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Post by KeithL on Sept 2, 2022 16:34:55 GMT -5
Just to mention something here... In response to the idea of loading PEQ filters created by an external program directly into our processors.The short answer is that you actually CAN do this.Our XMC-1, XMC-2, RMC-1, and RMC-1L have the ability to save their PEQ settings to files, and to read PEQ filter settings from files. With the XMC-1 it was actually possible to read filters saved by REW into the processor directly. And, in fact, REW has a setting to save its filter files in the correct format (it did and I believe it still does). This enabled you to use room correction filters created by REW with our processors if you wanted to. (They're simply loaded as a set of PEQ settings into one of the Manual Filter presets.) It's a bit of a nuisance, and REW complicates matters by measuring and calibrating channels one at a time. As a result you have to save a set of filter files, one for each channel, then - for each file - you have to adjust the file name and a text tag inside the file. Once you do that you simply read the resulting set of filter files into the processor. However, while not many folks used this feature, I actually spoke to several people who did this successfully with their XMC-1's. (It takes some attention to detail but it's not really difficult beyond that.) The main reason we haven't discussed this capability on the current processors is simply that nobody has expressed much interest. And, of course, there are a lot more channels, some of which can even be reassigned, which makes it more important to keep track of file names and tags quite precisely. However, once you know the details of how the process works, and a few little tricks along the way, it's not that difficult to do. (To be quite honest we haven't even confirmed that it still works as expected since there has been so little interest so far.) HOWEVER, if you guys are interested in this, I'll be glad to revisit it... Just let me know and I'll start a new thread to explain how to do it... (Send me a few PM's if you're really interested... ) I felt the same way when I read that, I don’t want to have to get on my desktop or laptop to setup my processor or make changes (I use my iPad for probably 80-90% of my computer needs). As long as the interface is a browser, and not an app, that should cover all devices, but if someone decided to write say a Windows App, that would be a real problem. Please for the love of all that is holy do not make it a Windows App...lol Yes I agree with others, I think completely removing the OSD or the availability to make changes just with the remote is a backwards step. That's why I would be fine to leave the OSD in it's basic form as it is. I don't want to speak for everyone but I think the addition of a modern web based UI (not an app tied to iOS and Android as others have said) opens up the possibility of doing that from any device that has a web browser, PC, Mac, Tablet, or Phones. I would not necessarily need to use the web UI very often, but it would be extremely handy for when you need to make multiple changes, getting ready to run Dirac, etc. There is also the possibility of improving and adding more advanced features that cannot really be done from an OSD, as I mentioned previously the HTP-1 has the ability to do things like load Bass EQ filters directly into the PEQ of the device directly from the web UI (thanks to a custom web UI from PinkSoda over on AVS) which takes the MiniDSP out of the equation for those of us who like to do things like that....something to consider... I understand this is no small undertaking from a development side, but I personally think it would pay off by legitimizing these processors as modern competitors to the other brands out there who are already doing this. |
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Post by 5channels on Sept 2, 2022 17:40:06 GMT -5
Gee Keith, what part of Hooterville are you from? I hope you don't climb a pole to make a phone call. LOL!
I'm showing my age
A GUI, if designed well, can always enhance ease of use and navigation, and yes provide a more intuitive path to fine-tuning. Don't forget, we are visual creatures. It is 2022, going on 2023, not 1990.
We dont watch the GUI, we use the GUI as our power tool
Cheers...enjoy the weekend...and say Hi to Mr. Haney for me ;-)
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Post by richb on Sept 2, 2022 18:13:44 GMT -5
... as I mentioned previously Monoprice and the HTP-1 has done a good job of making it so it has the ability to do things like load Bass EQ filters directly into the PEQ of the device which takes the MiniDSP out of the equation for those of us who like to do things like that....something to consider...... I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said, but I just want to clarify your statement above... An HTP-1 owner who's well versed in HTML created the custom web GUI that allows the HTP-1 to load Bass EQ filters directly into the PEQ. Pink Soda deserves all of the credit for his custom GUI. Neither Monoprice, nor the HTP-1's true OEM (MDS and ATI), had anything to do with it. In a more recent development, another HTP-1 owner who is well versed in Linux has written a custom firmware (that runs from a flash card) that hopefully eliminates the "boot loop" issue. Monoprice has seemingly all but abandoned the HTP-1 and Hobie has myserterioulsy (or conveniently) disappeared from the users threads. Thankfully, for HTP-1 owners, there are users of the product that are savvy enough to make the best of it... This effectively makes the HTP-1 a non product. Monoprice cannot service it and replacement units are not available. - Rich |
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Post by richb on Sept 2, 2022 18:17:42 GMT -5
For configuration, a Web interface has the opportunity to eliminate OSD menus and run much faster.
