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Post by ttocs on Jul 18, 2020 8:02:07 GMT -5
I have tried calibrating 1.0 with the mic pointed both up and forward and for the front speakers it didn't matter, really. 90 degrees is the only practical solution for our multichannel measurements. The main thing is consistency, and making each measurement position at least 18" apart. Iโve wondered about changing the order of measurements? Once you get the boom setup on one side of the couch it would be easier to take two or three measurements on that side, then do the same on the other side. You can click on the measurement you want to take, so the order is up to the user. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 18, 2020 8:27:07 GMT -5
Iโve wondered about changing the order of measurements? Once you get the boom setup on one side of the couch it would be easier to take two or three measurements on that side, then do the same on the other side. You can click on the measurement you want to take, so the order is up to the user. Yep, I've done that as well. The order they would have you perform the measurements isn't necessarily the most logical for everyone. |
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Post by marcl on Jul 18, 2020 8:41:44 GMT -5
You can click on the measurement you want to take, so the order is up to the user. Yep, I've done that as well. The order they would have you perform the measurements isn't necessarily the most logical for everyone. The one thing they emphasize is that the first measurement must be at the MLP so that Dirac can determine the distance setting for each speaker. I always do this, but I also have tried returning the mic to the first position after all other measurements are complete, and measuring it again. Then I leave the mic in that exact position and do a set of REW measurements after the filters load. I think this gives the best idea how close the actual corrections came to the target curve. Have I messed up the calibration by doing this? Who knows .... eventually I just got really good at getting the mic back to the MLP (with the help of a laser measurer) and got consistent REW measurements without doing the extra round at the end. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 18, 2020 9:38:28 GMT -5
Yep, I've done that as well. The order they would have you perform the measurements isn't necessarily the most logical for everyone. The one thing they emphasize is that the first measurement must be at the MLP so that Dirac can determine the distance setting for each speaker. I always do this, but I also have tried returning the mic to the first position after all other measurements are complete, and measuring it again. Then I leave the mic in that exact position and do a set of REW measurements after the filters load. I think this gives the best idea how close the actual corrections came to the target curve. Have I messed up the calibration by doing this? Who knows .... eventually I just got really good at getting the mic back to the MLP (with the help of a laser measurer) and got consistent REW measurements without doing the extra round at the end. Currently, with Dirac 3 and the G3Ps, the recommendation is to set your levels at 0 before starting; if you want to do any tweaking at the end, 0 would be what Dirac thinks is level and you can add or subtract from that. Itโs not required to do it this way, but it makes sense to most of the beta team. Edit ... and another use for my new laser! |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 18, 2020 10:05:52 GMT -5
You can click on the measurement you want to take, so the order is up to the user. Yep, I've done that as well. The order they would have you perform the measurements isn't necessarily the most logical for everyone. Iโve seen you could do it, and tried it, I just wondered if I was messing with the algorithm; it seems from the video probably not. |
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Post by lokyc on Jul 18, 2020 10:07:10 GMT -5
Just realized you mentioned the EMM-6. That's an XLR mic using phantom power - right? Not sure how you get that to input as USB to your PC....maybe someone else knows. If worse came to worse, you could sell it and get a Cross Spectrum UMIK - or just use the mic that comes from Emotiva. Mark I have a couple of these USB interfaces, one from Focusrite, the other from Behringer, they are very similar. I use them mostly for stereo recording into GarageBand on my Mac mini, or directly into my iPad Pro 11 with USB-C. They can accept low impedance balanced XLR or TRS from a mic or mixer, or high impedance unbalanced TS directly from an instrument or line. They can also provide phantom power if needed. If you had a calibrated mic like the EMM-6 they can get you connected via USB. They also have line outputs for powered speakers, making them a great โdesktopโ preamp essentially providing ADC w/2-channel mixing, and DAC w/speaker and headphone preamp, all with separate levels. One of these, a MacBook Pro, a pair of Airmotive 5โs and headphones makeup my winter system (a couple guitars too), actually travels well. There are also single channel versions a little less expensive. Tx AudioHTIT
I have a Focusrite 6i6 and Tascam 16x8. Glad to know they would not be wasted!
