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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 4, 2020 15:47:40 GMT -5
I had some posts in this thread below. Not sure if people still check that thread. Besides, my topic has been more about subwoofers the past few weeks, and not what the original post was about. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/57757/airmotiv-6s-b1?page=4&scrollTo=1057056I have the SVS PB-2000 Pro. I wanted to try a bigger sub, while on my trial period with SVS. I have had the Hsu VTF-3 for a few weeks. After almost two weeks of tech support with Hsu, and having the amp replaced, we can't figure out why I'm getting low output. Even after the amp replacement. We tried several different setting changes. And I can barely tell it's on, when I'm 2-3 feet away. It moves, but there's little output. I'm sending it back. Hopefully they figure something out. I could still be doing something wrong, but if I am, we can't figure out what. I'm trying the same settings on the receiver from the SVS PB, to the Hsu, and no matter what adjustments I make, I can feel output a few feet away with the SVS PB, but not with the Hsu. Meanwhile, I still want to try one 15" subwoofer before my trial with the SVS PB 2000 Pro ends. I am thinking about the PSA V1512DF. |
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Post by pallpoul on Dec 4, 2020 19:17:07 GMT -5
IMO, Using only one subwoofer, is like using one speaker only for your fronts. I have 2 SVS SB 2000'S, and they really fill my 600+ sq open floor room with plenty of bass, that is articulate and tight, but punchy when needed. I use it for HT, and stereo duties. I suggest what ever you choose, to get a pair of it.
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 4, 2020 19:40:16 GMT -5
Thanks.
I'm not trying to fill the whole room though. I just want it as best as I can where my big couch is (I have 3 couches).
I don't care as much about the other spots, because other people rarely sit there. And those that might, they don't care about audio quality like I do. Nor do they care about subwoofers.
How many cubic feet is your room?
I did start with the SVS SB 2000 Pro, but had wanted a little more.
I also don't have much more space in this room. Between 3 couches; a 52" coffee table; a sliding door; fireplace, TV, computer, there's not much room left.
So that's why I'm just focused on my big couch, and what I want to hear, in that spot.
I have high ceilings, that slope upwards, starting from 8 feet, to about 14 feet I think.
I think I'm almost where I want it with the SVS PB 2000 Pro, hence why I'm trying one more sub with a 15" driver.
These subs are also a pain to move around, even with furniture sliders. And I want something that can easily be turned off.
I did buy a wireless remote control outlet, but I'm not going to set it up until I've finalized my sub.
If I had 2 subs, reaching to the back of them, in different parts of the room, would get annoying, without this remote control outlet.
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Post by pallpoul on Dec 5, 2020 8:08:27 GMT -5
The thing about sub, for me, is to set them and forget them, so using the remote, while it's handy, is not necessary. I have a good 25#24 # 9 foot room, and for the space, the dual svs sb 2000 do a very nice job, ant not too boomy, or walls shaking sound, as i tend to listen at low to moderate levels. trust me, 2 sb subs is all what you need, it beats a single larger sub config. any day.
