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Post by housetech on Sept 12, 2020 13:43:02 GMT -5
Ok, I give up. How do I get audio from the smart TV (tuner & streaming) to the XMC-1 to play via Toslink?
XMC's ARC does not work. I plan to dump DTV so I must get this corrected.
If I change audio input for HDMI 1, 2, or 3 to toslink then everything is compressed from TV to XMC, right? Doesn't seem like a good idea.
How do I program the XMC to read toslink for TV audio only? Program Optical #1 as an audio input, say #7 on remote for example.
Thx
btw, video board is HDMI 2.0 version.
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 12, 2020 15:47:28 GMT -5
Ok, I give up. How do I get audio from the smart TV (tuner & streaming) to the XMC-1 to play via Toslink? XMC's ARC does not work. I plan to dump DTV so I must get this corrected. If I change audio input for HDMI 1, 2, or 3 to toslink then everything is compressed from TV to XMC, right? Doesn't seem like a good idea. How do I program the XMC to read toslink for TV audio only? Program Optical #1 as an audio input, say #7 on remote for example. Thx btw, video board is HDMI 2.0 version. I have Toslink out to XMC1 and it works but I have little use for it. (No lossless with Toslink). I stream HDMI from A Sony Blu-ray player to the XMC1 and rarely use that Toslink connection (my set is too old) |
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Post by jra on Sept 12, 2020 16:35:23 GMT -5
Ok, I give up. How do I get audio from the smart TV (tuner & streaming) to the XMC-1 to play via Toslink? XMC's ARC does not work. I plan to dump DTV so I must get this corrected. If I change audio input for HDMI 1, 2, or 3 to toslink then everything is compressed from TV to XMC, right? Doesn't seem like a good idea. How do I program the XMC to read toslink for TV audio only? Program Optical #1 as an audio input, say #7 on remote for example. Thx btw, video board is HDMI 2.0 version. The XMC-1 ARC works fine for me. Have you updated to the latest 2.0 board firmware for the XMC-1 ? It fixed some ARC issues for me. In addition, the ARC chip on the XMC-1 can be bad and everything else still works. That happened to one of my XMC-1 units (I have 3). Emotiva fixed it for me of course. Run the self-test diagnostics (sorry, can't remember how to invoke that off the top of my head but if you search in the forum it's easy to find - power on pressing something as I recall) and that will tell you if your ARC chip is bad. Hope this helps ! |
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 12, 2020 16:44:29 GMT -5
CEC TEST
If you're having trouble with CEC and/or ARC there is a simple diagnostic test to verify that CEC on your XMC-1 is working properly.
The XMC-1 does in fact have a single chip which controls most of the CEC functionality - and, if it is defective, it WILL cause the ARC not to work.
HOWEVER, that is NOT the cause of the vast majority of times where CEC fails to work properly with other devices.
The XMC-1 does, however, have a built-in way to test its internal CEC chip.
There is an internal test routine which can be used to confirm that the CEC chip on your XMC-1 is not causing problems.
1) Turn off the POWER to the XMC-1 (preferably using the rear panel power switch).
2) WHILE HOLDING DOWN THE STANDBY BUTTON ON THE FRONT PANEL turn the power to the XMC-1 back on.
3) Let go of the Standby Button as soon as "Front Panel Test menu" appears on the VFD.
4) Press Button 4 - Loopback Tests
5) You will see results displayed on the VFD.
Note the results of the fourth test: CEC Loopback I/O.
If your CEC controller is working properly this test should PASS.
6) Turn the Power Off on the XMC-1 again to exit the test menu.
NOTE:
THESE TEST ROUTINES WERE DESIGNED FOR BOARD LEVEL TEST.
SEVERAL OF THEM WILL (AND SHOULD) FAIL WHEN RUN ON A FULLY ASSEMBLED XMC-1.
SEVERAL OTHERS MAY OR MAY NOT PASS DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION OF YOUR XMC-1.
NOTE *ONLY* THE RESULTS OF THE CEC Loopback Test.
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 12, 2020 17:15:35 GMT -5
In my experience CEC and ARC are the devil twins, getting them to work reliably is very unusual, even when using the same brand name equipment. In my case a Sony BDP, a Sony processor and a Sony TV, the response from Sony was "the CEC/ARC versions are incompatible, buy a later model TV", so I did, I bought a Samsung.
