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Post by jim80z on Sept 23, 2022 0:35:43 GMT -5
Well hopefully the 2022 annual major release fixes these items :-) I reported a while back that the "pops workaround" using lip sync does not work for me. Thx Do you have any HDMI source that decode DSD without converting to PCM? Thanks Junchoon, I don't use the Home Theatre stack to do any DSD playback. All sources (ATV, MacPro, Nvidia, Oppo, etc) are HDMI (A/V) to the RMC-1. I have a seperate audio stacks that has a MacMini (USB) and an Oppo 203 (HDMI Audio out) that send DSD to a Bryston BDA3 DAC. Not sure this helps you? Why do you ask?
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Post by junchoon on Sept 23, 2022 2:13:46 GMT -5
Do you have any HDMI source that decode DSD without converting to PCM? Thanks Junchoon, I don't use the Home Theatre stack to do any DSD playback. All sources (ATV, MacPro, Nvidia, Oppo, etc) are HDMI (A/V) to the RMC-1. I have a seperate audio stacks that has a MacMini (USB) and an Oppo 203 (HDMI Audio out) that send DSD to a Bryston BDA3 DAC. Not sure this helps you? Why do you ask? The only other time I have pop issue is when I set my Sony xa5400es default output to hdmi instead of analog xlr (I don’t use rca), or when the output on xa5400es has been changed from analog to hdmi and I tried to switch to it. Within xa5400es it will first attempt to output DSD via hdmi before internally converting to pcm I am using xmc-1 but the pop issue if not mistaken is same with rmc-1 My rmc-1 is still in the box. Not keen to opens it until this pop issue is resolved.
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Post by sebna on Sept 23, 2022 5:10:03 GMT -5
I know we all want (and deserve) the entire cake and eat it too (by yesterday)......there will always be priorities and I get how tough this is.......so for what its worth...... Keith/Brent/Emotiva Engineers I need the following (2 bug fixes and 2 enhancements) in priority order: - Bug fix click popping sound when switching formats - this is really *#@%)!@ me off.....if I forget to mute and the click/pop goes through the system I get really annoyed and if I lose a tweeter/speaker my toys will definitely be tossed out of the pram :-) - please get me more channels and the xlr expansion card for the RMC-1 so I can move from 9.1.6 to 9.1.8 (and more subs properly - although see below) - latest up mixer/formats per promise (hand in hand with previous ask of extra channels) - Bug fix bass level issue.....I know I can reduce the bass chanel level by ~10db after level setting but seriously its now been going on forever so lets just get it out of the way As far as other asks, I see them now as nice to have: - I don't normally go into the interface once the theatre is setup, so its fine for what I need and when I need it. No need for fancy interface strictly speaking - so its in the nice to have category - Gave up waiting so bought the MiniDSP Flex to handle my 4 subwoofers and will balance with REW then run DIRAC with the RMC-1 over it. If more channels and DLBC is implemented without bugs then I will use the RMC-1 exclusively and deploy the MiniDSP elsewhere (or sell it) - As far as faster switching and ARC/eArc - switching is fast enough for my use and since I have a single projector, ARC enhancements are not an issue for me Anyway the above is based on my use case ie a medium/large dedicated theatre with single display device, very much set and forget, separate music system, and minimal switching. I would be very happy with the RMC-1 if the above 4 items were sorted. BTW a mate recently purchased the Trinnov A32 and yes the interface is brilliant, and it has the right channel count and format support etc.....but pound for pound audio wise we both agree its not worth the money over the RMC-1 for our use type....in fact he came over to my place before designing his theatre and after spending an afternoon playing around he would have purchased an RMC-1 if the above 4 items were sorted (the click/pop bug and channel count in particular pushed him over the edge and frankly if the roles were reversed I would do the same). Likely Emotiva wish to make the firmware as annual event? In any case the pops has a workaround by setting the lip sync, suggested by a staff from Emotiva. Thanks This is scary stuff, because obviously if we are to use lip sync this way it means that lip sync does not work... I am yet to test my XMC-2 so fingers crossed the lip sync can be sorted somehow if needed.
