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Post by Stephen Park on Oct 8, 2022 23:36:01 GMT -5
I am getting tired to check if there is new 3.0 firmware is on the forum every few days.
I believe 3.0 "rumor" is started almost a year now.
And now, our RMC-1 and RMC-1L price is down almost 1K bucks, and "The new-gen processor" news is on the official web.
RMC series is out on the market almost over 4 years now and I feel that this model is already discontinued.
I think that most of engineers who have to concentrate upgrade/bugfix new firmware are move to new-gen development team. Means, emotiva won't do their best to RMC series as they should and did like first few years.
Am I being too pessimistic?
Is it time to move to other brand? I am seriously considering it....
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Post by Sayer on Oct 8, 2022 23:50:55 GMT -5
From the first page of this thread...
Main Hardware Differences:
RMC-1 has future expansion bays.
RMC-1/RMC-1L have the dual-mono DAC implementation on all channels and two user configurable front panel OLED displays.
XMC-2 has the dual-mono DAC implementation on the LCR channels and one user configurable front panel OLED display.
Is that still true, these are the differences between the models?
Has anyone upgraded from XMC-2 to RMC-1L? I'm curious to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality, especially with the dual-mono DACs on all channels.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 9, 2022 0:59:12 GMT -5
From the first page of this thread... Main Hardware Differences: RMC-1 has future expansion bays. RMC-1/RMC-1L have the dual-mono DAC implementation on all channels and two user configurable front panel OLED displays. XMC-2 has the dual-mono DAC implementation on the LCR channels and one user configurable front panel OLED display. Is that still true, these are the differences between the models? Has anyone upgraded from XMC-2 to RMC-1L? I'm curious to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality, especially with the dual-mono DACs on all channels. I don’t think I’ve ever read of someone who felt they could hear the difference (though only a few have ever had the possibility). Not mentioned here is the main reason I prefer the RMC-1/1L, namely the build quality, eg. Tiffany Style RCA Connectors. |
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Post by markc on Oct 9, 2022 4:08:03 GMT -5
Does the current "Elmo"tiva offer to "Trade in your dead processor" include giving them a "not-functioning-as-it-is-meant-to" G3P that we all own, in order to get one that works?
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Post by stuartves on Oct 9, 2022 4:50:27 GMT -5
I guess it's my turn to weigh in. First of all it is indeed true that neither the RMC-1L (nor any other processor we know of) works flawlessly with every brand of TV and monitor out there. And, while some of this is our fault, a lot of it is due to the fact that many manufacturers don't follow the standards as carefully as they should. It is also unfortunately fair to say that we are forced to expend a lot of effort getting our processors to work with the popular consumer brands used by many of our customers. (It isn't sufficient yo do our best to comply with the standards and pass all the tests that are required to do so.) However, while the Reavon player isn't especially popular here in the US, the Oppo 203 is virtually ubiquitous, and players by Sony and Panasonic are also quite popular. And, to be quite frank, for the most part they work properly with our processors. (You will have to disable HDMI-CEC on the Oppo to avoid CEC conflicts since by default they advertise themselves to CEC as a processor - which creates a conflict with any other processor.) Our USB input supports two-channel PCM audio - and not surround (other than "DTS encoded two-channel sources" - which are quite uncommon). We support DSD over all of our HDMI inputs... but DSD via USB is still in the future on our roadmap (we don't have it yet - although we still hope to eventually). Many players will automatically convert a DSD source to PCM when they detect that what they're connected to requires it - but some may not. I cannot even guess what's going on with that Atmos encoded MP4 file. Our processors don't play MP4 files... or handle them directly... all we do is to play the HDMI data stream we receive from the player. So it's up to the player to play that and deliver