You are chasing a unicorn in trying to get CEC and ARC to work reliably, give up and buy an Apply TV or equivalent, a far superior user interface and no need for the devil twins.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by housetech on Sept 12, 2020 18:08:27 GMT -5
Ok, I give up. How do I get audio from the smart TV (tuner & streaming) to the XMC-1 to play via Toslink? XMC's ARC does not work. I plan to dump DTV so I must get this corrected. If I change audio input for HDMI 1, 2, or 3 to toslink then everything is compressed from TV to XMC, right? Doesn't seem like a good idea. How do I program the XMC to read toslink for TV audio only? Program Optical #1 as an audio input, say #7 on remote for example. Thx btw, video board is HDMI 2.0 version. The XMC-1 ARC works fine for me. Have you updated to the latest 2.0 board firmware for the XMC-1 ? It fixed some ARC issues for me. In addition, the ARC chip on the XMC-1 can be bad and everything else still works. That happened to one of my XMC-1 units (I have 3). Emotiva fixed it for me of course. Run the self-test diagnostics (sorry, can't remember how to invoke that off the top of my head but if you search in the forum it's easy to find - power on pressing something as I recall) and that will tell you if your ARC chip is bad. Hope this helps ! Ah ha, you're the one who has 3 XMC |
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Post by jra on Sept 12, 2020 18:11:52 GMT -5
The XMC-1 ARC works fine for me. Have you updated to the latest 2.0 board firmware for the XMC-1 ? It fixed some ARC issues for me. In addition, the ARC chip on the XMC-1 can be bad and everything else still works. That happened to one of my XMC-1 units (I have 3). Emotiva fixed it for me of course. Run the self-test diagnostics (sorry, can't remember how to invoke that off the top of my head but if you search in the forum it's easy to find - power on pressing something as I recall) and that will tell you if your ARC chip is bad. Hope this helps ! Ah ha, you're the one who has 3 XMC Well I *really* like them. So sue me :-). I keep looking at the XMC-2 and RMC units but I only have at max 5.1 content and if I'm really being picky about the 2 channel performance I run it through the Chord Hugo DAC's. So I haven't really found the need for anything more than the XMC-1's yet. Might upgrade if one dies :-). |
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Post by housetech on Sept 12, 2020 18:16:49 GMT -5
CEC TEST If you're having trouble with CEC and/or ARC there is a simple diagnostic test to verify that CEC on your XMC-1 is working properly. The XMC-1 does in fact have a single chip which controls most of the CEC functionality - and, if it is defective, it WILL cause the ARC not to work. HOWEVER, that is NOT the cause of the vast majority of times where CEC fails to work properly with other devices. The XMC-1 does, however, have a built-in way to test its internal CEC chip. There is an internal test routine which can be used to confirm that the CEC chip on your XMC-1 is not causing problems. 1) Turn off the POWER to the XMC-1 (preferably using the rear panel power switch). 2) WHILE HOLDING DOWN THE STANDBY BUTTON ON THE FRONT PANEL turn the power to the XMC-1 back on. 3) Let go of the Standby Button as soon as "Front Panel Test menu" appears on the VFD. 4) Press Button 4 - Loopback Tests 5) You will see results displayed on the VFD. Note the results of the fourth test: CEC Loopback I/O. If your CEC controller is working properly this test should PASS. 6) Turn the Power Off on the XMC-1 again to exit the test menu. NOTE: THESE TEST ROUTINES WERE DESIGNED FOR BOARD LEVEL TEST. SEVERAL OF THEM WILL (AND SHOULD) FAIL WHEN RUN ON A FULLY ASSEMBLED XMC-1. SEVERAL OTHERS MAY OR MAY NOT PASS DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION OF YOUR XMC-1. NOTE *ONLY* THE RESULTS OF THE CEC Loopback Test. Thank you, Bill The XMC failled all test. That is excellent information, thx again. edit- I have an email to KeithL so I'll wait till then. Hopefully Emo will repair/replace the board. The #1 output has an issue also. Thanks to all of you!!! |
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Post by ttocs on Sept 12, 2020 19:04:45 GMT -5
CEC TEST If you're having trouble with CEC and/or ARC there is a simple diagnostic test to verify that CEC on your XMC-1 is working properly. The XMC-1 does in fact have a single chip which controls most of the CEC functionality - and, if it is defective, it WILL cause the ARC not to work. HOWEVER, that is NOT the cause of the vast majority of times where CEC fails to work properly with other devices. The XMC-1 does, however, have a built-in way to test its internal CEC chip. There is an internal test routine which can be used to confirm that the CEC chip on your XMC-1 is not causing problems. 1) Turn off the POWER to the XMC-1 (preferably using the rear panel power switch). 