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Post by jdmusante on Nov 11, 2022 15:53:34 GMT -5
I don't think you're going to see it fix a ton. I think there were limitations with the hardware they used and its been an uphill battle. I've tossed around the idea of moving onto something different but my RMC-1L mostly just works. There is not a pre/pro I can find that has both balanced XLR in and a USB audio in. The Emotiva pre/pros seem to be it. It works very well with my Apple TV 4K (V2) & my Oppo 205. I use a Nintendo Switch from time to time, the the balanced XLR input and the USB audio in. Again they all work well and sound excellent. The biggest issue I have is with playing SACDs. Clicks and pops are prevalent and take away from the listening experience. I also get couple of clicks and pops (very quiet) on start up. This doesn't bother me or interfere with my enjoyment. I hope they fix this issue but it's not a deal breaker for me. Not even going to think about G4 until I see it in the wild. This is currently all I need. At the end of the day, it's about being honest and transparent. Don't slow roll me with "it's coming". If the platform has limitations and there are issues that cannot be fixed, just say it. I'm in a position where my pre/pro is OK, it aggravates me at times, but with the external HDMI switch, it's "OK". My beef is with Emotiva as a company, trust is fragile, when broken it's hard to get it back. I agree with you that they should be more transparent. I was not a fan of Emotiva announcing their next pre/pro iteration when they can't get a firmware update out for the 'current' model. Kind of said they were ready to throw in the towel on the G3 processors. But, I get where they are coming from too with G3 being 5 years old. I've had my RMC-1L for a year this December (I waited until the very the trade in program to trade in my XMC-1). I knew what I was getting into when I purchased it: a pre/pro with the input/outputs I wanted, buggy with some sources, slow HDMI switching but great sound for $2k. Overall, it has met those expectations. I'm no longer under the illusion that these processors are upgradable, Emotiva's or anyone else's for that matter. Tech is moving too fast. Waiting for DLBC or a HDMI 2.1 card is not anything I care about. If I did, I'd probably be more bothered by it. I'm personally not holding my breath for the 3.0 firmware. The processor I currently have is the one I can live with at this time. |
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Post by NicS on Nov 11, 2022 16:05:33 GMT -5
Happy Friday campers!!
One more week slips by without.....you...know...what....
296 days since the last firmware update for the RMC-1/RMC-1L/XMC-2
211 days since I was told the v3.0 software was "a week" away.
Big week next week!
Tuesday with be the 300th day! What should we do? Have a virtual keg party? I'm up for a celebration. Maybe start a countdown to the big 365 day landmark?
I hope you weekend is free of HDMI handshake issues and loud popping noises that might have the dog running for cover.
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Post by Topend on Nov 11, 2022 19:12:56 GMT -5
Seems like some are giving up all hope of FW3.0. I reached out to Emotiva and their response was that it is coming. I won’t repeat the information they shared but they have made changes that should see improvements with HDMI. I’m confident we will see new FW within weeks, not months.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Post by aswiss on Nov 11, 2022 20:55:34 GMT -5
Seems like some are giving up all hope of FW3.0. I reached out to Emotiva and their response was that it is coming. I won’t repeat the information they shared but they have made changes that should see improvements with HDMI. I’m confident we will see new FW within weeks, not months. Cheers, Dave. So its again weeks, not days. same message than some weeks, months back.
I will maybe check back before Christmas.
If its not there then, I keep it as is and will move on later next year. someone else can profit to get a new G4P.
3 years living with issues is enough for a 5499 € Processor 
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Post by modicen on Nov 12, 2022 1:00:23 GMT -5
Seems like some are giving up all hope of FW3.0. I reached out to Emotiva and their response was that it is coming. I won’t repeat the information they shared but they have made changes that should see improvements with HDMI. I’m confident we will see new FW within weeks, not months. Cheers, Dave. We’ve all heard that half a dozen times now. Lol. |
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Post by xeno on Nov 13, 2022 21:55:32 GMT -5
So now I'm noticing that my RMC-1L's display will blink off for a second while watching movies or tv. The sound doesn't go away but I notice it every 10 minutes or so. I've already had to disable the OSD so it's not on constantly while playing PS5 but now I guess I have to dim the unit's display to off to bypass the distraction. Seems like pretty soon I may need to just unplug this unit altogether.