the result as a properly encoded HDMI file. I would expect all of the players you listed to be able to do so... but that will depend, to some degree, on how the file itself is encoded. (There are a lot of different ways in which an MP4 file may be encoded... and in which various players handle those.) (To be quite honest you will find that a PC, running software like VLC, will handle a far wider range of files than ANY hardware player - although the Oppo should come close.) To be fair, we do have somewhat fewer resources than a company like Marantz... Also, to be fair, we dedicate a far greater proportion of the resources we do have to things like sound quality. (And we're quite sure that we surpass them on that.) And we do continue to work out those other glitches as well. You can also rest assured that we have not stopped working on the current versions of our processors. And, while we are going to have new versions of them, they remain the same basic products, and will continue to be actively developed. With all due respect to you Brent, you have been very attentive with regards my issues with my RMC-1L, though your summation of the situation needs a little clarification. Yes, admittedly my projector is a bit on the old side, but for critical assessment of material in my professional life I use a variety of monitors that I plug up to my RMC-1L. These range from TV Logic 4K location monitors to the Sony BVM-HX310, the motion picture industry gold standard 4K HDR color grading monitor. None of threse work well with my RMC-1L. The performance is always glitchy. I was sent a sound file to listen to yesterday. It was encoded Dolby Atmos into an MP4 file according to the Dolby specification for evaluation. I was also sent a PCM 5.1 encoded version. I was not successful listening to these files. Implementation of surround via USB has never worked properly. Your website still says that the RMC-1L has a USB digital input that supports PCM and DSD files up to 24/192k, though I've never had a DSD file play in this input and it does not seem to support multichannel, as suggested by the DSD format. I could not get any of my BluRay player to successfully playback the file either. I had to go to a friends place to hear it properly. As for Blu Ray Players, I have these units: Reavon X100, X110, X200 Sony UBP-X800 Oppo UDP-203 None of these seem to play well with the RMC1-L, with it connected to the projector or any of the monitors I have access to. Like so many people on this forum, I am a fan of what you guys do. When I'm playing Roon digital files via my Streambox, running my turntable through the balanced input set to Reference Stereo, watching movies with my AppleTV, everything works pretty well. Though it is not without the issues that most of us have continually reported here, all of which have been promised fixes with a v3.0 firmware update promised some 7 months ago. These issues include HDMI handshake issues, delays or loud pops when switching between formats, lack of functionality specified in the current spec sheet though promised in firmware updates etc etc. I know I've been a little sarcastic in this forum. Maybe with a hint of bitterness. But I'm trying the best I can to be relatively good natured while my patience is really being tested. Because frankly, when I borrowed a friend's Marantz AVR to test why I was getting so many issues with the RMC1-L with my range of source components and displays, the experience was like chalk and cheese. It just worked. No issues. And now I face the prospect that my $4,000 processor, now being sold for $2,500 will shortly be replaced by another unit that will no doubt have the same claims to specification that my RMC1-L never met, in a lingering, protracted wait for a firmware that is clear now was a low priority over the release of a new product. Tell, me; under the circumstances how do you expect to retain me as a customer? Because I would dearly love to remain one out of some perverse loyalty. Of the dozen or so products I've purchase from you they have all worked very well, other than the XMC-1 and the RMC1-L which have both been so buggy my wife refuses to touch them. So, will we ever see a v3.0 firmware? Will there ever be an upgraded HDMI board that addresses the issues so clearly detailed in this particular forum? Or will we have to drop another couple of grand to risk being exposed to yet another few years of waiting for fixes on a new product? |