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Post by sebna on Sept 23, 2022 5:13:25 GMT -5
...... And, yes, it also means that companies are often forced to choose their engineering priorities. Do you want your engineers to work on a cool new interface or more reliable switching? And do you want faster video switching or more audio channels? Or would you like to do both? (Knowing that you'll have to double the price to pay for those extra engineers.) I know we all want (and deserve) the entire cake and eat it too (by yesterday)......there will always be priorities and I get how tough this is.......so for what its worth...... Keith/Brent/Emotiva Engineers I need the following (2 bug fixes and 2 enhancements) in priority order: - Bug fix click popping sound when switching formats - this is really *#@%)!@ me off.....if I forget to mute and the click/pop goes through the system I get really annoyed and if I lose a tweeter/speaker my toys will definitely be tossed out of the pram :-) - please get me more channels and the xlr expansion card for the RMC-1 so I can move from 9.1.6 to 9.1.8 (and more subs properly - although see below) - latest up mixer/formats per promise (hand in hand with previous ask of extra channels) - Bug fix bass level issue.....I know I can reduce the bass chanel level by ~10db after level setting but seriously its now been going on forever so lets just get it out of the way As far as other asks, I see them now as nice to have: - I don't normally go into the interface once the theatre is setup, so its fine for what I need and when I need it. No need for fancy interface strictly speaking - so its in the nice to have category - Gave up waiting so bought the MiniDSP Flex to handle my 4 subwoofers and will balance with REW then run DIRAC with the RMC-1 over it. If more channels and DLBC is implemented without bugs then I will use the RMC-1 exclusively and deploy the MiniDSP elsewhere (or sell it) - As far as faster switching and ARC/eArc - switching is fast enough for my use and since I have a single projector, ARC enhancements are not an issue for me Anyway the above is based on my use case ie a medium/large dedicated theatre with single display device, very much set and forget, separate music system, and minimal switching. I would be very happy with the RMC-1 if the above 4 items were sorted. BTW a mate recently purchased the Trinnov A32 and yes the interface is brilliant, and it has the right channel count and format support etc.....but pound for pound audio wise we both agree its not worth the money over the RMC-1 for our use type....in fact he came over to my place before designing his theatre and after spending an afternoon playing around he would have purchased an RMC-1 if the above 4 items were sorted (the click/pop bug and channel count in particular pushed him over the edge and frankly if the roles were reversed I would do the same). Did you have a chance to do side-by-side comparison of T vs Emo?
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Post by junchoon on Sept 23, 2022 5:18:39 GMT -5
Likely Emotiva wish to make the firmware as annual event? In any case the pops has a workaround by setting the lip sync, suggested by a staff from Emotiva. Thanks This is scary stuff, because obviously if we are to use lip sync this way it means that lip sync does not work... I am yet to test my XMC-2 so fingers crossed the lip sync can be sorted somehow if needed. That is why I said it is a workaround.
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Post by NicS on Sept 23, 2022 16:03:50 GMT -5
It's Friday again.
Wishing you all a restful and hopeful weekend. Hopeful that next week will be that week. You know, the week of the eternal next week in the search of v3.0 firmware. Or the Holy Grail. Whatever is more realistic. After all, it's only a cup...
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Post by modicen on Sept 24, 2022 7:28:36 GMT -5
It's Friday again. Wishing you all a restful and hopeful weekend. Hopeful that next week will be that week. You know, the week of the eternal next week in the search of v3.0 firmware. Or the Holy Grail. Whatever is more realistic. After all, it's only a cup... At this point Im starting to think they don’t know what they are doing or this generation of processors can’t be fixed. There is no reason some of these needed smaller fixes can’t be fixed in an appropriate time frame with smaller firmware updates. I just don’t get it. Sorry but this is now beyond unbelievable.
