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Post by dwander on Oct 5, 2022 16:18:06 GMT -5
I was surprised to see the new lower pricing. I’m curious if this the end of the G3P’s or if a new version is coming out with updated HDMI.
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Post by ttocs on Oct 5, 2022 17:19:39 GMT -5
I was surprised to see the new lower pricing. I’m curious if this the end of the G3P’s or if a new version is coming out with updated HDMI. hmmmmmmmmmm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 5, 2022 17:43:45 GMT -5
I was surprised to see the new lower pricing. I’m curious if this the end of the G3P’s or if a new version is coming out with updated HDMI. hmmmmmmmmmm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . No kidding, an old broken AVR is worth the same as the 40% card ... Actually, I guess it's the new pricing + and old AVR is about the same, but the new pricing does raise some questions? |
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Post by dwander on Oct 5, 2022 17:58:25 GMT -5
I was surprised to see the new lower pricing. I’m curious if this the end of the G3P’s or if a new version is coming out with updated HDMI. hmmmmmmmmmm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . No kidding, an old broken AVR is worth the same as the 40% card ... Actually, I guess it's the new pricing + and old AVR is about the same, but the new pricing does raise some questions? It seems like pricing and the old AVR promotion are two different things. I’m not 100% sure, but that’s what it looked like. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 5, 2022 18:23:30 GMT -5
No kidding, an old broken AVR is worth the same as the 40% card ... Actually, I guess it's the new pricing + and old AVR is about the same, but the new pricing does raise some questions? It seems like pricing and the old AVR promotion are two different things. I’m not 100% sure, but that’s what it looked like. I agree, but they seem to be cumulative, that is, they lowered the price, then they give the AVR discount on top of that. |
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Post by Sayer on Oct 5, 2022 19:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by jjkessler on Oct 5, 2022 19:43:44 GMT -5
I like the upgrade path and capabilities but, curious what that cost structure will look like. Starting to feel like a subscription model to the latest and greatest and am ok with that
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 5, 2022 19:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by autocrat on Oct 5, 2022 22:29:41 GMT -5
So the current gen is basically end of life before it is complete.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 3GP, without hardware upgrades, will never have:
* (support) "for both single-rate and double rate stereo DSD audio via USB".
* a Dolby upmixer that works without popping/clicking/shouting/gaps in audio/silence, that doesn't operate on rules that were in place 5 years ago
* DLBC (?)
The announcement also says:
Except DTS:X Pro, DLBC, WiFi, web-based setup, 8K, HDMI 2.1, eARC. Did I miss anything?
Plus as an added bonus we overseas people are effectively shut out of the upgrade program unless we wear the cost of sending the unit back and forth to the US.
It's the XMC-1 upgrade path all over again, I feel like such a sucker.
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Post by bitzerjdb on Oct 5, 2022 22:36:10 GMT -5
You know the old saying...Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. We have been waiting for firmware fixes for current problems and you now want me to take a leap on a new piece of HW/SW again? I think I will be sitting on my hands for a while to see how this plays out.
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Post by Topend on Oct 6, 2022 0:25:21 GMT -5
Mmmm, what about those living on another continent? I'm not keen on shipping my unit back to the US from Australia.
How will upgrades work for existing Emotiva Processors?
Multiple boards have to be changed and a whole new OS has to be installed, and the entire system needs to run through our QA to ensure it meets our rigorous standards. Your processor will have to be upgraded here at Emotiva
I was planning on the HDMI upgrade. Emotiva published a Youtube video not long ago showing how to change the HDMI board. Now it is a full system upgrade.
Dave.
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Post by cwt on Oct 6, 2022 1:44:16 GMT -5
Hi Nic ;its a matter of getting as close to the smpte values of the expanded colour space [ie dci p3 rather than the rec 709 we have had for so long] Its just more accurate tone mapping to your displays capabilities using a dynamic scene by scene algorithm than a 1 size fits all static hdr10 one . As explained over at av forum |
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Post by jamesbaby on Oct 6, 2022 6:10:41 GMT -5
In response to earlier posts. Projectors can't display HDR anywhere near as good as a TV. Therefore Dynamic Tone Mapping (DTM) is required to avoid images being crushed at either end, and to make use of the useable light output available.
DTM makes HDR better, but it is expensive via Lumagen or MadVR. The $300 equivalent I paid for my HDFury Diva spoofs my equipment to think it can display Dolby Vision (DV). DV employs DTM. Therefore HDFury is a great way to get DTM added to your equipment without a huge cost. A dedicated Luamagen for example is $4000+ minimum.