The UI is offloaded and can have a commit. This is ideal for complex settings.
I use the RMC-1 OSM (On screen menus sparingly).
I use the OSD daily and also the remote commands to make temporary adjustments in the center channel volume and sometime the audio format.
I do not use the USM at all for normal operations and would much prefer a web interface.
- Rich
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Post by sebna on Sept 2, 2022 18:22:47 GMT -5
Just to mention something here... In response to the idea of loading PEQ filters created by an external program directly into our processors.The short answer is that you actually CAN do this.Our XMC-1, XMC-2, RMC-1, and RMC-1L have the ability to save their PEQ settings to files, and to read PEQ filter settings from files. With the XMC-1 it was actually possible to read filters saved by REW into the processor directly. And, in fact, REW has a setting to save its filter files in the correct format (it did and I believe it still does). This enabled you to use room correction filters created by REW with our processors if you wanted to. (They're simply loaded as a set of PEQ settings into one of the Manual Filter presets.) It's a bit of a nuisance, and REW complicates matters by measuring and calibrating channels one at a time. As a result you have to save a set of filter files, one for each channel, then - for each file - you have to adjust the file name and a text tag inside the file. Once you do that you simply read the resulting set of filter files into the processor. However, while not many folks used this feature, I actually spoke to several people who did this successfully with their XMC-1's. (It takes some attention to detail but it's not really difficult beyond that.) The main reason we haven't discussed this capability on the current processors is simply that nobody has expressed much interest. And, of course, there are a lot more channels, some of which can even be reassigned, which makes it more important to keep track of file names and tags quite precisely. However, once you know the details of how the process works, and a few little tricks along the way, it's not that difficult to do. (To be quite honest we haven't even confirmed that it still works as expected since there has been so little interest so far.) HOWEVER, if you guys are interested in this, I'll be glad to revisit it... Just let me know and I'll start a new thread to explain how to do it... (Send me a few PM's if you're really interested... ) Please for the love of all that is holy do not make it a Windows App...lol Yes I agree with others, I think completely removing the OSD or the availability to make changes just with the remote is a backwards step. That's why I would be fine to leave the OSD in it's basic form as it is. I don't want to speak for everyone but I think the addition of a modern web based UI (not an app tied to iOS and Android as others have said) opens up the possibility of doing that from any device that has a web browser, PC, Mac, Tablet, or Phones. I would not necessarily need to use the web UI very often, but it would be extremely handy for when you need to make multiple changes, getting ready to run Dirac, etc. There is also the possibility of improving and adding more advanced features that cannot really be done from an OSD, as I mentioned previously the HTP-1 has the ability to do things like load Bass EQ filters directly into the PEQ of the device directly from the web UI (thanks to a custom web UI from PinkSoda over on AVS) which takes the MiniDSP out of the equation for those of us who like to do things like that....something to consider... I understand this is no small undertaking from a development side, but I personally think it would pay off by legitimizing these processors as modern competitors to the other brands out there who are already doing this. Would it be possible to run DIRAC for all channels other than two subs (for example by setting how low will DIRAC correct to) and then import from REW PEQ filters for two subs and time align them by manipulating distance setting and this way get rid of MiniDSP box of which I am not a fan of? |
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Post by webmst007 on Sept 2, 2022 18:41:09 GMT -5
Keith and Marc + 1 regarding the additional A/D/A steps plus extra connections using outboard processing.
And like others here, I'm only adding for the subs as well at this point.
My issues about mismatched timings are mainly bourne out of focus on timings building cardioid and CBT arrays which don't necessarily translate to these applications.
On the HDMI issues - apart from PA stuff, I ran an IT Dept for a distributed regional agency and we had offices in various locations trying to train staff and talk and conference with video from the mid 2000's. So we experienced all the versions of change
Through VGA, then DVI and then HDMI from the first versions through to the current 2.0. what my old crew tell me (I'm out now) now is the usual mismatches, failures, drop outs, reboots, disconnects and other random stuff still happen.
So we always had so many issues and many were fixed with reboots or better cables. But sometimes gear just would not play nice together as well. And sometimes we ended up going down the "settings" rabbit hole with gear trying all the options and permutations to get stuff to play. Like herding cats at times. And we found this was all HDMI gear regardless of costs.
