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Post by junchoon on Oct 22, 2022 0:02:52 GMT -5
Indeed... - more speakers - more amplifier channels - more wiring - and possibly the cost of a big bribe to keep the significant other smiling while you cut holes in the ceiling and run wires... I'd like to see a survey of channel count that people actually use. What percentage of RMC owners now use the full 9.1.6 channel count available on both RMC's? What percentage of owners actually have a room capable of handling high channel counts like 9.1.6 and 11.1.8? The higher the channel count, the more difficult the implementation, the larger the room needs to be to map high channel count immersion, the better the firmware has to be. Costs go exponential. IMO, the likely real 11.1.8 customer, or higher channel count customer, is not an RMC customer. How many channels are allowed in a Dirac Live setup? Dolby's ATMOS installation guide shows layouts for up to 11.1.8, and some additional speaker placement guidelines. professional.dolby.com/siteassets/tv/home/dolby-atmos/atmos-installation-guidelines-121318_r3.1.pdf11.1.8 would require one expansion slot in the RMC. Expansion slots could be useful, but more for other things than additional output channel count - phono, balanced ins, digital ins, Dante, real bi-amp capability. Real bi-amp capability would sell more Emotiva amps. Put real bi-amp capability in the firmware. Make firmware that lets me map unused output channels for my own purposes. This Wide bi-amp function was never a bi-amp function. Pls kindly focus on more stable and consistent firmware instead how shiny the new G4P gonna be Thanks |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 22, 2022 0:11:09 GMT -5
Indeed... - more speakers - more amplifier channels - more wiring - and possibly the cost of a big bribe to keep the significant other smiling while you cut holes in the ceiling and run wires... Pls kindly focus on more stable and consistent firmware instead how shiny the new G4P gonna be Thanks We were talking specifically about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. NOT about how shiny the new G4P gonna be. Comprehension with reading is helpful. Perhaps it's a language barrier. Here's a G4P, shiny or not so shiny, thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/60185/xmc-rmc-processors-next-generation |
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Post by junchoon on Oct 22, 2022 6:38:47 GMT -5
Pls kindly focus on more stable and consistent firmware instead how shiny the new G4P gonna be Thanks We were talking specifically about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. NOT about how shiny the new G4P gonna be. Comprehension with reading is helpful. Perhaps it's a language barrier. Here's a G4P, shiny or not so shiny, thread: emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/60185/xmc-rmc-processors-next-generationThank you |
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Post by junchoon on Oct 22, 2022 7:25:46 GMT -5
English indeed not my native language, having needing to learn two other languages and speaking three others
I did score way above average in an English class full of native English speakers during my uni days.
Now that it is out of the way on how my English supposed to be in your eyes
Shiny or not your focus should be on providing stable and consistent firmware
Thank you for listening
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Post by marcl on Oct 22, 2022 8:46:14 GMT -5
English indeed not my native language, having needing to learn two other languages and speaking three others I did score way above average in an English class full of native English speakers during my uni days. Now that it is out of the way on how my English supposed to be in your eyes Shiny or not your focus should be on providing stable and consistent firmware Thank you for listening A word of support for your very polite answer junchoon . It was inappropriate for someone to insult you like that. It really bothers me when people are rude in forums, in a way they'd never have the guts to be face to face. Cheers! |
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Post by bblv on Oct 22, 2022 10:04:10 GMT -5
I'd like to see a survey of channel count that people actually use. What percentage of RMC owners now use the full 9.1.6 channel count available on both RMC's? What percentage of owners actually have a room capable of handling high channel counts like 9.1.6 and 11.1.8? The higher the channel count, the more difficult the implementation, the larger the room needs to be to map high channel count immersion, the better the firmware has to be. Costs go exponential. IMO, the likely real 11.1.8 customer, or higher channel count customer, is not an RMC customer. How many channels are allowed in a Dirac Live setup? Dolby's ATMOS installation guide shows layouts for up to 11.1.8, and some additional speaker placement guidelines for up to 34 channels. I suppose one could map 34 channels in a normal size room with little mini-cube speakers. Why? Perhaps I would change my mind if I heard it. Perhaps. professional.dolby.com/siteassets/tv/home/dolby-atmos/atmos-installation-guidelines-121318_r3.1.pdf11.1.8 would require one expansion slot in the RMC. Expansion slots could be useful, but more for other things than additional output channel count - phono, balanced ins, digital ins, Dante, real bi-amp capability. Real bi-amp capability would sell more Emotiva amps. Put