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 13, 2022 22:18:18 GMT -5
So now I'm noticing that my RMC-1L's display will blink off for a second while watching movies or tv. The sound doesn't go away but I notice it every 10 minutes or so. I've already had to disable the OSD so it's not on constantly while playing PS5 but now I guess I have to dim the unit's display to off to bypass the distraction. Seems like pretty soon I may need to just unplug this unit altogether. Warranty? Call support? |
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Post by junchoon on Nov 14, 2022 6:26:29 GMT -5
So now I'm noticing that my RMC-1L's display will blink off for a second while watching movies or tv. The sound doesn't go away but I notice it every 10 minutes or so. I've already had to disable the OSD so it's not on constantly while playing PS5 but now I guess I have to dim the unit's display to off to bypass the distraction. Seems like pretty soon I may need to just unplug this unit altogether. Quickly replace the display My old xmc-1’s display is completely dim now - has no replacement parts available. You can try to fix it but cannot replace it. Hopefully the G3’s replacement parts are more abundant |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 14, 2022 9:43:51 GMT -5
Are you sure that it's actually "blinking off". The display on the XMC-1, XMC-2, RMC-1, and RMC-1L has a sort of screen saver to prevent burn-in. Once every several minutes the display image shifts randomly by a pixel or two to prevent the OLED display from burning in. However, "if you catch it out of the corner of your eye", it LOOKS LIKE the display has flickered. (But it's very difficult to see if you watch directly for it.) If that's what's happening then it is PERFECTLY NORMAL... Otherwise, if you're watching something streaming, and the signal drops for a split second, that also could cause the display to flicker. Of course, it could be an actual problem, in which case you should let us know. So now I'm noticing that my RMC-1L's display will blink off for a second while watching movies or tv. The sound doesn't go away but I notice it every 10 minutes or so. I've already had to disable the OSD so it's not on constantly while playing PS5 but now I guess I have to dim the unit's display to off to bypass the distraction. Seems like pretty soon I may need to just unplug this unit altogether. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 14, 2022 11:25:27 GMT -5
Are you sure that it's actually "blinking off". The display on the XMC-1, XMC-2, RMC-1, and RMC-1L has a sort of screen saver to prevent burn-in. Once every several minutes the display image shifts randomly by a pixel or two to prevent the OLED display from burning in. However, "if you catch it out of the corner of your eye", it LOOKS LIKE the display has flickered. (But it's very difficult to see if you watch directly for it.) If that's what's happening then it is PERFECTLY NORMAL... Otherwise, if you're watching something streaming, and the signal drops for a split second, that also could cause the display to flicker. Of course, it could be an actual problem, in which case you should let us know. So now I'm noticing that my RMC-1L's display will blink off for a second while watching movies or tv. The sound doesn't go away but I notice it every 10 minutes or so. I've already had to disable the OSD so it's not on constantly while playing PS5 but now I guess I have to dim the unit's display to off to bypass the distraction. Seems like pretty soon I may need to just unplug this unit altogether. Thanks for explaining this. I see this 'flicker' in my peripheral vision every time I watch a movie. Makes sense to have this feature with an OLED display. I use the display at 20% brightness. The higher brightness settings are too bright in a darkened room. 20% is more than enough for my eyes in a bright room. Would be nice to have a 10% setting. I can live with the 20% setting. |
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Post by xeno on Nov 14, 2022 15:29:17 GMT -5
Are you sure that it's actually "blinking off"... Thanks for explaining this. I see this 'flicker' in my peripheral vision every time I watch a movie. Makes sense to have this feature with an OLED display. I use the display at 20% brightness. The higher brightness settings are too bright in a darkened room. 20% is more than enough for my eyes in a bright room. Would be nice to have a 10% setting. I can live with the 20% setting. Yes, thanks so much for the explanation. I'm never looking directly at the display so that makes sense. As I said, there are no audio dropouts so it wasn't really affecting anything. Good to know! |
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Post by sebna on Nov 14, 2022 19:55:54 GMT -5
Does XMC2 support running system without center channel? Can the lack of center be nicely mitigated and naturly routed through L / R?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 14, 2022 20:15:13 GMT -5
Does XMC2 support running system without center channel? Can the lack of center be nicely mitigated and naturly routed through L / R? I’m guessing you still haven’t hooked yours up. Yes, you can set the center to ‘None’ and have a phantom center channel. |
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Post by marcl on Nov 14, 2022 21:02:14 GMT -5
Does XMC2 support running system without center channel? Can the lack of center be nicely mitigated and naturly routed through L / R? I’m guessing you still haven’t hooked yours up. Yes, you can set the center to ‘None’ and have a phantom center channel. + sebna Note ... only for content 48KHz or lower. So video content will work. But any multichannel content at higher sample rates, the phantom center doesn't work. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 15, 2022 10:23:09 GMT -5