So when I see the discussions and frustrations caused by HDMI issues I sometimes feel like I'm back reading our help desk incident reports. 🤪🧐🤣🥳
We read lots of material whilst researching various manufacturer's releases and in the end we concluded a few things.
Some gear has really crap HDMI and needs to be binned. Some makers have " freestyle" HDMI and sometimes it plays nice with other gear and sometimes not because there's no obligation or rigour in their implimentations.
It reminded us of Pirates of the Caribbean when they invoked the "Pirate Code Of Parley" and the good Captain explained that the "code" was really just a set of "guidelines",..... 🥳🥳🥳🥳😎
One workaround I use is have a tested and "play nice" "control" input device always on and connected to a HDMI input on the processor. This could be any reliable streamer or simple HDMI-output device which can be left on whilst the processor is on and on standby.
Then - when HDMI issues occur - switch to the control get a stable picture and sound and then switch back to the problem input. Sometimes that can save a processor reboot. If you have lots of switching issues- perhaps consider a HDfury unit for switching inputs.
Finally regarding the g3p series perceived lack of development. I'll give you my perspective. Emotiva are a boutique (small but lovable) manufacturer. Development Resources are limited and are directly linked to sales. So purchases must always factor those limitations. If you need polished standardised error free products then you need to go to global sized companies like Denon/Marantz etc. But don't then be disappointed when the product has no upgrade path or expandability. I'm not certain everyone appreciates just how difficult Emotiva's position is here dealing with their own firmware plus integration with contributions from other software and hardware companies.
AV processors have been a difficult undertaking for small companies to produce successfully for 20 years.
Look at the the Cary Cinema 12 problems which ended their AV processor development.
And compare HDMI firmware development in another boutique offering. The Lumagen Pro processors have undergone literally hundreds of firmware updates dealing with HDMI. And they only really deal with video signals.
So right now here in Oz I can get a processor which can do all AV processing and switching I would like - it's a Storm and it's AUD $17K.
So would I like all the Dirac stuff done and faster/ better switching plus up-mixers and more outputs - sure 😄.
But I can wait and I support this company to produce lots of new decent value for money gear in the meantime - because that's how they fund the development investment I want to see happen.
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Post by ttocs on Sept 2, 2022 19:14:12 GMT -5
Would it be possible to run DIRAC for all channels other than two subs (for example by setting how low will DIRAC correct to) and then import from REW PEQ filters for two subs and time align them by manipulating distance setting and this way get rid of MiniDSP box of which I am not a fan of? No. When a Dirac Slot is chosen as the EQ, no other eq settings are accessible because Dirac "is" the EQ. You may choose one, or, the other, Dirac or USER EQ. If your subs have enough adjustments on them you can get by without a miniDSP. Just daisy-chain the subs, or Y cable, and use subwoofer placement and phase adjustment for alignment to each other (if using just two). Then use the gain on each sub to tune to taste, again, one sub vs the other. After that it's Dirac's turn to smooth the subwoofer output that both subs are connected to. |
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Post by Lsc on Sept 2, 2022 19:25:47 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said, but I just want to clarify your statement above... An HTP-1 owner who's well versed in HTML created the custom web GUI that allows the HTP-1 to load Bass EQ filters directly into the PEQ. Pink Soda deserves all of the credit for his custom GUI. Neither Monoprice, nor the HTP-1's true OEM (MDS and ATI), had anything to do with it. In a more recent development, another HTP-1 owner who is well versed in Linux has written a custom firmware (that runs from a flash card) that hopefully eliminates the "boot loop" issue. Monoprice has seemingly all but abandoned the HTP-1 and Hobie has myserterioulsy (or conveniently) disappeared from the users threads. Thankfully, for HTP-1 owners, there are users of the product that are savvy enough to make the best of it... This effectively makes the HTP-1 a non product. Monoprice cannot service it and replacement units are not available. - Rich I agree. Can’t trust Monoprice which is why I haven’t bought anything from them even though it has been tempting from their subs to amps to the HTP1, I feel like they have exceeded Emotiva from a performance standpoint. But at least Emotiva is still standing by the G3P, albeit in a very limited manner. So both brands have their upsides…the alternative is to look elsewhere and hope that spending more, you actually get more. |
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Post by sebna on Sept 3, 2022 1:03:09 GMT -5
This effectively makes the HTP-1 a non product. Monoprice cannot service it and replacement units are not available. - Rich I agree. Can’t trust Monoprice which is why I haven’t bought anything from them even though it has been tempting from their subs to amps to the HTP1, I feel like they have exceeded Emotiva from a performance standpoint. But at least Emotiva is still standing by the G3P, albeit in a very limited manner. So both brands have their upsides…the alternative is to look elsewhere and hope that spending more, you actually get more. What is G3P? |
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 3, 2022 1:49:44 GMT -5