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Post by tngiloy on Jul 18, 2020 10:26:02 GMT -5
Does the 'license key' come with the kit? No key is needed. Emotiva provides Dirac with a list of codes based on your processor's MAC address. Dirac will run if it sees a valid MAC address. You may have to login to the program the first time you run it with login info you create at the Dirac site. So I was able to get into Dirac to the point it searched for my device, which it was unable to find. I'm guessing it was unable to locate my RMC-1 because: I don't have the pieces of the kit hooked up yet and don't have the newer 2.x Emo firmware installed. It was encouraging that I got to the point where it was looking for the processor. Now I'll just have to be patient and wait for my kit. If I understood Nick correctly the kits are being mailed according to the purchase date and I just got mine a couple weeks ago, so I'm probably near the end of the queue. The good thing is the RMC-1 sounds very good with just the basic speaker setup (distance/x-over) I did. The bad thing is I'm VERY impatient. It's going to drive me nuts watching the rest of you being able to play with Dirac- but I'll be able to see a lot of suggestions from all of your learning curves before starting myself. It kind of feels like getting into the roller-coaster line at Cedar Point when I was a kid. The waiting is difficult, but I know the ride is going to be fun. |
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Post by fbczar on Jul 18, 2020 10:31:39 GMT -5
Will OS X El Capitan work with the new version of Dirac without any problems? I used it with Dirac on my XMC-1 without issue, but have read there were microphone problems in some cases. I have an old laptop that cannot go above El Capitan so a new computer will be in order if El Capitan is a no go.
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Post by piluja on Jul 18, 2020 10:39:46 GMT -5
Hi all I am new here and I am from Spain after evaluating several options I am about to buy an xmc2 and I have some doubts
1 will say with the xmc2 will come with a full version or the version that only calibrates up to 500 Hz as in nad and the full is paid separately?
2 what is the interface box? 3 how about Dirac official with 2 subwoofer without buying Dirรกc bass control?
4 any problem that the xmc2 are giving ??
Thank you
Greetings
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Post by geebo on Jul 18, 2020 10:45:46 GMT -5
No key is needed. Emotiva provides Dirac with a list of codes based on your processor's MAC address. Dirac will run if it sees a valid MAC address. You may have to login to the program the first time you run it with login info you create at the Dirac site. So I was able to get into Dirac to the point it searched for my device, which it was unable to find. I'm guessing it was unable to locate my RMC-1 because: I don't have the pieces of the kit hooked up yet and don't have the newer 2.x Emo firmware installed. It was encouraging that I got to the point where it was looking for the processor. Now I'll just have to be patient and wait for my kit. If I understood Nick correctly the kits are being mailed according to the purchase date and I just got mine a couple weeks ago, so I'm probably near the end of the queue. The good thing is the RMC-1 sounds very good with just the basic speaker setup (distance/x-over) I did. The bad thing is I'm VERY impatient. It's going to drive me nuts watching the rest of you being able to play with Dirac- but I'll be able to see a lot of suggestions from all of your learning curves before starting myself. It kind of feels like getting into the roller-coaster line at Cedar Point when I was a kid. The waiting is difficult, but I know the ride is going to be fun. Before Dirac can connect with your RMC-1 you must have it and the LBB both connected to the same Network. Until you get the LBB and load the 2.0 firmware you won't be able to get any further. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 18, 2020 10:46:40 GMT -5
Will OS X El Capitan work with the new version of Dirac without any problems? I used it with Dirac on my XMC-1 without issue, but have read there were microphone problems in some cases. I have an old laptop that cannot go above El Capitan so a new computer will be in order if El Capitan is a no go. Edit: I mis-remembered the report, High Sierra was tested and worked, not El Capitan. Sorry for the confusion. Edit: So what weโve tried or heard works now includes: macOS Catalina (10.15), Mojave (10.14), High Sierra (10.13), and Windows 10 and 7. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 18, 2020 10:57:35 GMT -5
I'm guessing it was unable to locate my RMC-1 because: I don't have the pieces of the kit hooked up yet and don't have the newer 2.x Emo firmware installed. It was encouraging that I got to the point where it was looking for the processor. Yes you are correct. First the G3P's must have the latest firmware from Emotiva, and the LBB must be ON and connected to the network for the G3P's to have DIRAC enabled (Menu --> Setup --> Speakers --> Preset (1 or 2 depending on where you want the certain DIRAC filter set) --> Dirac Live --> Enable). At this point to go any further, Emotiva must have your processors MAC Address information(Information you provided to Emotiva and in turn Emotiva to DIRAC so they can verify your G3P). Once recognized by the Dirac Live software you'll choose your given mic(EMM-1/UMIK-1/etc) and upload it's calibration file(in my case the UMIK-1 narrow 90deg calibration file), and the rest is quite intuitive by paying attention to the software prompts. |
