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Post by novisnick on Jul 23, 2022 20:30:58 GMT -5
Yes, there is Tidal on ATH4K, I’m looking at it. Do you own a ATV4K or the older version? If you have the 4K version, when is the last time you looked for the app in the app store? Let me know if I can help further. Oh, I use Korea account and Tidal service is not available in Korea…! I forgot to use US account to use Tidal. I did login with US account, and wolla! There is tidal and I successfully installed it. Thanks for your help! |
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Post by jasonf on Jul 24, 2022 12:52:55 GMT -5
Having owned an XMC-1 (it sucked: full of bugs, bricked and sent back to beautiful Williamson County TN) and traded it for an RMC-1L, v.2.5 and still buggy as hell, I honestly don't think Emotiva is capable of producing a stable product. Call it v.3, v.4, v.5, whatever you want, you owe it to yourselves not to expect much so you won't be disappointed in the end. This opinion is validated by a statement "Keith" made in another prior post about "they're processors, they will all act and behave differently, YMMV". What kind of BS answer is that? So many companies are capable of producing products or systems that just work, Emotiva still can't. Spending 15 minutes every time trying to boot up my RMC-1L, unplugging, rebooting Apple-TV, Fire cube, Roku, etc., then enduring pops and black screen pauses every time I change a music channel in AppleTV, is simply not worth it anymore. I didn't sign up to buy the reliability of a mid-70s FIAT in the form of an audio processor. No wonder I barely use this system and instead use my elaborate Sonos system, which I know y'all will scoff at but it has 80% of the sound quality with 200% of the reliability that my Emotiva processor has. I turn Sonos on and it just works. No surprises, no praying, no cussing. This posts seems a little unnecessary. I don't think you're using the Sonos because of Emotiva. The Marantz 8805A exists at the same price, with nearly the same features, and same DACs if you just want a more "baked" processor. If you think the Sonos sounds nearly as good... maybe Sonos is all you need. That's OK. The market has a spot for low/mid-cost convenience over high-quality legacy solutions. But, your issues feel hyperbolic. - It does not take 15 minutes to start up an RMC. - Power cycling is an issue - on occasion. - I've never had to reboot my AppleTV unless there was a problem with the AppleTV. - Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.) Yes, Emotiva is a smaller manufacturer and it's difficult to fund large engineering teams. If you buy a processor from Sound United, your $5K processor gets the benefit of software engineering put into the 1,000,000 cheaper receivers sold at Costco. My biggest disappointment is just having to turn off features that I know work elsewhere (ahem, CEC input switching), but every release has been a little better, and I still think this is the most well built processor for the money. |
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Post by resonance on Jul 24, 2022 13:23:56 GMT -5
Before I get into the reason why I am here just would like to add a comment about the speaker popping issues that I have read some users are having with their processors. Way back when I spent premium money on a AVM 20 and it had the same issue.