I agree. Can’t trust Monoprice which is why I haven’t bought anything from them even though it has been tempting from their subs to amps to the HTP1, I feel like they have exceeded Emotiva from a performance standpoint. But at least Emotiva is still standing by the G3P, albeit in a very limited manner. So both brands have their upsides…the alternative is to look elsewhere and hope that spending more, you actually get more. What is G3P? “Gen 3 Processor(s)” |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 3, 2022 8:02:32 GMT -5
I agree. Can’t trust Monoprice which is why I haven’t bought anything from them even though it has been tempting from their subs to amps to the HTP1, I feel like they have exceeded Emotiva from a performance standpoint. But at least Emotiva is still standing by the G3P, albeit in a very limited manner. So both brands have their upsides…the alternative is to look elsewhere and hope that spending more, you actually get more. What is G3P? Specifically an RMC-1, RMC-1L, or XMC-2, easier to use G3P when you want to include them all. Acronym post |
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Post by Dreamer on Sept 4, 2022 17:14:02 GMT -5
Sorry for this simpleton question............
I have two front speakers, a Subwoofer, a Center channel and two rear....... so a channels 5.1 System. I have the two rear channels set up as surrounds not rears. If I go in to set up and go to Speakers and then levels all of the speakers produce sound, and I can change the levels. I go to turntable, I go to tuner or any other input and set it for all stereo so that all channels are playing, the back two channels (the surrounds) do not play. What have I done wrong? What am I missing?
2 HOURS LATER:
Solved with a cold boot.
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Post by nehemiah on Sept 4, 2022 20:12:21 GMT -5
Hello. I have a RMC-1L, XPA-2 Gen3, Spatial M5 Sapphires. I have run Dirac Live. Sound seems pretty good, but I have to turn up to 70-80% maximum for normal listening volume. I have normal hearing. I have desktop speakers that 50% of max volume would be too loud. But my RMC 1L/XPA-2 combination I can basically go to full max and it doesn't seem too loud. This can't really be right that I have to go to 80% max volume for normal listening. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 4, 2022 21:42:47 GMT -5
Hello. I have a RMC-1L, XPA-2 Gen3, Spatial M5 Sapphires. I have run Dirac Live. Sound seems pretty good, but I have to turn up to 70-80% maximum for normal listening volume. I have normal hearing. I have desktop speakers that 50% of max volume would be too loud. But my RMC 1L/XPA-2 combination I can basically go to full max and it doesn't seem too loud. This can't really be right that I have to go to 80% max volume for normal listening. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. It can be normal after running Dirac, which causes a normalization of volumes to occur, this is also to say that if you reset your processor the volume would change (louder). The conventional thinking is that as long as you have sufficient undistorted gain to compensate, it’s not a problem. I’d say if when you’re at 0, you still want to go a lot louder it might be a problem, otherwise maybe not. Typically it’s caused by Dirac trying to compensate for an extreme condition, like a null, if you can reduce the extreme, or curtain it off before running Dirac, you will reduce the compensation (raising the volume). |
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Post by ttocs on Sept 4, 2022 22:26:24 GMT -5
Hello. I have a RMC-1L, XPA-2 Gen3, Spatial M5 Sapphires. I have run Dirac Live. Sound seems pretty good, but I have to turn up to 70-80% maximum for normal listening volume. I have normal hearing. I have desktop speakers that 50% of max volume would be too loud. But my RMC 1L/XPA-2 combination I can basically go to full max and it doesn't seem too loud. This can't really be right that I have to go to 80% max volume for normal listening. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Exactly as AudioHTIT said, lower volume with a Dirac filter is most likely due to Dirac trying to fix an extreme condition. Can you post the frequency curve Dirac measured, not the suggested correction, just the measured curve? Just look for something that's probably in the bass region that is a null. You don't have to run a Dirac measurement again, just load the saved project and check each curve below 100Hz, most likely. |
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Post by ttocs on Sept 5, 2022 8:52:04 GMT -5
Sorry for this simpleton question............ I have two front speakers, a Subwoofer, a Center channel and two rear....... so a channels 5.1 System. I have the two rear channels set up as surrounds not rears. If I go in to set up and go to Speakers and then levels all of the speakers produce sound, and I can change the levels. I go to turntable, I go to tuner or any other input and set it for all stereo so that all channels are playing, the back two channels (the surrounds) do not play. What have I done wrong? What am I missing? 2 HOURS LATER: Solved with a cold boot. Glad you sorted it out! |
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Post by ttocs on Sept 5, 2022 9:40:57 GMT -5
I use my TiVo remote daily for not only the TiVo, but also for tv volume/mute while the processor is in VRO. But many months ago the remote no longer would connect to the TiVo box via RF and ever since is only able to operate via IR, and all of a sudden changing the volume began happening in increments of 2 steps with each button press. Press the button once, get 2 steps of volume change. Point the remote at the tv and try to mute is left with a quick Mute/UnMute, again, 2 steps, so I've had to use the tv remote for muting, I was ok with volume changing 2 steps at a time.
