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Post by geebo on Jun 9, 2022 14:04:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't use the internal pink noise to do the leveling as it bypass a lot of things(Dirac, etc) but rather you should use REW. Also the internal is a full band pink. You want a limited band pink between 500 Hz and 2 kHz for speaker leveling. Actually ... while I agree that it's best to use the REW Signal Generator and SPL Meter ... it's a little more complicated ... First, the pink noise from the processor does play with whatever Equalization slot is active. I just tried it with a Dirac slot vs my User slot (which has no filters) and the response follows what I would expect with the Dirac slot having a flatter profile. Here's my left front which is full range with processor noise up to 2KHz then rolling off ... (ignore the 40Hz peak ... that's ambient noise from a nearby refrigerator) View AttachmentREW band limited 500-2KHz for the left front looks like this ... View AttachmentProcessor Level noise appears to NOT include bass management, as this response from my front top speaker shows it's falloff below 100Hz ... View AttachmentTesting small speakers from REW would of course include bass management, though it wouldn't matter since you would use the 500-2kHz speaker cal noise. The response for the sub processor noise represents the 120Hz 12db/octave low pass filter that is applied to the LFE channel View AttachmentThe sub response with REW noise band limited 30-80Hz looks like this ... View AttachmentBut comparing the levels of the processor sub noise to the REW sub noise, the processor sub noise measured +5db above the left front, while the REW noise measured +10db above the left front. I would expect +10db or 0db, but not something in between. The REW measurement has to be correct because the processor should (and does) add the +10db required for the LFE channel. Of course the other issue is that we can only measure standard 7.1 speaker arrangement with REW. We have to use the processor noise to check Atmos tops. I normally use REW to set the 7.1 levels, then use left front as a reference and set the top speaker levels using the processor noise. I agree levels are affected by whatever Dirac filters are in use and proved it to myself as you did. Prior to that I would adjust level after running Dirac while using an elevated bass Dirac filter. I always had to bring down the sub levels to match the other speakers and ended up with weak bass. Now I have a Dirac filter that is adjusted for flat response in each of my presets and I always use those when adjusting levels and my end results have been much better. |
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Post by autocrat on Jun 9, 2022 17:03:26 GMT -5
Are you talking about the issues that were fixed more than 2 years ago? Hopefully they'll remain fixed in the next update. No. I'm talking about the issues that linger from more than two years ago. These issues were not completely fixed. Some issues had improvements but not fixes. I'm not expecting miracles with anything I buy. As a product developer, in bth hardware and software, I am more than sympathetic to the issues that Emotiva is trying to address. I'm not throwing my arms up in a reactionary way. But I'm beginning to draw my line in the sand. What jitter issues persist? |
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Post by NicS on Jun 9, 2022 17:25:20 GMT -5
No. I'm talking about the issues that linger from more than two years ago. These issues were not completely fixed. Some issues had improvements but not fixes. I'm not expecting miracles with anything I buy. As a product developer, in bth hardware and software, I am more than sympathetic to the issues that Emotiva is trying to address. I'm not throwing my arms up in a reactionary way. But I'm beginning to draw my line in the sand. What jitter issues persist? I saw tests of the RMC-1 post firmware update 2.0 that showed an improvement in jitter, though by no means eliminated. Of course I'd be delighted if this is not completely resolved, though I haven't seen test data. And since there are restrictions on the input of sources like DSD over USB, it's hard to do any listening comparisons. I hold faith that v3.0 will be a big jump forward in all respects. I'm an optimist. |
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Post by sandbagger on Jun 9, 2022 17:35:46 GMT -5