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Post by stuartves on Oct 9, 2022 5:46:53 GMT -5
I have the RMC-1 as well as an Oppo UDP-205 and a Denafrips Terminator II external DAC. I am able to to extract stereo DSD from SACD's or ISO & DSF Files connected from a USB hdd connected to my Oppo USB port. I use my HDMI only output from my Oppo 205 to an HDMI-i2s converter input. From there I connect another hdmi cable from the HDMI - i2s converter output to my Denafrips HDMI i2s input. I then connect the Balanced analogue XLR stereo output from the Denafrips T2 to my Balanced XLR input of my RMC-1. I am no expert here, but the quality of sound is absolutely sensational. I use the Reference Stereo mode on my RMC-1, which has no Dirac or Bass equalization. I calibrated my own filters using REW and in comparison with Dirac or using Oppo's own XLR outputs to the RMC-1 (which is only PCM) or using HDMI DSD directly from the Oppo main to the RMC-1 HDMI inputs the difference is night and day. I have Monitor Audio PL300 main speakers. I only use the main HDMI from my Oppo directly to the RMC-1 when listening to Multi channel audio or Movies. I actually stumbled acrss this information a while back before purchasing my Denafrips. audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/at-long-last-listen-to-your-physical-sacds-through-an-outboard-dac-r971/I am not sure whether this is relevant or of interest to any readers, but it works for me. Having read also of the new generation Processors in the works and the extensive board changes this will entail to modify existing RMC-1, may I enquire as to whether the inbuilt tuner could be changed over to DAB? I am in the UK and as far as I am aware FM broadcasts were supposed to end in 2022, but the license had been extended. However, I never use the FM tuner on my RMC-1. It relies on the internal FM antenna which is both unsightly and has a poor signal. I have a digital radio antenna socket in my property ,but it doesn't use the same FM bandwidth to tune my RMC-1. I am also aware that international owners would have to ship their units back to USA at their own cost if they have their processors upgraded. Is there any consideration for this from EMOTIVA customer relations? |
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Post by davidl81 on Oct 9, 2022 8:46:40 GMT -5
From the first page of this thread... Main Hardware Differences: RMC-1 has future expansion bays. RMC-1/RMC-1L have the dual-mono DAC implementation on all channels and two user configurable front panel OLED displays. XMC-2 has the dual-mono DAC implementation on the LCR channels and one user configurable front panel OLED display. Is that still true, these are the differences between the models? Has anyone upgraded from XMC-2 to RMC-1L? I'm curious to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality, especially with the dual-mono DACs on all channels. I don’t think I’ve ever read of someone who felt they could hear the difference (though only a few have ever had the possibility). Not mentioned here is the main reason I prefer the RMC-1/1L, namely the build quality, eg. Tiffany Style RCA Connectors. I think the RMC-1L looks better than the XMC-2, but with the actual hardware difference being just the mono dacs for the surround channels there is no way there is a noticeable difference in SQ from the two units. |
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Post by geebo on Oct 9, 2022 9:46:59 GMT -5
Does the current "Elmo"tiva offer to "Trade in your dead processor" include giving them a "not-functioning-as-it-is-meant-to" G3P that we all own, in order to get one that works? Anything with HDMI so yes, you can send in your processor to buy a new one at the promotion price. |
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Post by mrbell on Oct 9, 2022 10:01:20 GMT -5
Seeking advice:
I currently own a BasX MC1 processor. With the recent price cut I've been taking a closer look at the XMC-2. My AudioControl 5Ch amp has balanced XLR inputs and I'd like to take advantage of the better sounding connection. Apple TV4K is my only source which feeds a Sony 4K projector. Upgrading sound quality is my main objective. Will the XMC-2 offer a substantial sound upgrade? I read many posts here of folks complaining about their Emotiva processors... is the XMC-2 "old-tech" or will it work well with my single-source home theater?
Also considering the IOTA processor (cheaper) or the Marantz processor (more expensive).
Thanks!