So with that out of the way can anyone help me with a problem I am having with dual subs? First off they don't seem to be functioning correctly and my velodyne will turn itself on and off randomly even with my XMC-2 turned off.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 24, 2022 13:51:14 GMT -5
Before I get into the reason why I am here just would like to add a comment about the speaker popping issues that I have read some users are having with their processors. Way back when I spent premium money on a AVM 20 and it had the same issue. So with that out of the way can anyone help me with a problem I am having with dual subs? First off they don't seem to be functioning correctly and my velodyne will turn itself on and off randomly even with my XMC-2 turned off. Are you using the XMC-2 trigger output to turn on your velodyne subs? You don't say what Velodyne subs you have, so not sure of it's triggering/audio sensing abilities. Since you say they turn on and off randomly with the XMC-2 turned off, I would think this is a question for Velodyne customer service. |
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Post by ttocs on Jul 24, 2022 15:25:54 GMT -5
So with that out of the way can anyone help me with a problem I am having with dual subs? First off they don't seem to be functioning correctly and my velodyne will turn itself on and off randomly even with my XMC-2 turned off. Disconnect the sub from everything except power. This will rule out a ground loop issue with another component. If the problem goes away, then you might try connecting power for the sub to the same source of power for other components. I had to do this with some subwoofer/component combos. If the above doesn't work, it could still be a grounding issue, but with the house electrical supply. So try using a 2 wire power cable. This will definitely rule out a grounding issue with the house electrical. If none of the above works to eliminate the problem, then it's the subwoofer. |
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Post by atomsite on Jul 25, 2022 10:14:25 GMT -5
Maybe the surprise is the release of the mythical channel expansion modules alongside FW3.0 🥵 Expanding channels is a waste if the Dolby/DTS upmixer doesn’t send anything to them… |
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Post by NicS on Jul 25, 2022 14:05:12 GMT -5
Having owned an XMC-1 (it sucked: full of bugs, bricked and sent back to beautiful Williamson County TN) and traded it for an RMC-1L, v.2.5 and still buggy as hell, I honestly don't think Emotiva is capable of producing a stable product. Call it v.3, v.4, v.5, whatever you want, you owe it to yourselves not to expect much so you won't be disappointed in the end. This opinion is validated by a statement "Keith" made in another prior post about "they're processors, they will all act and behave differently, YMMV". What kind of BS answer is that? So many companies are capable of producing products or systems that just work, Emotiva still can't. Spending 15 minutes every time trying to boot up my RMC-1L, unplugging, rebooting Apple-TV, Fire cube, Roku, etc., then enduring pops and black screen pauses every time I change a music channel in AppleTV, is simply not worth it anymore. I didn't sign up to buy the reliability of a mid-70s FIAT in the form of an audio processor. No wonder I barely use this system and instead use my elaborate Sonos system, which I know y'all will scoff at but it has 80% of the sound quality with 200% of the reliability that my Emotiva processor has. I turn Sonos on and it just works. No surprises, no praying, no cussing. This posts seems a little unnecessary. I don't think you're using the Sonos because of Emotiva. The Marantz 8805A exists at the same price, with nearly the same features, and same DACs if you just want a more "baked" processor. If you think the Sonos sounds nearly as good... maybe Sonos is all you need. That's OK. The market has a spot for low/mid-cost convenience over high-quality legacy solutions. But, your issues feel hyperbolic. - It does not take 15 minutes to start up an RMC. - Power cycling is an issue - on occasion. - I've never had to reboot my AppleTV unless there was a problem with the AppleTV. - Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.) Yes, Emotiva is a smaller manufacturer and it's difficult to fund large engineering teams. If you buy a processor from Sound United, your $5K processor gets the benefit of software engineering put into the 1,000,000 cheaper receivers sold at Costco. My biggest disappointment is just having to turn off features that I know work elsewhere (ahem, CEC input switching), but every release has been a little better, and I still think this is the most well built processor for the money. But, your issues feel hyperbolic - Nope. These are all legitimate. - It does not take 15 minutes to start up an RMC - some days it will take me an hour to get my RMC-1L to start and be able to play a BluRay, because of well documented HDMI handshake issues discussed in this very forum.- Power cycling is an issue - on occasion - I'd say frequently.- I've never had to reboot my AppleTV unless there was a problem with the AppleTV - with my RMC-1L, I have to reboot my AppleTV at least onece a week to get it to handshake.- Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.) - I've tried that. I still get the black screen issue.
While I'm not as vitriolic as our friend "theflyingdutchmen", I certainly think his frustration is justified. |
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Post by jasonf on Jul 25, 2022 16:19:40 GMT -5
- I've never had to reboot my AppleTV unless there was a problem with the AppleTV - with my RMC-1L, I have to reboot my AppleTV at least onece a week to get it to handshake.- Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.) - I've tried that. I still get the black screen issue.
That's odd - I can't imagine why your AppleTV experience would be different than me or anyone else. You have an AppleTV 4K going directly into the RMC @4k/60hz HDR 4:2:2, and quality cables? And you have CEC input switching disabled? |
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Post by NicS on Jul 25, 2022 16:26:46 GMT -5
- I've never had to reboot my AppleTV unless there was a problem with the AppleTV - with my RMC-1L, I have to reboot my AppleTV at least onece a week to get it to handshake.- Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.) - I've tried that. I still get the black screen issue.