JVC DLA-RS4910 with the latest FW too Please look for this setting in the menu for the projector and change it to the opposite of however it is set. The RS232 setting can cause the processor to lockup as I discovered recently. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> It was off, switched it to on, left the input on the comcast box and shut it down, was locked up last night when I went to power it on. About 4 power button pushes and it powered on, once it did no buttons on the front worked and no audio/video. Just like it did before |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 9, 2022 17:51:07 GMT -5
Please look for this setting in the menu for the projector and change it to the opposite of however it is set. The RS232 setting can cause the processor to lockup as I discovered recently. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> It was off, switched it to on, left the input on the comcast box and shut it down, was locked up last night when I went to power it on. About 4 power button pushes and it powered on, once it did no buttons on the front worked and no audio/video. Just like it did before Stuff like this just makes me more obsessed with trying to find a solution. Sorry nothing has worked yet. Thanks for trying though. FYI couple things. When the processor gets to being effectively locked up, it's really that it's super slow - and non responsive to actual commands. So if you press a button on the remote, it'll take a half minute are even a couple minutes, but it'll attempt to complete the command. Attempt is the key word here. Not all commands will execute. Instead of a cold boot, you can press the Power button on the remote or front power button on the processor and hold it for 6 seconds and it will put the processor into Lowest Power Standby, LPS. This is what I do when mine has locked up. Wait a minute or two and power up again. Should be all good again. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 9, 2022 18:49:36 GMT -5
Sure, there’s always a better way, but if you read his OP you see he wants to use his RS meter for ‘old school’ leveling, I think it and internal tones will do a good job when done right. I disagree. It's not a better way, but the correct way. The other way is wrong and will not get the correct leveling. Sounds like Kobayashi Maru to me, you’re ignoring the OP, I’m not. It’s like answers that begin with “why don’t you just”, which to me says “I don’t know the answer to your question but why don’t you do it this way”. |
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Post by autocrat on Jun 9, 2022 19:51:18 GMT -5
What jitter issues persist? I saw tests of the RMC-1 post firmware update 2.0 that showed an improvement in jitter, though by no means eliminated. Of course I'd be delighted if this is not completely resolved, though I haven't seen test data. And since there are restrictions on the input of sources like DSD over USB, it's hard to do any listening comparisons. I hold faith that v3.0 will be a big jump forward in all respects. I'm an optimist. Jitter distortion for all purposes non-existent. It won't get any better. |
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Post by NicS on Jun 9, 2022 20:29:47 GMT -5
I saw tests of the RMC-1 post firmware update 2.0 that showed an improvement in jitter, though by no means eliminated. Of course I'd be delighted if this is not completely resolved, though I haven't seen test data. And since there are restrictions on the input of sources like DSD over USB, it's hard to do any listening comparisons. I hold faith that v3.0 will be a big jump forward in all respects. I'm an optimist. Jitter distortion for all purposes non-existent. It won't get any better. I will. I’m not bashing the RMC1-L. I’m frustrated by it mostly. But I’m persisting. |
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Post by rudiedj23 on Jun 10, 2022 7:48:20 GMT -5
Appreciate everyone's feedback!!
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Post by keithiegee on Jun 12, 2022 5:20:04 GMT -5
I have had my xmc2 for almost 2 years, I came from an xmc1. I didn’t have many issues with the xmc1 but the xmc2 has never sounded great, muddy bass or zero bass, tried Dirac curves, 3 different Harmen curves, storm audio curves, Nad target curves, I could never get it to sound right, even after getting a reseller to do the Dirac calibration. “Even he said he’s never experienced so many issues in processor while doing a simple Dirac calibration.” Laggy remote /osd, HDMI switching issues, losing 1 out of 4 atmos speaker when level matching, then a loud pop sound will occur when it turns back on during playback, Audible noises with each adjustment of the volume at higher levels -20+…… I’m almost at my limit.