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Post by Sayer on Oct 9, 2022 12:11:07 GMT -5
From the first page of this thread... Main Hardware Differences: RMC-1 has future expansion bays. RMC-1/RMC-1L have the dual-mono DAC implementation on all channels and two user configurable front panel OLED displays. XMC-2 has the dual-mono DAC implementation on the LCR channels and one user configurable front panel OLED display. Is that still true, these are the differences between the models? Has anyone upgraded from XMC-2 to RMC-1L? I'm curious to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality, especially with the dual-mono DACs on all channels. I don’t think I’ve ever read of someone who felt they could hear the difference (though only a few have ever had the possibility). Not mentioned here is the main reason I prefer the RMC-1/1L, namely the build quality, eg. Tiffany Style RCA Connectors. Had not noticed the RCA connector difference. Thank you! |
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Post by geebo on Oct 9, 2022 12:27:55 GMT -5
I don’t think I’ve ever read of someone who felt they could hear the difference (though only a few have ever had the possibility). Not mentioned here is the main reason I prefer the RMC-1/1L, namely the build quality, eg. Tiffany Style RCA Connectors. Had not noticed the RCA connector difference. Thank you! That's why my wife wanted me to get the RMC-1L. The gold thingies on the back. |
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Post by tngiloy on Oct 9, 2022 12:33:29 GMT -5
Had not noticed the RCA connector difference. Thank you! That's why my wife wanted me to get the RMC-1L. The gold thingies on the back. WAF is ultimately the most important factor when choosing an audio/visual component. I got the RMC-1L because my wife loved the blue ring. She says it makes a nice nightlight. Edit: Apparently, I should have refered to it as the 'blue ring thingie'. |
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Post by Sayer on Oct 9, 2022 12:51:37 GMT -5
That's why my wife wanted me to get the RMC-1L. The gold thingies on the back. WAF is ultimately the most important factor when choosing an audio/visual component. I got the RMC-1L because my wife loved the blue ring. She says it makes a nice nightlight. I'm fortunate. A couple of years ago my wife had no interest in home theater, a simple 50" TV with built-in speakers was good enough. That has totally changed, she loves our setup and offers 100% WAF for any upgrade.  |
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Post by ttocs on Oct 9, 2022 13:38:01 GMT -5
Had not noticed the RCA connector difference. Thank you! That's why my wife wanted me to get the RMC-1L. The gold thingies on the back. Yes, please everybody, use the correct terminology: Gold Thingies Thank you Geebo for pointing that out. So you can have just regular RCA connectors like us with the XMC-2, or, Gold Thingies on the higher line devices. |
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Post by benvader0815 on Oct 9, 2022 15:27:31 GMT -5
Ooooh man, so much people are waiting for the new FW, some new Feature like DLBM or dts:x pro and now emotiva ist talking about the new G4P...
I love the Sound of my RMC1 (my third Emotiva Processor after UMC200 and XMC1), how it is build, the Option to choose PEQ or Dirac and some more features but there some things which make me not happy. Some Feature which were communicared but it seems that there are not more comming to the G3P without an Upgrade for cash.
DLBM would be fine for the GP3, but it is not so important for me because I use a DSP based DBA/Multi-Sub-System.
8K/E-Arc/4K120hz would be fine but with a Projektor I don't need any ARC. 4K120hz would be nice but my JVC X7900 don't accept 4K120 and nativ 4K Projektor with HDMI 2.1 like the quality class of my x7900 is to expensive for me or I will buy a dlp Projektor for gaming.
Dirac Spatial Audio sound like a interesting improvement, but that is not directly on my "I wanna have"-List.
DTS:X pro is main feature what I am waiting for. If my Theater Room ist finished I have a 9.1.6 System and want to use all speaker with DTS:X and not only 4 High-Speaker.
So here is my question:
Would be DTS:X Pro available with the G3P without any Upgrade?
Greetings from Cologne
Ben
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Post by aswiss on Oct 9, 2022 19:13:00 GMT -5
As it will take about 1 year until the upgrades available (podcast said something of Summer 2023) I really hope, that some things will proceed without the upgrade.
I can live with mine as it is - you get used to it after 3 years - even I prefer to have it faster and more stable (I do have to cold reboot from time to time - mostly after doing some setup stuff).
So we can only hope, that the FW Update 3.x is coming fast, and then we know for sure.