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Post by sebna on Oct 6, 2022 7:39:37 GMT -5
From what I have read the main difference between Dolby Vision and HDR-10 is that Dolby Vision is 12bit where HDR-10 is 10bit, and that Dolby Vision has dynamic image processing, where HDR-10 is static. OK. I don't like dynamic processing. It's not a true reflection of the source material, in the same way that motion smoothing is not accurate either. Dolby Vision produces an image that is geared toward an algorithm based image "enhancer" where HDR-10 is static and remains as accurate as it can be. On top of this, there are no 12 bit displays. I regularly use a 31" monitor in my work made by Sony called a BVM-HX310. It's a $45,000 monitor, considered on of the most accurate in the world when dealing with 12G, dual link SDI REC2020 material, and that is 10bit. It's a beast of a thing but when it comes to image evaluation and picture grading, it's peerless. So I don't really understand, from a professional perspective why an HDFury box to access 12bit into a 10bit monitor would introduce anything but interpolation. Maybe I'm missing something. Educate me. pro.sony/ue_US/products/broadcastpromonitors/bvm-hx310...and just to be clear, I'm not against the processes that Dolby offers. In the audio noise reduction area they were groundbreakers. I'm just suspicious of "enhancement". I prefer accuracy to the filmmakers intent as a principal over what makes my monitor or projectors appear more "immersive" or "engaging" as the advertising suggests. It is just to allow PJs to deal with DV, also I think people kind of use it as a basic form of DTM for PJs to some extent. Please correct me if I am wrong 
Proper standalone high quality DTM box costs anything between 6 to 17k, brand new... and its main function is to deal with HDR on PJs (plus few nice features in addition). So if you can achieve kind of the similar functionality for 500 USD that is not really a massive outlay in grand scheme of things.
In PJ world we have to deal with number of problems which are of no concern for TVs.
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Post by sebna on Oct 6, 2022 7:52:02 GMT -5
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Post by NicS on Oct 6, 2022 9:20:58 GMT -5
With the announcement of the next generation of processors, without the fulfillment of the promises made to meet the promised specifications of the current generation of processor, I can feel myself falling out of love with Emotiva.
The wait for the elusive v3.0 firmware update has veered from long to comically ridiculous. And now it seems clear why that holdup exists at all: Emotiva has no real interest in addressing the inadequacies of an over promising and under delivering product to instead concentrate on a newer generation of processor with yet more lofty promises.
I can't see myself going through this again. My wife has simply given up trying cope with the weird, unpredictable behavior of this processor. I don't think I've ever had a piece of equipment so flawed and so capable of absorbing my time just to make it work adequately. I have to say, I'm bitterly disappointed.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 6, 2022 10:21:17 GMT -5
… Looks like new gen is coming - would it be the explanation for slow development of FW and bug fixes for current gen?I don’t think so, I think they want FW 3.x as much as we do, and they’ll have to support it for some time, but it will affect the next FW. Already discussing here … The G4P Thread |
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 6, 2022 11:00:27 GMT -5
… Looks like new gen is coming - would it be the explanation for slow development of FW and bug fixes for current gen?I don’t think so, I think they want FW 3.x as much as we do, and they’ll have to support it for some time, but it will affect the next FW. Already discussing here … The G4P ThreadI'm not certain that they wanting it means that they can provide it. Wanting the update and being able to produce the update may be 2 very different things. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2022 11:16:13 GMT -5
Betrayed, Betrayed, Betrayed and LIED to!!! When they couldn't get their crap together EMO bailed and moved most if not all resources into new development. Firmware fixes for RMC... no. Start over ...YES. Good luck EMO.
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Post by audiovideojunky on Oct 6, 2022 13:22:13 GMT -5
Betrayed, Betrayed, Betrayed and LIED to!!! When they couldn't get their crap together EMO bailed and moved most if not all resources into new development. Firmware fixes for RMC... no. Start over ...YES. Good luck EMO. I find this reaction to be puzzling at best and down right unrealistic and thankless at worst. The path EMO is following with a new generation of processors is hardly surprising given the dramatic increases in processing power undoubtedly required to handle 8K. Think about it - that's 4x the resolution of 4K, and undoubtedly supports more audio/video features that further increase bandwidth and downstream processing requirements. Would you prefer EMO attempt to limp along using processing power that's 5 years old? That's not a realistic expectation - Imagine the performance complaints (if it were even technically feasible)! I find the fact that EMO plans to provide an upgrade path for the previous generation of processors to be in complete harmony with their promise of an upgradable processor platform; regardless of what hardware and software must be upgraded to get there. |
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