real bi-amp capability in the firmware. Make firmware that lets me map unused output channels for my own purposes. This Wide bi-amp function was never a bi-amp function. Many of those looking for higher channel counts are building a dedicated HT room from scratch, as I did. I planned my HT room as I was building a new house and from the start I designed it for 11.4.6, as I personally felt it would be the perfect enveloping channel count and it scratched my OCD itch as most of the channels spaced fairly evenly within the room envelope I had to work with. Bummer that the RMC-1 channel expansion modules never materialized despite being teased since day 1. I’m excited to see what Emo delivers next year and appreciative that they’ve begun sharing their goals for this next gen with us. Easy to forget that most companies would not be discussing the details with us this far out. And I’m in an extra good mood this morning because I spent several hours in my HT room last night dialing in a 2.1 preset for music and had the 2” solid door flexing off of its seals with some Bassnectar test tracks and didn’t experience a single glitch from my RMC-1! 😂 |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 22, 2022 11:51:46 GMT -5
English indeed not my native language, having needing to learn two other languages and speaking three others I did score way above average in an English class full of native English speakers during my uni days. Now that it is out of the way on how my English supposed to be in your eyes Shiny or not your focus should be on providing stable and consistent firmware Thank you for listening A word of support for your very polite answer junchoon . It was inappropriate for someone to insult you like that. It really bothers me when people are rude in forums, in a way they'd never have the guts to be face to face. Cheers! I started a thread specifically about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. A misplaced snarky assertion about focus on shiny objects, that had nothing to do with the thread, is rude. It was off topic and hijacked the thread for an agenda. Perhaps you don't comprehend the thread. Or, do you have an agenda? See bblv's comment above for an appropriate followup within the thread about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. Do you have a comment about channel count, expansion, and customer usage? My vocabulary would not change if we were face to face. Cheers! |
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Post by junchoon on Oct 22, 2022 13:00:09 GMT -5
English indeed not my native language, having needing to learn two other languages and speaking three others I did score way above average in an English class full of native English speakers during my uni days. Now that it is out of the way on how my English supposed to be in your eyes Shiny or not your focus should be on providing stable and consistent firmware Thank you for listening A word of support for your very polite answer junchoon . It was inappropriate for someone to insult you like that. It really bothers me when people are rude in forums, in a way they'd never have the guts to be face to face. Cheers! Thank you for the support |
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Post by junchoon on Oct 22, 2022 13:00:53 GMT -5
A word of support for your very polite answer junchoon . It was inappropriate for someone to insult you like that. It really bothers me when people are rude in forums, in a way they'd never have the guts to be face to face. Cheers! I started a thread specifically about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. A misplaced snarky assertion about focus on shiny objects, that had nothing to do with the thread, is rude. It was off topic and hijacked the thread for an agenda. Perhaps you don't comprehend the thread. Or, do you have an agenda? See bblv's comment above for an appropriate followup within the thread about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. Do you have a comment about channel count, expansion, and customer usage? My vocabulary would not change if we were face to face. Cheers! There was no intention to be be snarky Thank you |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 22, 2022 13:24:39 GMT -5
I started a thread specifically about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. A misplaced snarky assertion about focus on shiny objects, that had nothing to do with the thread, is rude. It was off topic and hijacked the thread for an agenda. Perhaps you don't comprehend the thread. Or, do you have an agenda? See bblv's comment above for an appropriate followup within the thread about channel count, expansion, and customer usage. Do you have a comment about channel count, expansion, and customer usage? My vocabulary would not change if we were face to face. Cheers! There was no intention to be be snarky Thank you Do you have a comment about channel count, expansion, and customer usage? Thank you |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 22, 2022 15:32:00 GMT -5
