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Post by KeithL on Sept 30, 2022 15:43:35 GMT -5
1. Yes. We are currently still using the AKM 4490 DACs. 2. No On our XMC and RMC processors each input is "specified" by the physical input. So, when you configure that input, you are configuring HDMI 1 to use a certain Button and a certain Audio Source. (You cannot also configure HDMI 1 to use a different button with a different audio source.) 3. The Loudness feature is configured to follow the "official Fletcher Munson loudness curve". This is the same on the XMC-1 and the new processors. 4. Dirac Live on the XMC-2 and RMC-1 still calibrates each subwoofer separately. (So, even though you can no longer have "stereo subs", and now have "dual mono" or even "triple mono", they are still individually calibrated. 5. Correct. Dual mono and triple mono. (And, as stated above, even though the signal is monaural, each sub is calibrated individually.) 6. I would say that the RMC-1 is a tiny bit better... (but then I'm biased  ). 7. There are still some minor "bass management issues" that we're still working on. (They have to do with "which filters and summations are applied where in the signal flow in which situations and modes" and don't necessarily affect everyone.) ARC is only an issue for those who feed streaming sources directly into the TV. When you do so, the TV becomes "the audio source", and ARC serves to get the audio signal "back" to the processor. (The alternative, which most TVs support, and which is more or less equivalent, is to use Optical from the TV... but the new eARC, which is part of the HDMI 2.1 standard, is better.) Hi all, I'm looking at potentially moving on from my HDMI 1.4 XMC-1 to the RMC-1L. A few questions if you don't mind... 1. Do the current RMC-1 units still have the AKM AK4490 DACs? I know the AKM factory burned and other manufacturers (Denon/Marantz) had to move to other solutions. 2. Can a single physical HDMI input be used to create multiple "phantom" inputs? For example, HDMI1 video and audio would be one input, while HDMI 1 video with optical audio would be a second input. the XMC-1 cannot do this, and I don't think the RMC-1 can either. 3. For those with XMC-1 experience - do you think the "loudness" function has been improved in the new units? I almost never use it on the XMC-1 because it's just a bit "too much" on the bass side of things. 4. Does Dirac for the RMC-1 still calibrate each sub independently? It does on the XMC-1. 5. My XMC-1 runs 2 subs in "stereo" subwoofer mode. The system sounds phenomenal with 2-channel music in stereo mode (meaning Dirac, crossovers, etc all in use but just the fronts and subs active). As I understand it the stereo subwoofer mode itself has been removed, so I assume this means that "dual mono" is really the only option? 6. For those with XMC-1 experience, how would you compare 2-channel listening in stereo mode on the RMC-1 vs the XMC-1? I'm hoping the RMC-1 is at least as good. 7. Bass management issues are "fixed" as of firmware 2.5, right? I'm asking because I keep seeing mention of BM issues after that firmware. My needs are fairly simple... I do not use ARC (seems to be a large pain point) I have one 4K TV (Vizio M80 C3) and one 4K (faux4K) Epson 5040ub projector. My video sources are cable box, 1080p PC (running Logitech music server), Oppo Blu-Ray, Roku 4K stick, Google TV 4K stick, and a Firestick 4K stick Music is streamed via the PC. I use optical for audio on this. But things like this make it more complex... My 4K sources run through a 4K switch and a splitter. the splitter handles downscaling and sends 1080 (with audio) to the XMC-1, and 4K video to my TV and projector. 1080 sources all run through the XMC-1 directly. I run 2 cables to both the TV and projector. One from the 4K splitter for 4K video, and one from the XMC-1 for 1080 video. Ideally I'd like to run everything through the processor directly, with volume and settings overlays, etc... But... I've been reading up on this thread and I literally can't believe there has been no firmware update since January, and many folks still have basic issues like clicks/pops and random loud noises (I have older 800 series B&Ws and this scares me to death) and HDMI handshake issues, etc. My XMC-1 is a fantastic unit that I've had literally no technical issues with. These reported issues are what scares me in terms of an upgrade and makes it hard to pull the trigger. |
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Post by KeithL on Sept 30, 2022 15:48:05 GMT -5