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 5, 2020 17:02:13 GMT -5
The thing about sub, for me, is to set them and forget them, so using the remote, while it's handy, is not necessary. I have a good 25#24 # 9 foot room, and for the space, the dual svs sb 2000 do a very nice job, ant not too boomy, or walls shaking sound, as i tend to listen at low to moderate levels. trust me, 2 sb subs is all what you need, it beats a single larger sub config. any day. I like to be able to turn the power off on devices when I'm not using them. So either I have to use that remote control outlet, or I have to go to each one and turn it off. |
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Post by ttocs on Dec 5, 2020 17:22:37 GMT -5
After almost two weeks of tech support with Hsu, and having the amp replaced, we can't figure out why I'm getting low output. Even after the amp replacement. We tried several different setting changes. And I can barely tell it's on, when I'm 2-3 feet away. It moves, but there's little output. I'm sending it back. Hopefully they figure something out. I could still be doing something wrong, but if I am, we can't figure out what. I'm trying the same settings on the receiver from the SVS PB, to the Hsu, and no matter what adjustments I make, I can feel output a few feet away with the SVS PB, but not with the Hsu. Can you post a photo of the amp on the Hsu please? I'd like to see the settings and connections. Is the Hsu the only sub operating? If you play pink noise or a tone through the Hsu only - everything else is off, and while walking around the room, do you hear a difference? |
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 5, 2020 17:47:31 GMT -5
After almost two weeks of tech support with Hsu, and having the amp replaced, we can't figure out why I'm getting low output. Even after the amp replacement. We tried several different setting changes. And I can barely tell it's on, when I'm 2-3 feet away. It moves, but there's little output. I'm sending it back. Hopefully they figure something out. I could still be doing something wrong, but if I am, we can't figure out what. I'm trying the same settings on the receiver from the SVS PB, to the Hsu, and no matter what adjustments I make, I can feel output a few feet away with the SVS PB, but not with the Hsu. Can you post a photo of the amp on the Hsu please? I'd like to see the settings and connections. Is the Hsu the only sub operating? If you play pink noise or a tone through the Hsu only - everything else is off, and while walking around the room, do you hear a difference? When I connect a sub, I only connect one at a time. So either the SVS PB 2000 Pro is connected, or the Hsu VTF-3 is connected.
How do I turn the other speakers off, with a Yamaha receiver? I only see settings for small or large, for example, for them.
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Post by ttocs on Dec 5, 2020 19:27:20 GMT -5
Can you post a photo of the amp on the Hsu please? I'd like to see the settings and connections. Is the Hsu the only sub operating? If you play pink noise or a tone through the Hsu only - everything else is off, and while walking around the room, do you hear a difference? When I connect a sub, I only connect one at a time. So either the SVS PB 2000 Pro is connected, or the Hsu VTF-3 is connected. How do I turn the other speakers off, with a Yamaha receiver? I only see settings for small or large, for example, for them. Pics:
I see, with a receiver it's probably not possible to shut down specific channels. The best you could hope for is to setup for only Left and Right main speakers set as Small plus the sub, then disconnect the Left/Right speakers. Ok, so what I see in the photo is a RCA connector that has a shroud around the metal ground, am I seeing this correctly? If so, try a cheap RCA cable that has a totally exposed ground. My thinking is that your cable might be like some AudioQuest cables I have that limit the insertion depth with the nice looking but totally non-functional shroud. This example has a shroud that limits the insertion depth.  This one has a more exposed ground and is not limited be a shroud so it can be inserted completely.  Might be worth a look to see if the cable is "getting in there", so to speak. When I use one of my AQ cables the volume is almost nothing, until I pull the shroud back to expose more of the ground terminal. |
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Post by daveczski65 on Dec 5, 2020 19:37:21 GMT -5
I had some posts in this thread below. Not sure if people still check that thread. Besides, my topic has been more about subwoofers the past few weeks, and not what the original post was about. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/57757/airmotiv-6s-b1?page=4&scrollTo=1057056I have the SVS PB-2000 Pro. I wanted to try a bigger sub, while on my trial period with SVS. I have had the Hsu VTF-3 for a few weeks. After almost two weeks of tech support with Hsu, and having the amp replaced, we can't figure out why I'm getting low output. Even after the amp replacement. We tried several different setting changes. And I can barely tell it's on, when I'm 2-3 feet away. It moves, but there's little output. I'm sending it back. Hopefully they figure something out. I could still be doing something wrong, but if I am, we can't figure out what. I'm trying the same settings on the receiver from the SVS PB, to the Hsu, and no matter what adjustments I make, I can feel output a few feet away with the SVS PB, but not with the Hsu. Meanwhile, I still want to try one 15" subwoofer before my trial with the SVS PB 2000 Pro ends. I am thinking about the PSA V1512DF. I have 2 PSA XV15s luv them,will shake the sh** out of my apartment when I want,they are about 5yrs old. Both are on the front in between my tektons. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 5, 2020 19:39:28 GMT -5
What model PSA? Can you link to it?