I'd like to see a survey of channel count that people actually use. What percentage of RMC owners now use the full 9.1.6 channel count available on both RMC's? What percentage of owners actually have a room capable of handling high channel counts like 9.1.6 and 11.1.8? The higher the channel count, the more difficult the implementation, the larger the room needs to be to map high channel count immersion, the better the firmware has to be. Costs go exponential. IMO, the likely real 11.1.8 customer, or higher channel count customer, is not an RMC customer. How many channels are allowed in a Dirac Live setup? Dolby's ATMOS installation guide shows layouts for up to 11.1.8, and some additional speaker placement guidelines for up to 34 channels. I suppose one could map 34 channels in a normal size room with little mini-cube speakers. Why? Perhaps I would change my mind if I heard it. Perhaps. professional.dolby.com/siteassets/tv/home/dolby-atmos/atmos-installation-guidelines-121318_r3.1.pdf11.1.8 would require one expansion slot in the RMC. Expansion slots could be useful, but more for other things than additional output channel count - phono, balanced ins, digital ins, Dante, real bi-amp capability. Real bi-amp capability would sell more Emotiva amps. Put real bi-amp capability in the firmware. Make firmware that lets me map unused output channels for my own purposes. This Wide bi-amp function was never a bi-amp function. Many of those looking for higher channel counts are building a dedicated HT room from scratch, as I did. I planned my HT room as I was building a new house and from the start I designed it for 11.4.6, as I personally felt it would be the perfect enveloping channel count and it scratched my OCD itch as most of the channels spaced fairly evenly within the room envelope I had to work with. Bummer that the RMC-1 channel expansion modules never materialized despite being teased since day 1. I’m excited to see what Emo delivers next year and appreciative that they’ve begun sharing their goals for this next gen with us. Easy to forget that most companies would not be discussing the details with us this far out. And I’m in an extra good mood this morning because I spent several hours in my HT room last night dialing in a 2.1 preset for music and had the 2” solid door flexing off of its seals with some Bassnectar test tracks and didn’t experience a single glitch from my RMC-1! 😂 Thanks for your follow-up. I figure most people with high channel counts are building dedicated rooms. I don’t understand people buying an RMC (that is still vaporware past 9.1.6) for the brain of a high channel count system that is likely to be a dedicated $100,000 HT or more. A room of that size and complexity usually needs pro setup too. I designed for 7.2.6 in a HT room built by a previous owner of my home. I have backed off to 7.2.4. It sounds better to my ears. 7.2.6 is not well supported and there is better overlap between Dolby and DTS for .4 heights. The room was professionally built. It is dated and multi-purpose, but 2/3 of it is dedicated to HT. A brother of the previous owner was in the HT business, and did a good job for the time. It has high in-wall front/back, and, in-ceiling mid speakers, for 7 channels total. I used 6 (now use 4) of those channels for height channels. I could have stopped at adding a Sub, and used the room as-is for a 7.1 setup, but I have my own OCD itches too. Satisfying those helps keep me active and in touch with the career I had for 35 years. The space is my large man-cave. HT, music, electronics, a full bath, and a fridge with beer in it. What’s not to like. My wife is allowed to come down when she wants to.  We have similar ideas for speaker components. I have Titan-615’s, Volt-10’s, Vortex-15’s, and SI24mkII subs. However, DIYSG seems to have gone the way of the dodo bird, and I wasn’t able to amass enough parts before they were gone. Now, I have brand new unused volts and vortex’s, 2 extra Max-15’s, in boxes; enough to handle my current channel count, but not all in the way I wanted to setup the HT. Some will still get used. I will probably tinker with the rest. The Titan and Volt crossovers need a little work. I could PM you with details if you want. I recall seeing a 630 build somewhere. Was it yours? There is no replacement for displacement. I entertain similar thoughts. I have enough Max-15 and AETD15S woofers to do L&R 630 style. C, Surr, and Back, 615 style. I will probably stop at 615 style for all 7 base channels, using just the AETD15S woofers. I don’t use the Titan 615 M-T tops anymore. I use a different CD/Horn top. It’s more than enough, and my original plan was to have the same speakers for all 7 base channels at the highest quality I could afford. The way I am getting there has changed. I think it is important to have the same speakers in all the base channels. There is a lot of image information between the fronts and surrounds, and voicing includes not only a similar sound but also the same crossover points and types. A reasonable compromise is for the main 5 base channels to be the same, with the other surrounds having similar voicing. The coax setup for height channels in a HT, like you use, is the best for x,y,z axis needs. Even large HT rooms have relatively short distances between speakers and people. Heck, a good ATMOS theater of 200 seats has only about 7-10 money seats in 2 or 3 rows. There are 4 competing immersion formats and not a small amount of schizophrenia in the industry about speaker implementation in a HT. I have tried different speaker setups. I currently use 45 deg between L&R. 45 deg for heights. Heights are just about in a line, front to back, which is midway between left-center and right-center. That’s approximately how the heights are positioned on the Dolby mixing stage. This height placement is recommended by Anthony Grimani. Trinnov wouldn’t agree with my height placement. 100 deg for surround. 