In general the Factory Reset is not known to cause any problems... In fact performing a Factory Reset often eliminates the occasional bit of odd behavior that sometimes occurs. We often suggest that people who experience "quirky problems" save their setup, do a Factory Reset, then restore their setup. If you have purchased a used unit which has "a lot of configuration still in it" you WOULD be well advised to perform a Factory Reset and start your setup from scratch. Also, assuming that the previous owner was under warranty, be sure to have him or her transfer their warranty to you. (The previous owner, whose name is on the warranty, must contact us and ask us to transfer it to the new owner.) Is "factory reset" option of XMC-2 safe to use and not known to cause any problems etc.? I am reluctant to use it as the unit I bought, I was told, is completely free from any day to day bugs (  ) so in a bid to preserve this state, if in fact true, I could just manually re-do all options of previous owner rather than factory reset to start fresh? Or am I panicking too much and should go for it? I played with menu yesterday for the first time and I really like it. It is very functional. The one obvious downside is the lack of overview of applied options but other than that I initially like it. Also so far it seems there is less options to go through than in my Yamaha which is nice. On HDMI out 1i was not able to get OSD? Is that normal? |
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Post by ttocs on Sept 30, 2022 16:02:30 GMT -5
Thanks for confirming. Do you know if saved to internal slot backup of settings survives factory reset? Saved Settings does indeed remained saved after a Factory Reset, so they can then be Restored. But as Keith mentioned, if some settings are from the previous owner, you'd be best served by changing the settings you want to change and save those to internal storage. |
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Post by Natural1 on Sept 30, 2022 17:10:37 GMT -5
1. Yes. We are currently still using the AKM 4490 DACs. 2. No On our XMC and RMC processors each input is "specified" by the physical input. So, when you configure that input, you are configuring HDMI 1 to use a certain Button and a certain Audio Source. (You cannot also configure HDMI 1 to use a different button with a different audio source.) 3. The Loudness feature is configured to follow the "official Fletcher Munson loudness curve". This is the same on the XMC-1 and the new processors. 4. Dirac Live on the XMC-2 and RMC-1 still calibrates each subwoofer separately. (So, even though you can no longer have "stereo subs", and now have "dual mono" or even "triple mono", they are still individually calibrated. 5. Correct. Dual mono and triple mono. (And, as stated above, even though the signal is monaural, each sub is calibrated individually.) 6. I would say that the RMC-1 is a tiny bit better... (but then I'm biased ). 7. There are still some minor "bass management issues" that we're still working on. (They have to do with "which filters and summations are applied where in the signal flow in which situations and modes" and don't necessarily affect everyone.) ARC is only an issue for those who feed streaming sources directly into the TV. When you do so, the TV becomes "the audio source", and ARC serves to get the audio signal "back" to the processor. (The alternative, which most TVs support, and which is more or less equivalent, is to use Optical from the TV... but the new eARC, which is part of the HDMI 2.1 standard, is better.) Hi all, I'm looking at potentially moving on from my HDMI 1.4 XMC-1 to the RMC-1L. A few questions if you don't mind... 1. Do the current RMC-1 units still have the AKM AK4490 DACs? I know the AKM factory burned and other manufacturers (Denon/Marantz) had to move to other solutions. 2. Can a single physical HDMI input be used to create multiple "phantom" inputs? For example, HDMI1 video and audio would be one input, while HDMI 1 video with optical audio would be a second input. the XMC-1 cannot do this, and I don't think the RMC-1 can either. 3. For those with XMC-1 experience - do you think the "loudness" function has been improved in the new units? I almost never use it on the XMC-1 because it's just a bit "too much" on the bass side of things. 4. Does Dirac for the RMC-1 still calibrate each sub independently? It does on the XMC-1. 5. My XMC-1 runs 2 subs in "stereo" subwoofer mode. The system sounds phenomenal with 2-channel music in stereo mode (meaning Dirac, crossovers, etc all in use but just the fronts and subs active). As I understand it the stereo subwoofer mode itself has been removed, so I assume this means that "dual mono" is really the only option? 6. For those with XMC-1 experience, how would you compare 2-channel listening in stereo mode on the RMC-1 vs the XMC-1? I'm hoping the RMC-1 is at least as good. 7. Bass management issues are "fixed" as of firmware 2.5, right? I'm asking because I keep seeing mention of BM issues after that firmware. My needs are fairly simple... I do not use ARC (seems to be a large pain point) I have one 4K TV (Vizio M80 C3) and one 4K (faux4K) Epson 5040ub projector. My video sources are cable box, 1080p PC (running Logitech music server), Oppo Blu-Ray, Roku 4K stick, Google TV 4K stick, and a Firestick 4K stick Music is streamed via the PC. I use optical for audio on this. But things like this make it more complex... My 4K sources run through a 4K switch and a splitter. the splitter handles downscaling and sends 1080 (with audio) to the XMC-1, and 4K video to my TV and projector. 