Well, I've been performing a complete reorganization and rewire of my components and finally found what was happening. It's CEC from the TiVo box!!!!! I "thought" there was no setting for this, but there is, and it's a wake-up setting for the TiVo remote. Disabling this setting makes life good again and volume changes are done in single steps again. But, because I dislike CEC so much I installed a Lindy CEC-Less adapter on the TiVo just to make sure, just like I have on my ATV4K and some other sources.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 5, 2022 10:05:12 GMT -5
I use my TiVo remote daily for not only the TiVo, but also for tv volume/mute while the processor is in VRO. But many months ago the remote no longer would connect to the TiVo box via RF and ever since is only able to operate via IR, and all of a sudden changing the volume began happening in increments of 2 steps with each button press. Press the button once, get 2 steps of volume change. Point the remote at the tv and try to mute is left with a quick Mute/UnMute, again, 2 steps, so I've had to use the tv remote for muting, I was ok with volume changing 2 steps at a time. Well, I've been performing a complete reorganization and rewire of my components and finally found what was happening. It's CEC from the TiVo box!!!!! I "thought" there was no setting for this, but there is, and it's a wake-up setting for the TiVo remote. Disabling this setting makes life good again and volume changes are done in single steps again. But, because I dislike CEC so much I installed a Lindy CEC-Less adapter on the TiVo just to make sure, just like I have on my ATV4K and some other sources. Makes me wonder what other gremlins that the TiVo may have been contributing to. Mama Boucher is right, CEC "Is The Devil"!!! |
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Post by ttocs on Sept 5, 2022 10:18:13 GMT -5
I use my TiVo remote daily for not only the TiVo, but also for tv volume/mute while the processor is in VRO. But many months ago the remote no longer would connect to the TiVo box via RF and ever since is only able to operate via IR, and all of a sudden changing the volume began happening in increments of 2 steps with each button press. Press the button once, get 2 steps of volume change. Point the remote at the tv and try to mute is left with a quick Mute/UnMute, again, 2 steps, so I've had to use the tv remote for muting, I was ok with volume changing 2 steps at a time. Well, I've been performing a complete reorganization and rewire of my components and finally found what was happening. It's CEC from the TiVo box!!!!! I "thought" there was no setting for this, but there is, and it's a wake-up setting for the TiVo remote. Disabling this setting makes life good again and volume changes are done in single steps again. But, because I dislike CEC so much I installed a Lindy CEC-Less adapter on the TiVo just to make sure, just like I have on my ATV4K and some other sources. Makes me wonder what other gremlins that the TiVo may have been contributing to. Mama Boucher is right, CEC "Is The Devil"!!! They're all in Kahoots, wherever that is. |
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Post by NicS on Sept 5, 2022 12:02:00 GMT -5
A little birdy told me "today is the day buddy.... all your HDMI handshake woes will evaporate when you download the much awaited v3.0 firmware for your RMC1-L this Labor Day Monday...."
I can't tell you how excited I was. I ran to my computer, almost accessible thought the pile of empty PBR tins. But alas....
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I felt the same way when I read that, I don’t want to have to get on my desktop or laptop to setup my processor or make changes (I use my iPad for probably 80-90% of my computer needs). As long as the interface is a browser, and not an app, that should cover all devices, but if someone decided to write say a Windows App, that would be a real problem. Please for the love of all that is holy do not make it a Windows App...lol 