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 5, 2020 19:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 5, 2020 19:41:38 GMT -5
When I connect a sub, I only connect one at a time. So either the SVS PB 2000 Pro is connected, or the Hsu VTF-3 is connected. How do I turn the other speakers off, with a Yamaha receiver? I only see settings for small or large, for example, for them. Pics:
I see, with a receiver it's probably not possible to shut down specific channels. The best you could hope for is to setup for only Left and Right main speakers set as Small plus the sub, then disconnect the Left/Right speakers. Ok, so what I see in the photo is a RCA connector that has a shroud around the metal ground, am I seeing this correctly? If so, try a cheap RCA cable that has a totally exposed ground. My thinking is that your cable might be like some AudioQuest cables I have that limit the insertion depth with the nice looking but totally non-functional shroud. This example has a shroud that limits the insertion depth. This one has a more exposed ground and is not limited be a shroud so it can be inserted completely. Might be worth a look to see if the cable is "getting in there", so to speak. When I use one of my AQ cables the volume is almost nothing, until I pull the shroud back to expose more of the ground terminal. I'll try one more cable, tonight. I'll have to move the sub a bit, to be closer to the receiver. Which is not where I really want it, but if it works, then the solution might be just to get a 15 foot cable like that. |
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Post by daveczski65 on Dec 5, 2020 19:42:52 GMT -5
Yea they are,,the updated ones are the V1512DF I belive. And they are about twice what I paided back then. Paided 850.per sub |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 5, 2020 22:55:54 GMT -5
IMO, Using only one subwoofer, is like using one speaker only for your fronts. I have 2 SVS SB 2000'S, and they really fill my 600+ sq open floor room with plenty of bass, that is articulate and tight, but punchy when needed. I use it for HT, and stereo duties. I suggest what ever you choose, to get a pair of it. You’ve spent no time with the Velodyne HGS 18...that’s for sure! Bill |
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 5, 2020 23:58:34 GMT -5
I see, with a receiver it's probably not possible to shut down specific channels. The best you could hope for is to setup for only Left and Right main speakers set as Small plus the sub, then disconnect the Left/Right speakers. Ok, so what I see in the photo is a RCA connector that has a shroud around the metal ground, am I seeing this correctly? If so, try a cheap RCA cable that has a totally exposed ground. My thinking is that your cable might be like some AudioQuest cables I have that limit the insertion depth with the nice looking but totally non-functional shroud. This example has a shroud that limits the insertion depth. This one has a more exposed ground and is not limited be a shroud so it can be inserted completely. Might be worth a look to see if the cable is "getting in there", so to speak. When I use one of my AQ cables the volume is almost nothing, until I pull the shroud back to expose more of the ground terminal. I'll try one more cable, tonight. I'll have to move the sub a bit, to be closer to the receiver. Which is not where I really want it, but if it works, then the solution might be just to get a 15 foot cable like that. I just tried a cable that looked like the above. I had to move the sub next to the receiver.
Still not any better. And to compare, I connected the same cable to the SVS PB 2000 Pro. There was still a big difference.
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Post by ttocs on Dec 6, 2020 0:25:39 GMT -5
I'll try one more cable, tonight. I'll have to move the sub a bit, to be closer to the receiver. Which is not where I really want it, but if it works, then the solution might be just to get a 15 foot cable like that. I just tried a cable that looked like the above. I had to move the sub next to the receiver. Still not any better. And to compare, I connected the same cable to the SVS PB 2000 Pro. There was still a big difference.