1080 sources all run through the XMC-1 directly. I run 2 cables to both the TV and projector. One from the 4K splitter for 4K video, and one from the XMC-1 for 1080 video. Ideally I'd like to run everything through the processor directly, with volume and settings overlays, etc... But... I've been reading up on this thread and I literally can't believe there has been no firmware update since January, and many folks still have basic issues like clicks/pops and random loud noises (I have older 800 series B&Ws and this scares me to death) and HDMI handshake issues, etc. My XMC-1 is a fantastic unit that I've had literally no technical issues with. These reported issues are what scares me in terms of an upgrade and makes it hard to pull the trigger. Thank you Keith, really appreciate the info! Also, if it's in the manual I missed it... If an HDMI input is selected first, and then an audio-only input is selected (optical 1, for example), will the previously-selected HDMI video still be played on screen?
This is how the XMC-1 works, and is also how I get around the fact that the XMC-1 does not support phantom inputs, allowing me to play music from the server combined with the video feed from the cable box.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 30, 2022 18:36:23 GMT -5
Unless the XMC-1 received an update that changed the Loudness curve (which is certainly possible), in my memory it is indeed bass heavy, almost bloated, I rarely if ever used it. The Loudness on the G3Ps is very different and includes significant treble enhancement that I never heard on the XMC-1. IMO the G3P’s Loudness is much better, but still not perfect.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 30, 2022 18:57:39 GMT -5
… Also, if it's in the manual I missed it... If an HDMI input is selected first, and then an audio-only input is selected (optical 1, for example), will the previously-selected HDMI video still be played on screen? This is how the XMC-1 works, and is also how I get around the fact that the XMC-1 does not support phantom inputs, allowing me to play music from the server combined with the video feed from the cable box.
The G3P work the same way, the video doesn’t change until you select a different HDMI input, so selecting an audio input will only change the sound. |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 1, 2022 3:53:57 GMT -5
Dear members I wish you a nice weekend and want to share my speaker upgrade with you. They sound so awesome with my gear.
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Post by sebna on Oct 1, 2022 5:43:39 GMT -5
In general the Factory Reset is not known to cause any problems... In fact performing a Factory Reset often eliminates the occasional bit of odd behavior that sometimes occurs. We often suggest that people who experience "quirky problems" save their setup, do a Factory Reset, then restore their setup. If you have purchased a used unit which has "a lot of configuration still in it" you WOULD be well advised to perform a Factory Reset and start your setup from scratch. Also, assuming that the previous owner was under warranty, be sure to have him or her transfer their warranty to you. (The previous owner, whose name is on the warranty, must contact us and ask us to transfer it to the new owner.) Is "factory reset" option of XMC-2 safe to use and not known to cause any problems etc.? I am reluctant to use it as the unit I bought, I was told, is completely free from any day to day bugs ( ) so in a bid to preserve this state, if in fact true, I could just manually re-do all options of previous owner rather than factory reset to start fresh? Or am I panicking too much and should go for it? I played with menu yesterday for the first time and I really like it. It is very functional. The one obvious downside is the lack of overview of applied options but other than that I initially like it. Also so far it seems there is less options to go through than in my Yamaha which is nice. On HDMI out 1i was not able to get OSD? Is that normal? Hi Keith,
Great info. About the warranty transfer. It is still under warranty. I have the original purchase invoice from the 1st owner. It was bought form Nintronics in UK. I called them to check and they said all I need is the invoice and that there is no need to transfer as I will be contacting them for the warranty. Should I ask original owner to shoot you an email to complete the process with Emotiva directly?