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Post by jim80z on Sept 24, 2022 14:55:52 GMT -5
........ BTW a mate recently purchased the Trinnov A32 and yes the interface is brilliant, and it has the right channel count and format support etc.....but pound for pound audio wise we both agree its not worth the money over the RMC-1 for our use type....in fact he came over to my place before designing his theatre and after spending an afternoon playing around he would have purchased an RMC-1 if the above 4 items were sorted (the click/pop bug and channel count in particular pushed him over the edge and frankly if the roles were reversed I would do the same). Did you have a chance to do side-by-side comparison of T vs Emo? No too much hassle (both are rack mounted and tightly wired in) and the kids would lose the plot if we took the HTs down for a long weekend. Instead we did the standard playback of lots of demo stuff that we are very familiar with in both HTs. The only thing we did try to do was to get the similar speaker count running so it was as close to each other as possible ie 9.1.6 (in any case its still different re rooms, different acoustic treatment, different speakers etc). Important thing is based on a couple of guys with a few drinks we were very happy with both of them wrt sound/decoding/separation etc etc. However like I wrote earlier we definitely would move away from the Emo gear (and my mate did even though it meant more $$) due to the PITA stuff which is damn annoying (like the popping issue, still missing channel expansion, etc). The T was just slick in operation/configuration/hygiene. It really is such a pity as Emo potentially have a great product at a good price point. Anyway I just finished implementing and balancing my 4 subs using the MiniDSP and will Dirac it later this afternoon but already it sounds much more even.
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Post by sebna on Sept 24, 2022 16:47:17 GMT -5
Did you have a chance to do side-by-side comparison of T vs Emo? No too much hassle (both are rack mounted and tightly wired in) and the kids would lose the plot if we took the HTs down for a long weekend. Instead we did the standard playback of lots of demo stuff that we are very familiar with in both HTs. The only thing we did try to do was to get the similar speaker count running so it was as close to each other as possible ie 9.1.6 (in any case its still different re rooms, different acoustic treatment, different speakers etc). Important thing is based on a couple of guys with a few drinks we were very happy with both of them wrt sound/decoding/separation etc etc. However like I wrote earlier we definitely would move away from the Emo gear (and my mate did even though it meant more $$) due to the PITA stuff which is damn annoying (like the popping issue, still missing channel expansion, etc). The T was just slick in operation/configuration/hygiene. It really is such a pity as Emo potentially have a great product at a good price point. Anyway I just finished implementing and balancing my 4 subs using the MiniDSP and will Dirac it later this afternoon but already it sounds much more even. God damn , the popping issue (if solvable in most cases with mute button) must be majorly annoying to even consider upgrading to T taking into account price difference . Saying this it is all ahead of me so I might be selling my Emo even faster than I got it.
I know from other T user that it also has its own bugs and niggles. Maybe not as critical as Emo family but certainly present and annoying. At the same time he is a very happy T user overall.
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Post by NicS on Sept 24, 2022 17:24:05 GMT -5
It's Friday again. Wishing you all a restful and hopeful weekend. Hopeful that next week will be that week. You know, the week of the eternal next week in the search of v3.0 firmware. Or the Holy Grail. Whatever is more realistic. After all, it's only a cup... At this point Im starting to think they don’t know what they are doing or this generation of processors can’t be fixed. There is no reason some of these needed smaller fixes can’t be fixed in an appropriate time frame with smaller firmware updates. I just don’t get it. Sorry but this is now beyond unbelievable. It certainly is getting to be a little comic. In my business this kind of delay would have ended the company. My clients would have moved on to another product under the same circumstances. Yet Emotiva's customers seem to be supremely patient and altogether polite and reasonable. Hey Brent!! Any word, and I mean something beyond the obligatory "sometime in the next two weeks", when we might see a firmware update? And perhaps an accompanying HDMI hardware update? Maybe Santa could bring it?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 24, 2022 17:59:28 GMT -5
… I am using xmc-1 but the pop issue if not mistaken is same with rmc-1 That’s interesting, I don’t remember pops with the XMC-1, but it has been a few years now.
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Post by Goodfella on Sept 24, 2022 19:28:55 GMT -5
I changed my settings to doing the full reboot every time. This pretty much resolved the popping and snapping issue. Takes about a minute to start up every time though. But the system has a lot less issues this way.
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 24, 2022 19:28:58 GMT -5
… I am using xmc-1 but the pop issue if not mistaken is same with rmc-1 That’s interesting, I don’t remember pops with the XMC-1, but it has been a few years now. I've only been experiencing the light ticks/pops with the ATV4K. While I know it hasn't helped everyone thus far, the new iOS 16 has solved/fixed the light ticks/pops with my RMC-1.