Ooooh man, so much people are waiting for the new FW, some new Feature like DLBM or dts:x pro and now emotiva ist talking about the new G4P... I love the Sound of my RMC1 (my third Emotiva Processor after UMC200 and XMC1), how it is build, the Option to choose PEQ or Dirac and some more features but there some things which make me not happy. Some Feature which were communicared but it seems that there are not more comming to the G3P without an Upgrade for cash. DLBM would be fine for the GP3, but it is not so important for me because I use a DSP based DBA/Multi-Sub-System. 8K/E-Arc/4K120hz would be fine but with a Projektor I don't need any ARC. 4K120hz would be nice but my JVC X7900 don't accept 4K120 and nativ 4K Projektor with HDMI 2.1 like the quality class of my x7900 is to expensive for me or I will buy a dlp Projektor for gaming. Dirac Spatial Audio sound like a interesting improvement, but that is not directly on my "I wanna have"-List. DTS:X pro is main feature what I am waiting for. If my Theater Room ist finished I have a 9.1.6 System and want to use all speaker with DTS:X and not only 4 High-Speaker. So here is my question: Would be DTS:X Pro available with the G3P without any Upgrade? Greetings from Cologne Ben |
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Post by NicS on Oct 10, 2022 17:15:53 GMT -5
If the v3.0 firmware does not rectify the situation and the v2.1 HDMI board is available, yes, I'll be sending it in. But it’s not the 2.1 board, it’s the eARC board. Both boards then... make it worth the while. In the meantime, I'm looking into swapping out my projector for something a little newer. |
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Post by NicS on Oct 10, 2022 17:20:54 GMT -5
I am getting tired to check if there is new 3.0 firmware is on the forum every few days. I believe 3.0 "rumor" is started almost a year now. And now, our RMC-1 and RMC-1L price is down almost 1K bucks, and "The new-gen processor" news is on the official web. RMC series is out on the market almost over 4 years now and I feel that this model is already discontinued. I think that most of engineers who have to concentrate upgrade/bugfix new firmware are move to new-gen development team. Means, emotiva won't do their best to RMC series as they should and did like first few years. Am I being too pessimistic? Is it time to move to other brand? I am seriously considering it.... You are not alone in this feeling Stephen. Had the RMC-1 / RMC-1L lived up to its promise, it would be a no-brainer for me to upgrade. But I'm left feeling that I've been strung along with a piece of equipment wracked with flaws and unfulfilled promises. The mantra of "yes, that is in the development pipeline" with the knowledge that a new line of processors will be released is quite hollow sounding now. |
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Post by thezone on Oct 10, 2022 17:28:32 GMT -5
I am getting tired to check if there is new 3.0 firmware is on the forum every few days. I believe 3.0 "rumor" is started almost a year now. And now, our RMC-1 and RMC-1L price is down almost 1K bucks, and "The new-gen processor" news is on the official web. RMC series is out on the market almost over 4 years now and I feel that this model is already discontinued. I think that most of engineers who have to concentrate upgrade/bugfix new firmware are move to new-gen development team. Means, emotiva won't do their best to RMC series as they should and did like first few years. Am I being too pessimistic? Is it time to move to other brand? I am seriously considering it.... You are not alone in this feeling Stephen. Had the RMC-1 / RMC-1L lived up to its promise, it would be a no-brainer for me to upgrade. But I'm left feeling that I've been strung along with a piece of equipment wracked with flaws and unfulfilled promises. The mantra of "yes, that is in the development pipeline" with the knowledge that a new line of processors will be released is quite hollow sounding now. My guess is that they will offer a decent trade in for current models still under warranty to upgrade to the new ones. Hmmm sound familiar? Oh yeah that's how I got my current XMC-2. |
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Post by NicS on Oct 10, 2022 17:33:04 GMT -5
You are not alone in this feeling Stephen. Had the RMC-1 / RMC-1L lived up to its promise, it would be a no-brainer for me to upgrade. But I'm left feeling that I've been strung along with a piece of equipment wracked with flaws and unfulfilled promises. The mantra of "yes, that is in the development pipeline" with the knowledge that a new line of processors will be released is quite hollow sounding now. My guess is that they will offer a decent trade in for current models still under warranty to upgrade to the new ones. Hmmm sound familiar? Oh yeah that's how I got my current XMC-2. No doubt Stephen. Though I'm really disillusioned with them. I'm also looking elsewhere. |
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