Please tell me there is an major update coming soon to fix the bass management. The other option is to wait for the Anthem AVM70 to come on sale and jump ship and I really don’t want to as I’ve been an emotiva fan for many years now. Just because the emotiva processors are cheaper than their competitors with similar specs doesn’t mean you can release a half baked unit and then take so many years to not even get it right…. I almost feel cheated
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Post by ttocs on Jun 12, 2022 7:51:18 GMT -5
I have had my xmc2 for almost 2 years, I came from an xmc1. I didn’t have many issues with the xmc1 but the xmc2 has never sounded great, muddy bass or zero bass, tried Dirac curves, 3 different Harmen curves, storm audio curves, Nad target curves, I could never get it to sound right, even after getting a reseller to do the Dirac calibration. “Even he said he’s never experienced so many issues in processor while doing a simple Dirac calibration.” Laggy remote /osd, HDMI switching issues, losing 1 out of 4 atmos speaker when level matching, then a loud pop sound will occur when it turns back on during playback, Audible noises with each adjustment of the volume at higher levels -20+…… I’m almost at my limit. Please tell me there is an major update coming soon to fix the bass management. The other option is to wait for the Anthem AVM70 to come on sale and jump ship and I really don’t want to as I’ve been an emotiva fan for many years now. Just because the emotiva processors are cheaper than their competitors with similar specs doesn’t mean you can release a half baked unit and then take so many years to not even get it right…. I almost feel cheated What is the firmware version? FW2.5 has fixed the BM issue for most configs. Factory Reset then rear switch off for several minutes before turning back on. Laggy remote or laggy anything else needs a cold boot. Losing one channel or another during Levels is odd behavior, and needs at least a cold boot. But might be an indicator of needing a repair. |
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Post by jjkessler on Jun 12, 2022 9:29:11 GMT -5
I just sent my RMC-1L in for repair due to it not completing the boot sequence, very good process and hats off to Emotiva and was a good reminder why I buy this brand. My unit was updated to software version 2.5 while at the factory. I won’t have the unit back until Tuesday to see if I notice anything different with V 2.5 but, might be because the replace the ECC1 board
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Post by NicS on Jun 12, 2022 18:21:41 GMT -5
I have had my xmc2 for almost 2 years, I came from an xmc1. I didn’t have many issues with the xmc1 but the xmc2 has never sounded great, muddy bass or zero bass, tried Dirac curves, 3 different Harmen curves, storm audio curves, Nad target curves, I could never get it to sound right, even after getting a reseller to do the Dirac calibration. “Even he said he’s never experienced so many issues in processor while doing a simple Dirac calibration.” Laggy remote /osd, HDMI switching issues, losing 1 out of 4 atmos speaker when level matching, then a loud pop sound will occur when it turns back on during playback, Audible noises with each adjustment of the volume at higher levels -20+…… I’m almost at my limit. Please tell me there is an major update coming soon to fix the bass management. The other option is to wait for the Anthem AVM70 to come on sale and jump ship and I really don’t want to as I’ve been an emotiva fan for many years now. Just because the emotiva processors are cheaper than their competitors with similar specs doesn’t mean you can release a half baked unit and then take so many years to not even get it right…. I almost feel cheated Keith, we feel very much the same way. I think we have both come to this from the same direction. I bought an XMC-1 and despite a few small issue that were either resolved over time, or circumvented by some other means, I was happy with it. When the XMC-2 and the RMC series were introduced I thought "great - here's the v2.0 product with all the issues oof the v1.0 fixed, along with refinements and greater control" - oh boy, was I wrong. From the day I received my RMC-1L I've had nothing but disappointment. I used to avidly recommend Emotiva products. That stopped pretty quickly. I just couldn't recommend something that had been giving me so much trouble, across so many basic functionality issues. The HDMI handshake issues have meant that I have only watched one or two BluRays for six months. It's just such a pain to make the BluRay player connect, involving multiple restarts and a very specific reboot order, my wife just gave up. We receive 150-200 screeners a year. I won an Emmy in 2018, so I'm on the voting panel for the Television academy as well as BAFA (the British society) so I have to watch an