160-165 deg for backs. When I used a wider angle between the backs, sometimes a back sound would throw to the front. It was very odd. It took me a while to figure out the back issue. I followed Anthony Grimani’s advice on back speaker placement. He recommends 165 deg for the backs to eliminate the throw to the front. It stabilizes the sound and doesn’t appear odd in the mix. I was surprised. It’s a psychoacoustic issue I don’t yet understand. I’m also looking forward to what Emo will deliver with G4P. The FW feature set needs expansion as well as stability. Their announcement tells me they have a future for processors. How’s the plumbing working in your house with those Bassnectar tracks? 808 is Great!? One of my favorite test tracks is “It’s a Miracle” on the Roger Waters “Amused to Death” Bluray album. When I could feel the tom-tom thwacks in my eyeballs I knew I got the crossover right. I even heard a bad vocal edit in the mix. Frequency response and timing… |
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Post by jim80z on Oct 22, 2022 16:24:39 GMT -5
I'd like to see a survey of channel count that people actually use. What percentage of RMC owners now use the full 9.1.6 channel count available on both RMC's? What percentage of owners actually have a room capable of handling high channel counts like 9.1.6 and 11.1.8? The higher the channel count, the more difficult the implementation, the larger the room needs to be to map high channel count immersion, the better the firmware has to be. Costs go exponential. IMO, the likely real 11.1.8 customer, or higher channel count customer, is not an RMC customer. How many channels are allowed in a Dirac Live setup? ................... Many of those looking for higher channel counts are building a dedicated HT room from scratch, as I did. I planned my HT room as I was building a new house and from the start I designed it for 11.4.6, as I personally felt it would be the perfect enveloping channel count and it scratched my OCD itch as most of the channels spaced fairly evenly within the room envelope I had to work with. Bummer that the RMC-1 channel expansion modules never materialized despite being teased since day 1. I’m excited to see what Emo delivers next year and appreciative that they’ve begun sharing their goals for this next gen with us. Easy to forget that most companies would not be discussing the details with us this far out. And I’m in an extra good mood this morning because I spent several hours in my HT room last night dialing in a 2.1 preset for music and had the 2” solid door flexing off of its seals with some Bassnectar test tracks and didn’t experience a single glitch from my RMC-1! 😂 Agreed the higher channel counts are usually attributed to dedicated HT rooms which is what I built. I planned to have a room with minimum 9.4.8 (but intended 11.4.8). I currently have 9.1.6. Let me explain: - the room is 7m long x 6m wide - has 2 rows of 5 seats - currently has 8 Atmos speakers installed where the two middle sets are connected together giving .6 instead of .8 - I have 4 SW and am using a minidsp to provide the .1 - my bed layer is currently 9 ie I have the front array, front wides, rears and am using dipole surrounds. - WRT the dipole surrounds (also include a direct radiator) I know according to dolby your not supposed to technically use them as they are not direct but since the rmc-1 initially didn't have the channel count for me to add another 2 surrounds I took a chance and tried these situated in between the two rows of seats. I have to say once they were dialled in I cant fault them, their rendering of sound or the movement from front to wides to rears via the surround dipoles in any of the seats. I don't think I will be replacing them. - my aim was to give as good an experience for each seat not just the king seat Im kind of OCD as well and am very happy where things are headed, the even spacing of the speakers and the rendering of sound quality and movement. When I chose the rmc-1 it was for a hand full of reasons.....1. that it would give me the extra channel outs at some point to give me 11.4.8 (and speaker of god), 2. you cant argue with the price point based on what was as you say "teased" from a capability pov, 3. I was hearing great things about Emo so I purchased an XSP-1 first for my dedicated stereo setup and loved it AND 4. I knew buying the RMC-1 would be a beta experience and Im into that discovery/journey kind of thing. So I knew what I was getting into (I had prev read the xmc-1 threads) and now I welcome Emo's latest news but do expect a solid FW update (get rid of the pops/cracks etc see my other posts) to round out gen 3. I still love my XSP-1, XPA multichannel amps AND my RMC-1. I forced the kids to watch The Great Wall last night (forced = they are to busy worried what IMDB and rotten tomatoes think) as I wanted to see the 4k ATMOS bluray presentation of it.........for the record the movie itself is OK BUT the picture + sound are fantastic (kids approval tick).....like you bblv the RMC-1 didn't skip a beat and I was in a great mood. Hope this helps answer your question PaulBe from my pov. |
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Post by bblv on Oct 22, 2022 18:52:51 GMT -5