That's odd - I can't imagine why your AppleTV experience would be different than me or anyone else. You have an AppleTV 4K going directly into the RMC @4k/60hz 4:2:2, and quality cables? And you have CEC input switching disabled? I will check again….. |
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Post by sandbagger on Jul 25, 2022 21:14:55 GMT -5
After the leaked FW was found not to work, are they scrapping it and re-writing it from the ground up, sure seems to be taking a very long time
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Post by thezone on Jul 25, 2022 22:46:26 GMT -5
- Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.) Sorry if this is slightly off topic but can I ask what you mean by "Turn off source formatting," in the ATV? Do you mean turn off match frame rate and match resolution? |
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Post by jasonf on Jul 25, 2022 23:05:00 GMT -5
- Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.) Sorry if this is slightly off topic but can I ask what you mean by "Turn off source formatting," in the ATV? Do you mean turn off match frame rate and match resolution? I'm talking about "Match Content" that reformats the video for resolution and HDR. I personally don't have any issue with those, but it sounds like others have. I have them off because I prefer to leave any content scaling/modification to the TV itself. |
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Post by jasonf on Jul 25, 2022 23:18:02 GMT -5
That's odd - I can't imagine why your AppleTV experience would be different than me or anyone else. You have an AppleTV 4K going directly into the RMC @4k/60hz 4:2:2, and quality cables? And you have CEC input switching disabled? I will check again….. I've never rebooted this AppleTV that I can remember. Connected to HDMI1. |
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Post by Lsc on Jul 25, 2022 23:30:06 GMT -5
I've never rebooted this AppleTV that I can remember. Connected to HDMI1. I have to reboot my ATV4K all the time. I have the older generation and it seems to run out of memory. Actually I have 2 of them and I reboot it before going to Apple Music app as the most issue happen in that app ie music videos don’t start playing. It’s no big deal though…just part of the routine. My XMC2 though requires no reboot though. No issues (except for ARC) where I think my LG C7 has issues as well. Otherwise, I just turn everything on using my Logitech Harmony and everything works (ATV4K, iMac for higher quality music via Amazon music, or Sony 4K blu-ray). Simple system so I wouldn’t expect anything less. |
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Post by jasonf on Jul 25, 2022 23:34:17 GMT -5
I've never rebooted this AppleTV that I can remember. Connected to HDMI1. I have to reboot my ATV4K all the time. I have the older generation and it seems to run out of memory. Actually I have 2 of them and I reboot it before going to Apple Music app as the most issue happen in that app ie music videos don’t start playing. It’s no big deal though…just part of the routine. My XMC2 though requires no reboot though. No issues (except for ARC) where I think my LG C7 has issues as well. Otherwise, I just turn everything on using my Logitech Harmony and everything works (ATV4K, iMac for higher quality music via Amazon music, or Sony 4K blu-ray). Simple system so I wouldn’t expect anything less. I can't speak to the older AppleTVs... maybe time for an upgrade! I agree I've never been fully happy about ARC. I thought I'd run my PS5 straight to the TV for all the video game features and use ARC, but no. I gave up and ran it to the processor - and honestly, it's totally fine that way to me. In a perfect world I'd run all video sources direct to the TV (ideally with a Samsung One Connect box), and then eARC out to the processor. A couple of caveats about my video - HDMI input switching is turned OFF, so I have to use the Emotiva remote to change sources off the AppleTV. If I enable it, the Apple TV flashes madly every time I change apps. CEC volume is turned off, and I programmed the remote for IR to the processor, because otherwise it randomly loses the CEC connection and sometimes it changes volume on the processor and other times it changes volume on the TV. But all things considered - it works. I'm very much looking forward to the upcoming CEC features. If Emotiva never addresses the CEC issues, I will probably just trade for a Marantz 8805A someday, but I am hopeful these are addressed and I can depend on the RMC for another 5 years. |
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Post by Lsc on Jul 26, 2022 0:39:51 GMT -5