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Post by jim80z on Sept 24, 2022 19:36:04 GMT -5
God damn , the popping issue (if solvable in most cases with mute button) must be majorly annoying to even consider upgrading to T taking into account price difference . Saying this it is all ahead of me so I might be selling my Emo even faster than I got it.
I know from other T user that it also has its own bugs and niggles. Maybe not as critical as Emo family but certainly present and annoying. At the same time he is a very happy T user overall.
It is solvable with a mute button until you forget to (and you shouldn't have to remember) and that noise going through your speaker at high volume....you absolutely do say "god damn" in anger Im sure I read here that a few of our colleagues have had to repair speakers due to this and BM issues? Anyway its not just that....there are other annoyances and promises not delivered that have been going on for a while now. In any case on a prev post I distilled it down to my bare minimum need. Others have more. So far he hasn't noticed any niggles with the T in his use case so he is very happy.
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Post by jim80z on Sept 24, 2022 19:40:29 GMT -5
… I am using xmc-1 but the pop issue if not mistaken is same with rmc-1 That’s interesting, I don’t remember pops with the XMC-1, but it has been a few years now. I don't remember the issue with the RMC-1 when I first installed it ~2 years ago (~v1.0). I think they started post DIRAC fw but I cant remember if it was post me implementing DIRAC or simply upping to the ne firmware back then.....maybe others do?
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Post by jim80z on Sept 25, 2022 1:06:20 GMT -5
I changed my settings to doing the full reboot every time. This pretty much resolved the popping and snapping issue. Takes about a minute to start up every time though. But the system has a lot less issues this way. If you mean setting the standby setting to lowest power state (ie not video on mode) then I have this set already No change to popping etc occurring for me during a format change.
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Post by junchoon on Sept 25, 2022 1:25:51 GMT -5
On my xmc-1 the pops were not consistent but I can easily reproduced it under one particular setting
Most obvious when I pause the xa5400es while connected via HDMI. Source switching from and to it will create pops
I then set the default to analog (xlr for me) out and make sure I change the connection (via remote) to analog before switching away or from xa5400es.
Now I turn off DSD out on all Blu Ray players.
The pops have significantly reduced to none. At least on normal day I don’t hear any pops. When it happens it is still knife to my ears.
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Post by Goodfella on Sept 25, 2022 9:02:24 GMT -5
I changed my settings to doing the full reboot every time. This pretty much resolved the popping and snapping issue. Takes about a minute to start up every time though. But the system has a lot less issues this way. If you mean setting the standby setting to lowest power state (ie not video on mode) then I have this set already No change to popping etc occurring for me during a format change. Thats what I meant. Sorry it didn’t work for you.
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Post by sebna on Sept 25, 2022 17:58:15 GMT -5
God damn , the popping issue (if solvable in most cases with mute button) must be majorly annoying to even consider upgrading to T taking into account price difference . Saying this it is all ahead of me so I might be selling my Emo even faster than I got it.
I know from other T user that it also has its own bugs and niggles. Maybe not as critical as Emo family but certainly present and annoying. At the same time he is a very happy T user overall.
It is solvable with a mute button until you forget to (and you shouldn't have to remember) and that noise going through your speaker at high volume....you absolutely do say "god damn" in anger Im sure I read here that a few of our colleagues have had to repair speakers due to this and BM issues? Anyway its not just that....there are other annoyances and promises not delivered that have been going on for a while now. In any case on a prev post I distilled it down to my bare minimum need. Others have more. So far he hasn't noticed any niggles with the T in his use case so he is very happy. Lets hope I joined the Emo family at the right time and that FW 3.0 and subsequent will not only drop soon but will bring relief to all major bugs and introduce key new features we all wish for
Call it freshman optimism but at the same time luck tends to be my send name so we all just might get lucky with how good FW 3.0 will be and how soon it will arrive . Fingers crossed.
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Post by msimanyi on Sept 25, 2022 18:41:43 GMT -5
Haaaaaaa Ha Ha Ha Ha HA! Best laugh I've had all week! Wonder was is so funny! I own one and dont think it is funny. Never thought I was buying a « tube » processor. Sorry about my slow response. Been a bit slammed with work. I wasn't commenting about the hardware at all. I was responding to the comment about ASR calming down about their measurements.<style></style>
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