Also it seems that I was not able to get OSD when using HDMI 1 out - it works well on HDMI 2 out. Is this normal or should I try again with HDMI 1?
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Post by junchoon on Oct 1, 2022 7:28:01 GMT -5
Dear members I wish you a nice weekend and want to share my speaker upgrade with you. They sound so awesome with my gear.
Looks great |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 1, 2022 8:33:09 GMT -5
Dear members I wish you a nice weekend and want to share my speaker upgrade with you. They sound so awesome with my gear.
Nice! A5 and ACC? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 1, 2022 8:37:19 GMT -5
… About the warranty transfer. It is still under warranty. I have the original purchase invoice from the 1st owner. It was bought form Nintronics in UK. I called them to check and they said all I need is the invoice and that there is no need to transfer as I will be contacting them for the warranty. Should I ask original owner to shoot you an email to complete the process with Emotiva directly? … From the product page … How do I transfer the warranty?Original owner or registered owner must transfer an Emotiva product warranty. To transfer the warranty please send us an email with your name, product model number, and the new owner’s name and email address to customerservice@emotiva.com |
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Post by carbonsummit on Oct 1, 2022 13:54:25 GMT -5
RMC-1 owner who works way too much. It's been a while since I've been on here. What is the current firmware number? Any big changes lately? It's been two months since I checked in last, I see we are still on 2.5, and updates on 3.0? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 1, 2022 15:19:59 GMT -5
RMC-1 owner who works way too much. It's been a while since I've been on here. What is the current firmware number? Any big changes lately? It's been two months since I checked in last, I see we are still on 2.5, and updates on 3.0? If there was any news we’d be talking about it … no change, and this is the last ‘report’. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1099143/thread |
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Post by aswiss on Oct 1, 2022 18:20:13 GMT -5
Dear members I wish you a nice weekend and want to share my speaker upgrade with you. They sound so awesome with my gear.
Nice! A5 and ACC? Yes - huge step forward |
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Post by sebna on Oct 1, 2022 19:05:07 GMT -5
What did you use before? Never heard Magicos, but I heard about them  |
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Post by consul on Oct 3, 2022 8:26:06 GMT -5
ARC is only an issue for those who feed streaming sources directly into the TV. When you do so, the TV becomes "the audio source", and ARC serves to get the audio signal "back" to the processor. (The alternative, which most TVs support, and which is more or less equivalent, is to use Optical from the TV... but the new eARC, which is part of the HDMI 2.1 standard, is better.) An Optical output is not really equivalent to ARC, because is limited to 384 kbps (vs to approx. 1 Mbps by ARC), means - less suitable for compressed 5.1 (or even Atmos) audio output. Additionally Optical/PDIF output do not support CEC device control - e.g. that can be useful for volume control from TV. In the meantime I have a really stable workaround for DD5.1 (or even ATMOS - regrettably Amazon Prime App only) output from the current LG TV lineup via ARC at your RMC-1L. Even Sony PS5 (connected directly to LG TV) provides Dolby 5.1 output. The following TV setting have to be selected: - Audio Settings -> Advanced Settings -> Sound Mode Share -> Enjoy TV Sound Mode The only limitations at your receiver at the moment (hopefully will be fixed in the next FW Release) are: - after standby it is necessary to reconfigure the LG TV again for “Enjoy TV Sound Mode” - sometimes it is necessary to make a hard reset (power off) for the RMC-1L... Best, Alexander   |
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Post by markc on Oct 3, 2022 9:10:09 GMT -5
