenario. Should we stay away from Sony TV’s? |
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Post by ttocs on May 5, 2022 16:36:31 GMT -5
Should we stay away from Sony TV’s? If we took that stand with each device that was the fault of some issue we'd quickly run out of electronics and go back to the tube radios some of us remember from way back.  No, I for one will just work with what I have. My issue arose this week because of the want for a longer cable which I knew needed to be active and would be better if it were fiber, so I bought a very good cable. I believe there still may be a setting on the tv that could help, but I just need to dig a little. Emotiva will probably come up with something that will fool devices like my tv into being less impetuous. But until then, I'm ok with what I've already discovered. Now, there is an issue that my new HDMI cable has almost completely solved. And that is a digital static and digital tone that happens when using TiVo skip features. It happens when the video is jumbled from using Instant Replay or Fast Forward, etc, and when the video is stabilizing these noises occur, but only when using Dolby Audio setting on the TiVo. Again with the TiVo! But this one probably is TiVo's fault. I guess I might have to test these things using my projector this weekend to nail down if the problems follow the display or not. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 5, 2022 17:04:22 GMT -5
Should we stay away from Sony TV’s? If we took that stand with each device that was the fault of some issue we'd quickly run out of electronics and go back to the tube radios some of us remember from way back. ... Yeah baby, my first clock radio was my gateway drug to music! KRLA and some great DJs -- including a very young Casey Kasem in the afternoon, where I learned a lot about the musicians behind the songs being played. ... I'm about four years into my latest Sony TV and I would definitely buy another, though I'll decide based on whose got the size and features I want when I'm ready for a new one. I agree, we can't start eliminating major brands because of a quirk, because they all have one or another. |
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Post by tngiloy on May 5, 2022 18:04:02 GMT -5
Should we stay away from Sony TV’s? If we took that stand with each device that was the fault of some issue we'd quickly run out of electronics and go back to the tube radios some of us remember from way back. No, I for one will just work with what I have. My issue arose this week because of the want for a longer cable which I knew needed to be active and would be better if it were fiber, so I bought a very good cable. I believe there still may be a setting on the tv that could help, but I just need to dig a little. Emotiva will probably come up with something that will fool devices like my tv into being less impetuous. But until then, I'm ok with what I've already discovered. Now, there is an issue that my new HDMI cable has almost completely solved. And that is a digital static and digital tone that happens when using TiVo skip features. It happens when the video is jumbled from using Instant Replay or Fast Forward, etc, and when the video is stabilizing these noises occur, but only when using Dolby Audio setting on the TiVo. Again with the TiVo! But this one probably is TiVo's fault. I guess I might have to test these things using my projector this weekend to nail down if the problems follow the display or not. I own a 2016 LG and it has an option for faster turn on- forget what they call it, but it keeps the TV in a higher powered standby that turns it on faster. The Sony might have a similar setting to try. You might also try putting the Tivo in 'standby' mode when turning off. I don't remember if you use a universal remote, but I can turn off (put into standby immediately-not having to wait for 2or4 hr auto shut down) both my Roamio and Bolt when the system is shut down. They wake up with a 'enter/select' command when I want to watch them. I turn off CEC on all components and use the universal remote. Knowing you, you will figure this out (if possible). Just a couple of thoughts. |
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Post by ttocs on May 5, 2022 18:15:18 GMT -5
I own a 2016 LG and it has an option for faster turn on- forget what they call it, but it keeps the TV in a higher powered standby that turns it on faster. The Sony might have a similar setting to try. You might also try putting the Tivo in 'standby' mode when turning off. I don't remember if you use a universal remote, but I can turn off (put into standby immediately-not having to wait for 2or4 hr auto shut down) both my Roamio and Bolt when the system is shut down. They wake up with a 'enter/select' command when I want to watch them. I turn off CEC on all components and use the universal remote. Knowing you, you will figure this out (if possible). Just a couple of thoughts. Thank You! All excellent thoughts! I happen to be a few minutes away from turning on the tv after changing a setting which happens to be the magic number of "15 minutes", so I'm waiting 30 minutes just to be beyond its limit. During this time I've been reading about "HDCP Lockup", and am wondering if it's related to my issue where the tv goes by by and TiVo is running but can no longer check the HDCP? I also don't use CEC. The issue with why I leave the TiVo EDGE on all the time is that it will give me more than a half hour of "Live TV" on all six tuners, so if something seems interesting I can hit record and get over an hour of "back-stepping" and see more of a program I otherwise would've missed. I'll give the TiVo standby a try, however. Thanks! edit: No go. That setting is one of several settings for sleep mode control where the tv changes state after 15 minutes of "no signal". So now I put the TiVo to sleep. edit2: It was kinda rough restarting the TiVo, and the reason was the coax was not making great contact due to only being 99% tight. I only turned the nut about 1/16 turn to tighten but the signal strength went from 0% to 100%. So it's a pretty good assumption that this makes some of the testing, up to now, suspect. But in getting things kinda back to normal I noticed there might be something up with TiVo's Dolby Audio vs PCM, because now, since tightening the coax on the TiVo, I had to use the power injector for the fiber HDMI cable to get Dolby Audio to work while the XMC-2 is in VRO. But PCM audio will work for VRO without the power injector connected. Weird, huh? I just turned off the tv for the first time using the power injector, and am leaving TiVo w/Dolby Audio as the input while XMC-2 is in VRO. |
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Post by aswiss on May 6, 2022 6:51:26 GMT -5
And another Podcast without any information about the progress with the FW, the new HDMI Board etc.
Wish you all a good weekend.
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Post by Lsc on May 6, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
And another Podcast without any information about the progress with the FW, the new HDMI Board etc. Wish you all a good weekend. Thanks for the heads up. Guess I won’t need to listen to the podcast:). |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 6, 2022 9:32:24 GMT -5
And another Podcast without any information about the progress with the FW, the new HDMI Board etc. Wish you all a good weekend. Thanks for the heads up. Guess I won’t need to listen to the podcast:). Anybody remember the last time that there was something relevant in a podcast? |
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Post by 5channels on May 6, 2022 9:40:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up. Guess I won’t need to listen to the podcast:). Anybody remember the last time that there was something relevant in a podcast? Nope. My take away from this most recent podcast was that the focus has shifted to a more bare bones approach. It's like the processors don't exist |
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Post by PaulBe on May 6, 2022 10:35:15 GMT -5
Anybody remember the last time that there was something relevant in a podcast? Nope. My take away from this most recent podcast was that the focus has shifted a more bare bones approach. It's like the processors don't exist In the future, perhaps Emotiva's premier product will be a table radio. Macintosh has their versions. My 40 year old table radio still works, and never needs a reboot. |
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Post by doc1963 on May 6, 2022 10:53:51 GMT -5
I've taken clues from the "cast" of previous podcasts... If Lonnie is involved, there's likely something technical and worth listening to. If he isn't, then it's likely just sales, promotional or (maybe) new product. Either way, I listen to them because I enjoy them. I just use my own formula (above) to set my expectations appropriately...  |
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Post by geebo on May 6, 2022 12:06:19 GMT -5
Nope. My take away from this most recent podcast was that the focus has shifted a more bare bones approach. It's like the processors don't exist In the future, perhaps Emotiva's premier product will be a table radio. Macintosh has their versions. My 40 year old table radio still works, and never needs a reboot. How is it with 4k Dolby Vision and Atmos movies?  |
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