I can't speak to the older AppleTVs... maybe time for an upgrade! I agree I've never been fully happy about ARC. I thought I'd run my PS5 straight to the TV for all the video game features and use ARC, but no. I gave up and ran it to the processor - and honestly, it's totally fine that way to me. In a perfect world I'd run all video sources direct to the TV (ideally with a Samsung One Connect box), and then eARC out to the processor. A couple of caveats about my video - HDMI input switching is turned OFF, so I have to use the Emotiva remote to change sources off the AppleTV. If I enable it, the Apple TV flashes madly every time I change apps. CEC volume is turned off, and I programmed the remote for IR to the processor, because otherwise it randomly loses the CEC connection and sometimes it changes volume on the processor and other times it changes volume on the TV. But all things considered - it works. I'm very much looking forward to the upcoming CEC features. I figured that could be the disconnect. The older ATV4K was showing signs of being obsolete but we will see what this latest firmware release can do. The ARC is so frustrating, I don’t even know if I’ll try it with firmware 3.0 whenever that’s released. |
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Post by jasonf on Jul 26, 2022 0:57:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I won't argue that ARC is broken. It's just one of the features that I avoid. And that's kind of my thing about the RMC... stick in the bounds of the things it does well and it's fine. Venture out at your own peril |
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 26, 2022 8:56:16 GMT -5
- Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.). Turn off ”source formatting”? Excuse me? This is the main reason AppleTV is still in the game! Shield will not do this as smoothly or will not work at all for some sources. Do you know of any other media player which handle frame rate changes automatically? I’m talking about streaming now.. Devices that handle locally stored material OK there are plenty of. Having it at 60hz all the time is NOT a solution. You could turn it of temporarily when doing anything other than watching video sources. But IMO for any video/streaming source you will want it on. |
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Post by jasonf on Jul 26, 2022 14:01:21 GMT -5
- Black screen issues in AppleTV are easily resolved, we know what settings cause that to happen. (Turn off source formatting, which IMO you don't want on the Apple TV anyways, and turn off CEC input switching.). Turn off ”source formatting”? Excuse me? This is the main reason AppleTV is still in the game! Shield will not do this as smoothly or will not work at all for some sources. Do you know of any other media player which handle frame rate changes automatically? I’m talking about streaming now.. Devices that handle locally stored material OK there are plenty of. Having it at 60hz all the time is NOT a solution. You could turn it of temporarily when doing anything other than watching video sources. But IMO for any video/streaming source you will want it on. Fair point - I never really messed with it before and just tried it out. I didn't have a problems playing music, like some people said above. I did get a quick flash and a couple of pops when starting/stopping a movie or show. I can see how that would be annoying. |
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Post by EmoBrent on Jul 26, 2022 17:10:25 GMT -5
Yes, turning off Match Content dynamic range and framerate, along with the CEC "Control TVs and Receivers," in the Apple TV will eliminate most blackouts when changing/starting material or apps. By nature, when you have the source change either the dynamic range or framerate, the HDMI handshake is renegotiated on some level, at least with HDMI 2.0b. The severity of how this looks is source and display-dependent. I think that the HDMI processing speed of the XMC-2/RMC-1/L exacerbates this slightly, but this is what is happening and can be avoided if you configure it properly. If you alter these settings on the Roku (which is deeper in the menus but there on the latest Ultras at least) to switch dynamic range and framerate to match the original source, the same thing will happen. Many streamers don't offer this as a standard option to avoid this issue. Projectors, especially older 1080p projectors, only make this worse if you are experiencing it.
I know there will still be reasons to complain about 3.0 when it is released, but I am still excited for it. The reasons it was pulled back and is still delayed are some of the exact same complaints many are expressing. So we could have released it a few weeks ago sure. And it won't be perfect still once released. I know it has been a long road.
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