2) WHILE HOLDING DOWN THE STANDBY BUTTON ON THE FRONT PANEL turn the power to the XMC-1 back on. 3) Let go of the Standby Button as soon as "Front Panel Test menu" appears on the VFD. 4) Press Button 4 - Loopback Tests 5) You will see results displayed on the VFD. Note the results of the fourth test: CEC Loopback I/O. If your CEC controller is working properly this test should PASS. 6) Turn the Power Off on the XMC-1 again to exit the test menu. NOTE: THESE TEST ROUTINES WERE DESIGNED FOR BOARD LEVEL TEST. SEVERAL OF THEM WILL (AND SHOULD) FAIL WHEN RUN ON A FULLY ASSEMBLED XMC-1. SEVERAL OTHERS MAY OR MAY NOT PASS DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION OF YOUR XMC-1. NOTE *ONLY* THE RESULTS OF THE CEC Loopback Test. Thank you, Bill The XMC failled all test. That is excellent information, thx again. edit- I have an email to KeithL so I'll wait till then. Hopefully Emo will repair/replace the board. The #1 output has an issue also. Thanks to all of you!!! I have experience getting a failed result with this test because I didn't wait the prescribed 2 minutes between the steps 3 & 4 shown above. Run the test again. After step 3, set a timer for 2 minutes, THEN do step 4. This test still runs on the current processors - as long as you wait the 2 minutes. Otherwise it's a guaranteed fail. On my XMC-2 if I hit the test right away, all the items fail. If I wait a little over a minute all but the CEC ECC-1 test passes. If I wait the 2 minutes all pass. |
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Post by housetech on Sept 12, 2020 19:22:15 GMT -5
Thank you, Bill The XMC failled all test. That is excellent information, thx again. edit- I have an email to KeithL so I'll wait till then. Hopefully Emo will repair/replace the board. The #1 output has an issue also. Thanks to all of you!!! I have experience getting a failed result with this test because I didn't wait the prescribed 2 minutes between the steps 3 & 4 shown above. Run the test again. After step 3, set a timer for 2 minutes, THEN do step 4. This test still runs on the current processors - as long as you wait the 2 minutes. Otherwise it's a guaranteed fail. On my XMC-2 if I hit the test right away, all the items fail. If I wait a little over a minute all but the CEC test passes. If I wait the 2 minutes all pass. ECC-1 passed, MSP 430 Loopback- failed -ERR:1 PEC loopbacl I/O_ failed |
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Post by ttocs on Sept 12, 2020 19:25:30 GMT -5
oops. Good thing I ran the test again. I remembered wrong as to which one was on the first line. It's the ECC-1 that fails too quick. First photo is after 15 seconds.  This one is after 1:20.  |
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Post by klinemj on Sept 12, 2020 19:56:23 GMT -5
Ok, I give up. How do I get audio from the smart TV (tuner & streaming) to the XMC-1 to play via Toslink? XMC's ARC does not work. I plan to dump DTV so I must get this corrected. If I change audio input for HDMI 1, 2, or 3 to toslink then everything is compressed from TV to XMC, right? Doesn't seem like a good idea. How do I program the XMC to read toslink for TV audio only? Program Optical #1 as an audio input, say #7 on remote for example. Thx btw, video board is HDMI 2.0 version. I've heard so many people having issues with ARC with so many pre-pro's that I would never try it. I use external streamers on every TV. Personally, I use Roku Ultra's and they meet my needs. Each goes HDMI out from the Roku to whatever device I want...my XMC-1 for my theater and my TV's for other rooms. Mark |
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Post by jra on Sept 12, 2020 22:29:52 GMT -5
Ok, I give up. How do I get audio from the smart TV (tuner & streaming) to the XMC-1 to play via Toslink? XMC's ARC does not work. I plan to dump DTV so I must get this corrected. If I change audio input for HDMI 1, 2, or 3 to toslink then everything is compressed from TV to XMC, right? Doesn't seem like a good idea. How do I program the XMC to read toslink for TV audio only? Program Optical #1 as an audio input, say #7 on remote for example. Thx btw, video board is HDMI 2.0 version. I've heard so many people having issues with ARC with so many pre-pro's that I would never try it. I use external streamers on every TV. Personally, I use Roku Ultra's and they meet my needs. Each goes HDMI out from the Roku to whatever device I want...my XMC-1 for my theater and my TV's for other rooms. Mark Well the great thing about ARC/CEC is when it works, it makes it possible for non-technical people to use the system. My wife for example won't touch any system where she can't just press "on" on the TV remote and then have all the amps/XMC etc. turn on for her. She uses the TV remote to control the volume, and doesn't have to worry about anything more than that. I still have the 4x6" card on which I wrote down the instructions for how to select different things on the XMC to use the SONOS/DVD/media player etc. It was a disaster :-). After many, many bitter arguments ("Why are *your* systems *SO* hard to use :-) it's a reminder that convenience is still king for most people. |
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Post by markc on Sept 13, 2020 4:01:32 GMT -5