In general the Factory Reset is not known to cause any problems... In fact performing a Factory Reset often eliminates the occasional bit of odd behavior that sometimes occurs. We often suggest that people who experience "quirky problems" save their setup, do a Factory Reset, then restore their setup. Thanks for acknowledging things like the existence of odd behaviour that "sometimes" occurs as well as a factory reset clearing out the Gremlins Keith. My only issue now is that my XMC-2 has quirky problems more than "sometimes" to the point that even if I don't perceive them, I am insanely paranoid that it may be doing something wrong or weird to my audio that I actually place my ear to various speakers to check! Owning is a chore more than a pleasure for this reason, and even taking delight in the Audio presentation of a particular movie can turn to wretchedness as the result of a simple Pause to go and make tea. I now need to rein myself in, as you have planted a seed of doubt that I should start to consider that a Factory reset should become my new power off/on procedure in everyday usage. |
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Post by markc on Oct 3, 2022 9:16:08 GMT -5
Is going from 4 to 6 heights worth it in your opinion? Or front wides are considered to be better? Or neither are really worth it? I agree that it depends on your room and setup. When listening to stereo music, I am often convinced that sound is coming out of my centre speaker and, due to the XMC-2 not always doing what it is meant to do, I get up and see if this is the case. Almost always, it is just the incredibly good phantom centre image being generated by the L&R stereo speakers. The point of this is that if a phantom stereo can be so lifelike and convincing, I begin to wonder whether more than 7 bed channels is ever going to be worth it??? I suspect it is chasing an irrelevant holy grail for any situation other than a perfect listening room. |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 3, 2022 9:16:42 GMT -5
Neither ARC nor Optical will do uncompressed multi-channel surround sound.... So neither is anywhere near as capable as either a normal HDMI connection or eARC. (But, yes, Optical is even slightly more limited than ARC.) HDMI-CEC uses a physical connection... So, even if you use Optical for some things, like when you're using apps on the TV, CEC should still work if the HDMI cable is physically connected. (However, unfortunately, CEC is so inconsistent that it often fails to work, or fails to work completely, anyway.) Hopefully eARC will successfully do everything, everywhere, for everyone...  ARC is only an issue for those who feed streaming sources directly into the TV. When you do so, the TV becomes "the audio source", and ARC serves to get the audio signal "back" to the processor. (The alternative, which most TVs support, and which is more or less equivalent, is to use Optical from the TV... but the new eARC, which is part of the HDMI 2.1 standard, is better.) An Optical output is not really equivalent to ARC, because is limited to 384 kbps (vs to approx. 1 Mbps by ARC), means - less suitable for compressed 5.1 (or even Atmos) audio output. Additionally Optical/PDIF output do not support CEC device control - e.g. that can be useful for volume control from TV. In the meantime I have a really stable workaround for DD5.1 (or even ATMOS - regrettably Amazon Prime App only) output from the current LG TV lineup via ARC at your RMC-1L. Even Sony PS5 (connected directly to LG TV) provides Dolby 5.1 output. The following TV setting have to be selected: - Audio Settings -> Advanced Settings -> Sound Mode Share -> Enjoy TV Sound Mode The only limitations at your receiver at the moment (hopefully will be fixed in the next FW Release) are: - after standby it is necessary to reconfigure the LG TV again for “Enjoy TV Sound Mode” - sometimes it is necessary to make a hard reset (power off) for the RMC-1L... Best, Alexander |
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Post by consul on Oct 3, 2022 9:57:41 GMT -5
Hopefully eARC will successfully do everything, everywhere, for everyone... Yes, it sounds great.. But what about the customers, who are living outside of USA? E.g. in Europe, like me? Or are you schedule to provide cost-free eARC or discounted HDMI 2.1 hardware retrofit (new board) for existing customer? It means: the similar way, like your DIRAC hardware update in the past? PS: From my point of view, a bug-free ARC functionality is enough for numerous scenarios.  |
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) so in a bid to preserve this state, if in fact true, I could just manually re-do all options of previous owner rather than factory reset to start fresh?