awful lot of stuff. These days we opt for the digital screeners. If we get a BluRay that isn't available as a screener, I'll try to get it set up, allowing an hour or so to go through the correct sequence, hoping that the BluRay player will connect. Yet, like you, I persist with my RMC1-L. Though I keep my eyes open for another AVP that will suit my needs. If I'd have found one that offers me what the Emotiva has promised, I might have bailed already. Though instead I just live in perpetual hope that, at some point, this AVP will eventually work as described when it was released. I hope that Emotiva solve these issues and send a unit to Amir at The Audio Science Review to independently test it, then address whatever issues he exposes. This will give Emotiva back some of the credibility it has lost with the people I know who have decent home theatre setups. Because currently they are scared off by people like me who have been tortured by the experience of trying to make the RMC simply change inputs without causing it to melt down. Like you I have used Emotiva products for years. Starting with my XMC-1 I've bought 7 other products from them and recommended at least 5 other people to use their products. The American Film Institute in Hollywood has four Emotiva processors in their screening rooms on my recommendation as I lecture in filmmaking there. It's not that I haven't been the attentive and loyal customer. But my disaffection with the RMC-1L is cooing to a head. If I can't get this all resolved by August, before the awards season deluge begins, I'm going to have to cut my losses and jump ship too. Question is, what is there to replace it? |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jun 12, 2022 21:25:16 GMT -5
I’ve never had a Blu-ray player not connect to my XMC-2. That is very odd behavior. Everything has been working quite well for quite awhile.
I do have two minor complaints:
1) Switching between inputs can be slow. Annoying, but livable.
2) Every once in awhile and rarely, my Apple TV 4K programming will produce what my wife calls, “clicking sounds”. I don’t really hear them, but she has better hearing than I do. The solution is to pause the video and then go into standby mode on the XMC-2, the power back up. Problem fixed. This may happen once every six months.
Both these issues have been discussed at length on this forum.
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Post by Superhelmi on Jun 13, 2022 0:25:10 GMT -5
Hi,
I found out that the most HDMI problems in my setup are because there was a Sony television and a JVC projector connected to the output of the Emotiva at the same time. I bought a hdfury Vertex. With it conected between Emotiva and the displays it works. But it is not so easy to set up the hdfury for anyone, I think.
The only "isue" I get from time to time is a crackling sound, but this could easy be resolved by changing from DD to dts and back (PCM from AppleTV).
So I`m very happy with my XMC-2 !
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Post by AntonP on Jun 13, 2022 5:07:35 GMT -5
Is it possible to get atmos from htpc via USB?
I connected htpc to my lg oled c9 (4k 120hz) and would like to to have surround sound (or atmos) from rmc-1.
with usb connection i have only stereo option
with dual hdmi (from strix 3080ti) connection to TV and RMC-1 only one output device is active
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 13, 2022 8:39:54 GMT -5
Is it possible to get atmos from htpc via USB? I connected htpc to my lg oled c9 (4k 120hz) and would like to to have surround sound (or atmos) from rmc-1. with usb connection i have only stereo option with dual hdmi (from strix 3080ti) connection to TV and RMC-1 only one output device is active I don’t know the capabilities of your HTPC, but the RMC via the USB port will only deliver stereo. It has been mentioned that adding ‘multichannel’ capability to USB was on ‘the list’ (for a future update), but I never heard Atmos specifically mentioned. I would would explore ARC. |
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Post by AntonP on Jun 13, 2022 8:49:30 GMT -5
ARC doesnt have enough bandwich for hires/atmos ((
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Post by Jean Genie on Jun 13, 2022 9:11:28 GMT -5
ARC doesnt have enough bandwich for hires/atmos (( ...is that a pastrami bandwich & a hires root beer😅😉? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 13, 2022 10:16:42 GMT -5
ARC doesnt have enough bandwich for hires/atmos (( If that’s a requirement you’ll probably have to wait for the HDMI 2.1 board, which by the latest accounts is the next G3P related product that will be delivered. This should support eARC and have the necessary bandwidth, 4K/120 is also part of the 2.1 spec, so alternately you might be able to run your signal through the RMC. |
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