In my experience CEC and ARC are the devil twins, getting them to work reliably is very unusual, even when using the same brand name equipment. In my case a Sony BDP, a Sony processor and a Sony TV, the response from Sony was "the CEC/ARC versions are incompatible, buy a later model TV", so I did, I bought a Samsung. You are chasing a unicorn in trying to get CEC and ARC to work reliably, give up and buy an Apply TV or equivalent, a far superior user interface and no need for the devil twins. Cheers Gary This isn't strictly true - many of us have this working in our systems. I agree it is very equipment dependent because the rules governing it's implementation were not robust enough from the outset - just the different names that manufacturers use to refer to it is evidence enough. Mine has worked reliably since 2015 on both XMC-1 and XMC-2 with a 2010 Samsung LED, 2015 LG OLED and now my 2019 Samsung QLED. It just never falters and I don't need to re-sync or do anything to get it to work. I would suggest that if users desire or require the functions they should certainly give it a try and google their particular devices for settings if required. Disclaimer - I only use ARC and volume control. I use Harmony to more flexibly turn appliances on/off or select inputs as I want to control it, not some AI that thinks it needs the display just because it's on! Edit: and now I see that a faulty chip in the XMC-1 is the cause of the poster's woes, so that just backs up my argument to give CEC's functions a go, as it is not always the protocol that is at fault. |
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Post by klinemj on Sept 13, 2020 7:01:46 GMT -5
I've heard so many people having issues with ARC with so many pre-pro's that I would never try it. I use external streamers on every TV. Personally, I use Roku Ultra's and they meet my needs. Each goes HDMI out from the Roku to whatever device I want...my XMC-1 for my theater and my TV's for other rooms. Mark Well the great thing about ARC/CEC is when it works, it makes it possible for non-technical people to use the system. My wife for example won't touch any system where she can't just press "on" on the TV remote and then have all the amps/XMC etc. turn on for her. She uses the TV remote to control the volume, and doesn't have to worry about anything more than that. I still have the 4x6" card on which I wrote down the instructions for how to select different things on the XMC to use the SONOS/DVD/media player etc. It was a disaster :-). After many, many bitter arguments ("Why are *your* systems *SO* hard to use :-) it's a reminder that convenience is still king for most people. That's why I have a Harmony remote...press one button and it's on (starting on TV input)...click one or another button to watch a bluray or listen to music. It even makes it easier for me to use, and my nephews who rarely visit have used it since they were 10. Mark |
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Post by 405x5 on Sept 13, 2020 10:04:52 GMT -5
CEC TEST If you're having trouble with CEC and/or ARC there is a simple diagnostic test to verify that CEC on your XMC-1 is working properly. The XMC-1 does in fact have a single chip which controls most of the CEC functionality - and, if it is defective, it WILL cause the ARC not to work. HOWEVER, that is NOT the cause of the vast majority of times where CEC fails to work properly with other devices. The XMC-1 does, however, have a built-in way to test its internal CEC chip. There is an internal test routine which can be used to confirm that the CEC chip on your XMC-1 is not causing problems. 1) Turn off the POWER to the XMC-1 (preferably using the rear panel power switch). 2) WHILE HOLDING DOWN THE STANDBY BUTTON ON THE FRONT PANEL turn the power to the XMC-1 back on. 3) Let go of the Standby Button as soon as "Front Panel Test menu" appears on the VFD. 4) Press Button 4 - Loopback Tests 5) You will see results displayed on the VFD. Note the results of the fourth test: CEC Loopback I/O. If your CEC controller is working properly this test should PASS. 6) Turn the Power Off on the XMC-1 again to exit the test menu. NOTE: THESE TEST ROUTINES WERE DESIGNED FOR BOARD LEVEL TEST. SEVERAL OF THEM WILL (AND SHOULD) FAIL WHEN RUN ON A FULLY ASSEMBLED XMC-1. SEVERAL OTHERS MAY OR MAY NOT PASS DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION OF YOUR XMC-1. NOTE *ONLY* THE RESULTS OF THE CEC Loopback Test. Thank you, Bill The XMC failled all test. That is excellent information, thx again. edit- I have an email to KeithL so I'll wait till then. Hopefully Emo will repair/replace the board. The #1 output has an issue also. Thanks to all of you!!! You’re Welcome! The CEC test was originally posted by Keith....(I just knew where to find it!) Bill |
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Post by housetech on Sept 13, 2020 11:28:56 GMT -5
The new TV is a 2020 Sony XBR X900H65 that's gotten great reviews of how well it's built and functions. The few criticisms are kinda 'nit-picky', thus my decision. The android section has also gotten good reviews.