Many of those looking for higher channel counts are building a dedicated HT room from scratch, as I did. I planned my HT room as I was building a new house and from the start I designed it for 11.4.6, as I personally felt it would be the perfect enveloping channel count and it scratched my OCD itch as most of the channels spaced fairly evenly within the room envelope I had to work with. Bummer that the RMC-1 channel expansion modules never materialized despite being teased since day 1. I’m excited to see what Emo delivers next year and appreciative that they’ve begun sharing their goals for this next gen with us. Easy to forget that most companies would not be discussing the details with us this far out. And I’m in an extra good mood this morning because I spent several hours in my HT room last night dialing in a 2.1 preset for music and had the 2” solid door flexing off of its seals with some Bassnectar test tracks and didn’t experience a single glitch from my RMC-1! 😂 Thanks for your follow-up. I figure most people with high channel counts are building dedicated rooms. I don’t understand people buying an RMC (that is still vaporware past 9.1.6) for the brain of a high channel count system that is likely to be a dedicated $100,000 HT or more. A room of that size and complexity usually needs pro setup too. I designed for 7.2.6 in a HT room built by a previous owner of my home. I have backed off to 7.2.4. It sounds better to my ears. 7.2.6 is not well supported and there is better overlap between Dolby and DTS for .4 heights. The room was professionally built. It is dated and multi-purpose, but 2/3 of it is dedicated to HT. A brother of the previous owner was in the HT business, and did a good job for the time. It has high in-wall front/back, and, in-ceiling mid speakers, for 7 channels total. I used 6 (now use 4) of those channels for height channels. I could have stopped at adding a Sub, and used the room as-is for a 7.1 setup, but I have my own OCD itches too. Satisfying those helps keep me active and in touch with the career I had for 35 years. The space is my large man-cave. HT, music, electronics, a full bath, and a fridge with beer in it. What’s not to like. My wife is allowed to come down when she wants to. We have similar ideas for speaker components. I have Titan-615’s, Volt-10’s, Vortex-15’s, and SI24mkII subs. However, DIYSG seems to have gone the way of the dodo bird, and I wasn’t able to amass enough parts before they were gone. Now, I have brand new unused volts and vortex’s, 2 extra Max-15’s, in boxes; enough to handle my current channel count, but not all in the way I wanted to setup the HT. Some will still get used. I will probably tinker with the rest. The Titan and Volt crossovers need a little work. I could PM you with details if you want. I recall seeing a 630 build somewhere. Was it yours? There is no replacement for displacement. I entertain similar thoughts. I have enough Max-15 and AETD15S woofers to do L&R 630 style. C, Surr, and Back, 615 style. I will probably stop at 615 style for all 7 base channels, using just the AETD15S woofers. I don’t use the Titan 615 M-T tops anymore. I use a different CD/Horn top. It’s more than enough, and my original plan was to have the same speakers for all 7 base channels at the highest quality I could afford. The way I am getting there has changed. I think it is important to have the same speakers in all the base channels. There is a lot of image information between the fronts and surrounds, and voicing includes not only a similar sound but also the same crossover points and types. A reasonable compromise is for the main 5 base channels to be the same, with the other surrounds having similar voicing. The coax setup for height channels in a HT, like you use, is the best for x,y,z axis needs. Even large HT rooms have relatively short distances between speakers and people. Heck, a good ATMOS theater of 200 seats has only about 7-10 money seats in 2 or 3 rows. There are 4 competing immersion formats and not a small amount of schizophrenia in the industry about speaker implementation in a HT. I have tried different speaker setups. I currently use 45 deg between L&R. 45 deg for heights. Heights are just about in a line, front to back, which is midway between left-center and right-center. That’s approximately how the heights are positioned on the Dolby mixing stage. This height placement is recommended by Anthony Grimani. Trinnov wouldn’t agree with my height placement. 100 deg for surround. 160-165 deg for backs. When I used a wider angle between the backs, sometimes a back sound would throw to the front. It was very odd. It took me a while to figure out the back issue. I followed Anthony Grimani’s advice on back speaker placement. He recommends 165 deg for the backs to eliminate the throw to the front. It stabilizes the sound and doesn’t appear odd in the mix. I was surprised. It’s a psychoacoustic issue I don’t yet understand. I’m also looking forward to what Emo will deliver with G4P. The FW feature set needs expansion as well as stability. Their announcement tells me they have a future for processors. How’s the plumbing working in your house with those Bassnectar tracks? 808 is Great!? One of my favorite test tracks is “It’s a Miracle” on the Roger Waters “Amused to Death” Bluray album. When I could feel the tom-tom thwacks in my eyeballs I knew I got the crossover right. I even heard a bad vocal edit in the mix. Frequency response and timing… I don’t want to derail this thread and channel count discussion , but here’s a link to my build thread (I need to go through it myself and see if I ever finished my updates!): www.avsforum.com/threads/theater-build-finally-moving-forward-titan-630lx-shs-24-htm-10-volt-10.3112440/#post-59018024 |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 22, 2022 21:31:51 GMT -5