I’m guessing you still haven’t hooked yours up. Yes, you can set the center to ‘None’ and have a phantom center channel. + sebna Note ... only for content 48KHz or lower. So video content will work. But any multichannel content at higher sample rates, the phantom center doesn't work.Would you explain this in more detail? Is high sample rate center channel information just not routed to L&R when a Center channel in the RMC is set to 'None'? If so, this is a very strange bug in the FW. |
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Post by marcl on Nov 15, 2022 10:44:03 GMT -5
+ sebna Note ... only for content 48KHz or lower. So video content will work. But any multichannel content at higher sample rates, the phantom center doesn't work.Would you explain this in more detail? Is high sample rate center channel information just not routed to L&R when a Center channel in the RMC is set to 'None'? If so, this is a very strange bug in the FW. I discovered this at the same time I discovered that the processors will not upmix to Dolby Surround or DTS if the sample rate is >48k. Then for my high res music - which is 88 or 96 or DSD, etc. - I wanted to try phantom center. I set my Center=None, and sound still came out of the center speaker. So I played around and confirmed it was related to the sample rate being >48K. I could just down-sample everything in JRiver DSP Studio to 48k since Dirac is going to do that anyway. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 15, 2022 12:05:02 GMT -5
Would you explain this in more detail? Is high sample rate center channel information just not routed to L&R when a Center channel in the RMC is set to 'None'? If so, this is a very strange bug in the FW. I discovered this at the same time I discovered that the processors will not upmix to Dolby Surround or DTS if the sample rate is >48k. Then for my high res music - which is 88 or 96 or DSD, etc. - I wanted to try phantom center. I set my Center=None, and sound still came out of the center speaker. So I played around and confirmed it was related to the sample rate being >48K. I could just down-sample everything in JRiver DSP Studio to 48k since Dirac is going to do that anyway. I just loaded a Pure Audio Blu-ray recording done in 5.1 DTS-HD MA 24bit/192kHz. Nielsen, Symphonies 1-6, LSO. The DTS Neural:X upmixer upmixes to 7.1 when I select it with the Mode button. I have dts Direct enabled in the Preferences menu. Edit: Now I loaded Roger Waters "Amused to Death" blu-ray; 24bit/96kHz 5.1 uncompressed. It will not upmix in Dolby or DTS. I wouldn't expect it to do so, nor would I want to do it. It would destroy image information in the recording. I think this lock against upmixing is determined in the recording, not in malfunctioning RMC FW. I can't put an exact number on it, but much of my multi-channel music collection has little information in the Center channel. The center channel in multi-channel music is often just low level fill. |
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Post by marcl on Nov 15, 2022 12:40:04 GMT -5
I discovered this at the same time I discovered that the processors will not upmix to Dolby Surround or DTS if the sample rate is >48k. Then for my high res music - which is 88 or 96 or DSD, etc. - I wanted to try phantom center. I set my Center=None, and sound still came out of the center speaker. So I played around and confirmed it was related to the sample rate being >48K. I could just down-sample everything in JRiver DSP Studio to 48k since Dirac is going to do that anyway. I just loaded a Pure Audio Blu-ray recording done in 5.1 DTS-HD MA 24bit/192kHz. Nielsen, Symphonies 1-6, LSO. The DTS Neural:X upmixer upmixes to 7.1 when I select it with the Mode button. I have dts Direct enabled in the Preferences menu. I have the Roger Waters "Amused to Death" blu-ray; 24bit/96kHz 5.1 uncompressed. It will not upmix in Dolby or DTS. I wouldn't expect it to do so, nor would I want to do it. It would destroy image information in the recording. I think this lock against upmixing is determined in the recording, not in malfunctioning RMC FW. Yes but ... we would expect 2-channel to upmix because that's a very typical case. And Emotiva did confirm at the time (a couple years ago) that even 2-channel won't upmix if it's >48KHz |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 15, 2022 12:49:50 GMT -5
I just loaded a Pure Audio Blu-ray recording done in 5.1 DTS-HD MA 24bit/192kHz. Nielsen, Symphonies 1-6, LSO. The DTS Neural:X upmixer upmixes to 7.1 when I select it with the Mode button. I have dts Direct enabled in the Preferences menu. I have the Roger Waters "Amused to Death" blu-ray; 24bit/96kHz 5.1 uncompressed. It will not upmix in Dolby or DTS. I wouldn't expect it to do so, nor would I want to do it. It would destroy image information in the recording. I think this lock against upmixing is determined in the recording, not in malfunctioning RMC FW. Yes but ... we would expect 2-channel to upmix because that's a very typical case. And Emotiva did confirm at the time (a couple years ago) that even 2-channel won't upmix if it's >48KHz OK. I just reloaded the Roger Waters "Amused to Death" blu-ray; using the 2-channel uncompressed 24bit/96kHz track. It up-mixes in both Dolby and DTS, including my height channels - 7.2.6. I'm using FW2.3. |
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Post by marcl on Nov 15, 2022 13:18:07 GMT -5
Yes but ... we would expect 2-channel to upmix because that's a very typical case. And Emotiva did confirm at the time (a couple years ago) that even 2-channel won't upmix if it's >48KHz OK. I just reloaded the Roger Waters "Amused to Death" blu-ray; using the 2-channel uncompressed 24bit/96kHz track. It up-mixes in both Dolby and DTS, including my height channels - 7.2.6. I'm using FW2.3. Yes mine does too ... well, either I remembered incorrectly and it always was only > 2-channel that didn't work, or they fixed it. However .... phantom center does not work >48KHz ... confirmed. Setting Center=None the center speaker still plays. |
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