Have I read any reviews about CEC ARC functions, no. I would think someone would have mentioned ARC as a problem or is everyone avoiding the ARC issue? When troubleshooting the internal "Help" Sony states their receivers work but other than specific models, they state a few obvious issues to check, nothing more. The whole idea of getting a new TV was to downsize the equipment rack of equipment. The other issue was XMC HDMI switching was supposed to improve with a new TV- it has improved some. I've used other pre/pros, receivers that are faster. There is a new Sony firmware update coming & e-ARC was suppose to be a big improvement. HDMI ARC was supposed to correct HDMI handshaking. The primary function of ARC is sending audio signals both “upstream” and “downstream” over a single connection, meaning signals can travel in and out of a device over a single HDMI ARC port. Emo 2.0 board is supposed to work, it doesn't for everyone, just another rabbit hole they sent me down. REMEMBER Emotiva said the XMC was a "modular design & future proof".
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Post by housetech on Sept 13, 2020 13:16:11 GMT -5
I decided on a workaround- HDMI #7 using Toslink. Yesterday it only played stereo. I did some rewiring, routing & powered down everything & today optical is playing surround with OTA stations.
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Post by jra on Sept 13, 2020 20:49:07 GMT -5
The new TV is a 2020 Sony XBR X900H65 that's gotten great reviews of how well it's built and functions. The few criticisms are kinda 'nit-picky', thus my decision. The android section has also gotten good reviews. Have I read any reviews about CEC ARC functions, no. I would think someone would have mentioned ARC as a problem or is everyone avoiding the ARC issue? When troubleshooting the internal "Help" Sony states their receivers work but other than specific models, they state a few obvious issues to check, nothing more. The whole idea of getting a new TV was to downsize the equipment rack of equipment. The other issue was XMC HDMI switching was supposed to improve with a new TV- it has improved some. I've used other pre/pros, receivers that are faster. There is a new Sony firmware update coming & e-ARC was suppose to be a big improvement. HDMI ARC was supposed to correct HDMI handshaking. The primary function of ARC is sending audio signals both “upstream” and “downstream” over a single connection, meaning signals can travel in and out of a device over a single HDMI ARC port. Emo 2.0 board is supposed to work, it doesn't for everyone, just another rabbit hole they sent me down. REMEMBER Emotiva said the XMC was a "modular design & future proof". I think you're being rather unfair. I think the XMC-1 was a good design and an attempt to be "future proof". Unfortunately the vagaries of A/V protocols and technology mean that's just about impossible. That and the fact that you have two competing standard DTS:X vs Atmos which are patented (I assume) up the wazoo and deliberately change to try and screw each other out of compatibility with each other's implementations means "future proof" is a hard row to hoe. I'm willing to give Emotiva the benefit of the doubt here and am pretty sure they did the best they possibly could to make those words true. The upgrade offer for XMC-1 -> RMC/XMC-2 is *incredibly* generous - try another AV company and see if they are willing to significantly discount their latest model in return for an older one. Personally, as I said I'm pretty happy with my XMC-1's. Probably will upgrade at some point, but right now I don't see the need. |
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