Too bad. It's good to rule out the cable, but still stumped on the real cause of the problem. Try connecting from a Speaker Output to the Speaker Input on the sub. Any zip cord will work. And if it's easier to connect to a speaker, it's the same difference as back of the receiver. Maybe it's the driver? I assume you've played with the Phase to rule out cancellation? Try an SPL meter right up to the driver, see what it picks up. |
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 6, 2020 0:34:51 GMT -5
I just tried a cable that looked like the above. I had to move the sub next to the receiver. Still not any better. And to compare, I connected the same cable to the SVS PB 2000 Pro. There was still a big difference.
Too bad. It's good to rule out the cable, but still stumped on the real cause of the problem. Try connecting from a Speaker Output to the Speaker Input on the sub. Any zip cord will work. And if it's easier to connect to a speaker, it's the same difference as back of the receiver. Maybe it's the driver? I assume you've played with the Phase to rule out cancellation? Try an SPL meter right up to the driver, see what it picks up. I also tried from my PC to the sub, using my sound card's sub out.
I can't hear bass, no matter what I do, even with the SVS. When I am in the sound test in Windows 10, I hear bass. When I play something, I don't hear it. But, I don't want to get diverted. I do want to use a sub with my PC too, but my first priority is to pick a sub that I like best with my receiver, and settle on that.
Yes, I tried the phase settings.
I also have a Zoom H2N digital recorder. I monitored the sound levels. With the Hsu, it barely moved. With the SVS PB, it moved some, close to -32. But at least there was something.
I've spent about 15 hours over the past 2 weeks, trying things, and that might not include the time on the phone with Hsu.
I also almost did 2 stupid things, while moving these heavy subs, about an hour ago.
I'll be done when all this is over.
I think I want to try the 15" PSA, hopefully that at least works, then I can make a decision.
Just to put things in a different manner, when I try the Hsu, it barely sounds any better than 6" woofers on normal full range speakers, even when I'm 2-3 feet away. I take the same settings, put the same cable in the SVS PB 2000 Pro, and I can at least tell that it's doing something, 3 feet away.
Ultimately my goal is to get a little better from my couch spot.
If I move the volume on the Hsu past 12 o clock, I hear too much rattling, without any output either.
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Post by ttocs on Dec 6, 2020 1:00:57 GMT -5
Then I'd be thinking about a mismatch of receiver output impedance and subwoofer input impedance, this is one reason to try the Speaker Level input on the HSU Sub. The speaker would need to be set as Large in the processor, this makes the signal full range.
Which Yamaha receiver do you have, and which output is connected to the subwoofer?
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 6, 2020 15:47:21 GMT -5
Then I'd be thinking about a mismatch of receiver output impedance and subwoofer input impedance, this is one reason to try the Speaker Level input on the HSU Sub. The speaker would need to be set as Large in the processor, this makes the signal full range. Which Yamaha receiver do you have, and which output is connected to the subwoofer? I have the TSR-700.
I'm using a RCA cable on the subwoofer out on the receiver. It's the same output on the receiver I use to connect to the SVS sub. (Both SVSs I tried, the SB 2000 Pro and the PB 2000 Pro).
What type of cable would I need to connect from subwoofer out to speaker level? I don't have much time to order another cable online. I already asked Hsu to create a return label.
And if I order the PSA, I want to do it tonight so it can ship tomorrow.
This should be a 15 foot cable I can find at Best Buy today.
So if you can find such a 15 foot cable at Best Buy, and link to it, then I can see if it's in stock.
Thanks for your suggestions and your time.
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Post by nuraman00 on Dec 6, 2020 15:55:06 GMT -5
I'm still relatively new to receivers, having only gotten one in October.
But the way I've used them with subs, is to use the sub out on the receiver, to the LFE in on the sub, using a RCA cable. This worked for the two SVS subs.
And according to the instructions from Hsu, this was the way to do it too. Plus during the tech support with Hsu, this was also how they said to connect it. So they said it was the right way.
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