Thanks for your follow-up. I figure most people with high channel counts are building dedicated rooms. I don’t understand people buying an RMC (that is still vaporware past 9.1.6) for the brain of a high channel count system that is likely to be a dedicated $100,000 HT or more. A room of that size and complexity usually needs pro setup too. I designed for 7.2.6 in a HT room built by a previous owner of my home. I have backed off to 7.2.4. It sounds better to my ears. 7.2.6 is not well supported and there is better overlap between Dolby and DTS for .4 heights. The room was professionally built. It is dated and multi-purpose, but 2/3 of it is dedicated to HT. A brother of the previous owner was in the HT business, and did a good job for the time. It has high in-wall front/back, and, in-ceiling mid speakers, for 7 channels total. I used 6 (now use 4) of those channels for height channels. I could have stopped at adding a Sub, and used the room as-is for a 7.1 setup, but I have my own OCD itches too. Satisfying those helps keep me active and in touch with the career I had for 35 years. The space is my large man-cave. HT, music, electronics, a full bath, and a fridge with beer in it. What’s not to like. My wife is allowed to come down when she wants to. We have similar ideas for speaker components. I have Titan-615’s, Volt-10’s, Vortex-15’s, and SI24mkII subs. However, DIYSG seems to have gone the way of the dodo bird, and I wasn’t able to amass enough parts before they were gone. Now, I have brand new unused volts and vortex’s, 2 extra Max-15’s, in boxes; enough to handle my current channel count, but not all in the way I wanted to setup the HT. Some will still get used. I will probably tinker with the rest. The Titan and Volt crossovers need a little work. I could PM you with details if you want. I recall seeing a 630 build somewhere. Was it yours? There is no replacement for displacement. I entertain similar thoughts. I have enough Max-15 and AETD15S woofers to do L&R 630 style. C, Surr, and Back, 615 style. I will probably stop at 615 style for all 7 base channels, using just the AETD15S woofers. I don’t use the Titan 615 M-T tops anymore. I use a different CD/Horn top. It’s more than enough, and my original plan was to have the same speakers for all 7 base channels at the highest quality I could afford. The way I am getting there has changed. I think it is important to have the same speakers in all the base channels. There is a lot of image information between the fronts and surrounds, and voicing includes not only a similar sound but also the same crossover points and types. A reasonable compromise is for the main 5 base channels to be the same, with the other surrounds having similar voicing. The coax setup for height channels in a HT, like you use, is the best for x,y,z axis needs. Even large HT rooms have relatively short distances between speakers and people. Heck, a good ATMOS theater of 200 seats has only about 7-10 money seats in 2 or 3 rows. There are 4 competing immersion formats and not a small amount of schizophrenia in the industry about speaker implementation in a HT. I have tried different speaker setups. I currently use 45 deg between L&R. 45 deg for heights. Heights are just about in a line, front to back, which is midway between left-center and right-center. That’s approximately how the heights are positioned on the Dolby mixing stage. This height placement is recommended by Anthony Grimani. Trinnov wouldn’t agree with my height placement. 100 deg for surround. 160-165 deg for backs. When I used a wider angle between the backs, sometimes a back sound would throw to the front. It was very odd. It took me a while to figure out the back issue. I followed Anthony Grimani’s advice on back speaker placement. He recommends 165 deg for the backs to eliminate the throw to the front. It stabilizes the sound and doesn’t appear odd in the mix. I was surprised. It’s a psychoacoustic issue I don’t yet understand. I’m also looking forward to what Emo will deliver with G4P. The FW feature set needs expansion as well as stability. Their announcement tells me they have a future for processors. How’s the plumbing working in your house with those Bassnectar tracks? 808 is Great!? One of my favorite test tracks is “It’s a Miracle” on the Roger Waters “Amused to Death” Bluray album. When I could feel the tom-tom thwacks in my eyeballs I knew I got the crossover right. I even heard a bad vocal edit in the mix. Frequency response and timing… I don’t want to derail this thread and channel count discussion , but here’s a link to my build thread (I need to go through it myself and see if I ever finished my updates!): www.avsforum.com/threads/theater-build-finally-moving-forward-titan-630lx-shs-24-htm-10-volt-10.3112440/#post-59018024Thanks for your link. I don't recall seeing yours. It is eng-399's build that I now remember. Your link led me to his: www.avsforum.com/threads/titan-630-xl-xxl-dual-15s-and-waveguide-13-5-cubic-ft-cabinets-tuned-25hz.2982568/#post-56313460Nice to see both builds. It's a monster project. You both did a great job. |
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Post by klipschoholic on Oct 23, 2022 13:15:31 GMT -5
Just got a rmc 1l anyone know why all stereo mode is a lot quieter than anything other sound mode? I know it's a party sound mode. Just find it weird I have the crank the volume when using it.