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Post by fbczar on Jul 18, 2020 10:59:45 GMT -5
Hair Nick reported getting Dirac Live 3 under El Capitan running on an old Mac Pro to work, so even though Dirac doesnโt โsupportโ it, it seems it will be ok. Edit: So what weโve tried or heard works now includes: macOS Catalina (10.15), Mojave (10.14), El Capitan (10.13), and Windows 10 and 7. Thanks for the reply. Anything on Sierra or High Sierra? |
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Post by ttocs on Jul 18, 2020 11:01:02 GMT -5
The one thing they emphasize is that the first measurement must be at the MLP so that Dirac can determine the distance setting for each speaker. I always do this, but I also have tried returning the mic to the first position after all other measurements are complete, and measuring it again. Then I leave the mic in that exact position and do a set of REW measurements after the filters load. I think this gives the best idea how close the actual corrections came to the target curve. Have I messed up the calibration by doing this? Who knows .... eventually I just got really good at getting the mic back to the MLP (with the help of a laser measurer) and got consistent REW measurements without doing the extra round at the end. Currently, with Dirac 3 and the G3Ps, the recommendation is to set your levels at 0 before starting; if you want to do any tweaking at the end, 0 would be what Dirac thinks is level and you can add or subtract from that. Itโs not required to do it this way, but it makes sense to most of the beta team. Edit ... and another use for my new laser! I agree! I was thinking about this last night. Using the laser set up to the side and pointing through the MLP, all you need to do is use a measuring tape to figure out the offset from the laser lines for the mic positions. You just need to eyeball where the center point is, unless you've got a second laser set up at the front wall pointed at the MLP to create an intersection. Another Festivus Miracle! |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 18, 2020 11:01:14 GMT -5
Hi all I am new here and I am from Spain after evaluating several options I am about to buy an xmc2 and I have some doubts 1 will say with the xmc2 will come with a full version or the version that only calibrates up to 500 Hz as in nad and the full is paid separately? 2 what is the interface box? 3 how about Dirac official with 2 subwoofer without buying Dirรกc bass control? 4 any problem that the xmc2 are giving ?? Thank you Greetings First โ read the FAQ in the 3rd post in this thread, most of your questions are answered there. Second, general XMC-2 questions belong in the Owners thread. You donโt have to pay extra for Full Dirac Live. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 18, 2020 11:13:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. Anything on Sierra or High Sierra? <removed> Edit: Apologies fbczar, I mis-remembered Hair Nickโs Post, he reported that High Sierra worked properly, so Sierra and El Capitan are questionable. Iโll edit above as appropriate. |
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Post by stuartves on Jul 18, 2020 12:07:24 GMT -5
There will be a 2.0 release next week since that is the Dirac firmware plus some other stuff. Kits will begin shipping next week starting with the earliest orders first. It will go domestic first and then international in early August. We will be making our way through getting kits out as fast as possible to people but the sheer amount it will take a little time. I purchased my RMC-1 in the UK in March 2019 through Karma AV the UK distributor. Am I assuming correctly that all USA purchased RMC-1's will get the Dirac kits first regardless of when they were purchased? You state that domestic purchased products will take priority before international. Could you please clarify this. Could you also please confirm how international owners get their kits. Do I have to reach out to my UK distributor or will they automatically get in touch with me and send me my Dirac kit? |
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Post by ttocs on Jul 18, 2020 13:12:52 GMT -5
This is purposely off topic.
But I gotta say KUDOS to AudioHTIT for the enormous effort and great wealth of resources within this thread!!
Your efforts are well documented.
Thank You!
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Post by creimes on Jul 18, 2020 13:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by sahmen on Jul 19, 2020 18:06:30 GMT -5
Could someone point me to the place where I can register for my Dirac access? I haven't read much of the forum yet, but I promise to do that later. Thanks.
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