Also, I have a lg cx and watch apps through it. I have the audio format set to passthrough on the tv and set to the surround audio mode on the rmc 1l and there is no audio coming through the center channel.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 23, 2022 13:34:33 GMT -5
Just got a rmc 1l anyone know why all stereo mode is a lot quieter than anything other sound mode? I know it's a party sound mode. Just find it weird I have the crank the volume when using it. Also, I have a lg cx and watch apps through it. I have the audio format set to passthrough on the tv and set to the surround audio mode on the rmc 1l and there is no audio coming through the center channel. To confirm, when you run the channel level tests the center channel works normally? Does ‘Auto’ also give no center? |
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Post by oleops on Oct 23, 2022 14:32:45 GMT -5
I'd like to see a survey of channel count that people actually use. What percentage of RMC owners now use the full 9.1.6 channel count available on both RMC's? Altough I "only" have the XMC-2, I still feels it call for me too as the RMC-1L is pretty much stuck with the same channel count ;-) I am currently building a HT and after reading to tears and gone over my finding over and over and second guessing myself alot, I landed on a 9.1.4 setup. And I really hope that the wides will come into some use. 4 Atmos came from the urge for more .1 channels.. Thinking of using all three outputs for subs.. still hoping for DLBC, If I really need it I dunno as the subs will be "perfectly" placed, a testrun of the HT soon :-p (sometimes next year) will probably tell, also hope there's no need for a DSP. This I hope will be a huge upgrade from my recent HT 5.1 system and my currently 7.1 in my livingroom... With the the new Dirac Spatial Room Correction Technology it seems that 32+ channels is a wet dream And probably forewer will be a dream for me, if I am lucky with my HT design I hope I dont see/hear the need. And also want to mention that up to this point I have zero issues with my XMC, altough with pretty simple setup with video direct to my projector and only sound goes to the XMC.. havent even heard of arc or earc before this forum :-p |
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Post by klipschoholic on Oct 23, 2022 15:17:39 GMT -5
Just got a rmc 1l anyone know why all stereo mode is a lot quieter than anything other sound mode? I know it's a party sound mode. Just find it weird I have the crank the volume when using it. Also, I have a lg cx and watch apps through it. I have the audio format set to passthrough on the tv and set to the surround audio mode on the rmc 1l and there is no audio coming through the center channel. To confirm, when you run the channel level tests the center channel works normally? Does ‘Auto’ also give no center? Running channel level test center channel works and when in all stereo. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 23, 2022 19:13:25 GMT -5
I'd like to see a survey of channel count that people actually use. What percentage of RMC owners now use the full 9.1.6 channel count available on both RMC's? I landed on a 9.1.4 setup. And I really hope that the wides will come into some use. What source material do you have that makes use of the wides? Would you list some titles? |
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Post by oleops on Oct 24, 2022 1:18:50 GMT -5
I landed on a 9.1.4 setup. And I really hope that the wides will come into some use. What source material do you have that makes use of the wides? Would you list some titles? Like I said, I really hope there will be some (more) source material.. :-p I have not tested any wides so far, as my current setup is only 7.1 Emotive Lounge "list-atmos-movies-front-wides"Have seen some list on other forums also, but dont have them at hand |
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