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Post by Clyde on Dec 19, 2020 13:17:59 GMT -5
Not sure where to post this so trying here. I have an XMC-1 with a turntable connected to analog in. I also have a media PC connected via onboard HDMI out to the XMC-1 via one of the HDMI inputs. Is it possible to make digital recordings of vinyl using this setup? If not, would switching the HTPC from an HDMI input to the second HDMI output on the XMC-1 be a viable option. Trying to avoid adding any additional hardware to the mix. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 19, 2020 22:33:30 GMT -5
No phono preamp??
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Post by DavidR on Dec 20, 2020 10:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by Clyde on Dec 20, 2020 19:48:32 GMT -5
The relatively inexpensive Denon turntable I have connected to the XMC-1 has it's own built in pre-amp, so I didn't need to add one between the two. Yes, the Behringer would be a simple solution and just bypass the XMC-1 completely but the XMC-1 is mounted in a rack so I'd like to just keep the turntable plugged in to it. Plus, and maybe I'm wrong, but I assume the analog to digital conversion in the XMC-1 is superior. The more I look at the question, I'm thinking that if I add to the PC a sound card that has a coax or optical digital input and run a cable from the digital out of the XMC-1 into the PC I will be able to record the XMC-1 digital out to the PC.
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Post by Clyde on Dec 20, 2020 20:09:00 GMT -5
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Post by SteveH on Dec 20, 2020 20:59:34 GMT -5
I just started digitizing my albums, but I have the Emotiva XPS-1 phono preamp, so I go straight from the preamp to my computer. Everything I have read says to digitize your vinyl using at least 24 bit/96kHz. The card you show should work just fine. I upgrade my sound card to record 24 bit/192kHz and it was 100% plug and play, I didn't have to anything. Digitizing vinyl takes a heck of a lot longer than ripping CDs at x20, haha.
I have been using VinylStudio to record my albums and it works very well. I purchased the pro version because it does things that the lesser tier won't do, but you wish it did.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 21, 2020 5:18:40 GMT -5
The relatively inexpensive Denon turntable I have connected to the XMC-1 has it's own built in pre-amp, so I didn't need to add one between the two. Yes, the Behringer would be a simple solution and just bypass the XMC-1 completely but the XMC-1 is mounted in a rack so I'd like to just keep the turntable plugged in to it. Plus, and maybe I'm wrong, but I assume the analog to digital conversion in the XMC-1 is superior. The more I look at the question, I'm thinking that if I add to the PC a sound card that has a coax or optical digital input and run a cable from the digital out of the XMC-1 into the PC I will be able to record the XMC-1 digital out to the PC. If your PC has a stereo analog input, you could use a stereo RCA to 3.5mm TRS cable to go from the XMC Tape Out to the PC. I used to do that with my XMC-1, but the new processors don’t have a tape out. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 21, 2020 9:16:41 GMT -5
... I have been using VinylStudio to record my albums and it works very well. I purchased the pro version because it does things that the lesser tier won't do, but you wish it did. I use and like VinylStudio as well, but haven’t seen the ‘Pro’ version, I’ll have to check out its features. |
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Post by 405x5 on Dec 21, 2020 10:01:43 GMT -5
The relatively inexpensive Denon turntable I have connected to the XMC-1 has it's own built in pre-amp, so I didn't need to add one between the two. Yes, the Behringer would be a simple solution and just bypass the XMC-1 completely but the XMC-1 is mounted in a rack so I'd like to just keep the turntable plugged in to it. Plus, and maybe I'm wrong, but I assume the analog to digital conversion in the XMC-1 is superior. The more I look at the question, I'm thinking that if I add to the PC a sound card that has a coax or optical digital input and run a cable from the digital out of the XMC-1 into the PC I will be able to record the XMC-1 digital out to the PC. Regarding your turntable, the preamp built in is a very interesting bit of info. I’ve been away from using records for the longest time. That being said having a turntable with its own preamp built in makes perfect sense (unusual these days) and yet for all of the years I’ve been an audio enthusiast, I’ve never heard of such a thing! Bill |
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Post by markc on Dec 21, 2020 14:00:00 GMT -5
Personally I love those LP vinyl rips that are all over the internet and capture the vinyl sound in 32 bit 192MHz.
I joke! Just give me the Digital Masters.
(Which were used to generate the vinyl masters after corrupting the sound to adapt to the Vinyl carriers frequency shortcomings, converted to analog, imprinted on warm plastic etc etc etc!)
Rubbish in, rubbish carrier system, through a rubbish convoluted transposing and connecting system to get it back into a digital approximation of the vinyl's cracks, pops, wow and flutter abberations all provides for rubbish out!
The output is nothing like the original digital master.
If you prefer a corrupted version of the original or think you can do it better than a professional in a studio then good luck to you, but I would question the unquestionable corruption of the audio signal
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Post by Clyde on Dec 21, 2020 14:35:59 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for the suggestions and advice. I thought about just using the analog out on the XMC-1 to the PC but then I have to rely on the PC for the analog to digital conversion which probably isn't as good as the XMC-1. Markc, I'm with you on the sentiment and agree I don't have the time, knowledge, or ears to make any improvements. My main reason for looking in to this is that I have some limited release record store day vinyl that I want to rip without scouring the internet for someone else's copy. Also have some old vinyl bootlegs that I might play with. Last, I have a couple of newer albums that came with digital downloads that I play in the car. I prefer the sound of the vinyl copies so thought I would rip and few and get the analog sound on the road. This Bob Mould record on my office setup is one example where my digital copy sounds a little harsh.  |
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Post by SteveH on Dec 21, 2020 16:30:11 GMT -5
The Pro version allows you to manually repair clicks, which works very nice. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 21, 2020 18:44:42 GMT -5
The Pro version allows you to manually repair clicks, which works very nice. Ah yes, makes sense. I remember when SAE released a box to do that in the late 70’s, I’d bet this is much better. |
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Post by housetech on Dec 21, 2020 20:45:37 GMT -5
Clyde, use the Berringer David suggested (& beat me to it) It's cheap.
Audacity (GREAT free program) will work perfectly with the Berringer.
Phono > Berringer > USB > PC Audacity.
You will need to record each song as a file, then file to an album folder.
I did it years ago, just make sure you have a TALL glass, it's time consuming.
Good luck.
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Post by Ex_Vintage on Dec 21, 2020 23:26:58 GMT -5
Personally I love those LP vinyl rips that are all over the internet and capture the vinyl sound in 32 bit 192MHz. I joke! Just give me the Digital Masters. (Which were used to generate the vinyl masters after corrupting the sound to adapt to the Vinyl carriers frequency shortcomings, converted to analog, imprinted on warm plastic etc etc etc!) Rubbish in, rubbish carrier system, through a rubbish convoluted transposing and connecting system to get it back into a digital approximation of the vinyl's cracks, pops, wow and flutter abberations all provides for rubbish out! The output is nothing like the original digital master. If you prefer a corrupted version of the original or think you can do it better than a professional in a studio then good luck to you, but I would question the unquestionable corruption of the audio signal HOWEVER. I have some old records that I have not been able to find in a digital format. I have a Sony TT that has phono / line output with a built in A/D converter. I have ripped many albums to my digital library and they turn out quite good (as good as CD quality). Granted, if the vinyl is crap, the digital form is crap, but if the vinyl is still in good shape, the converted .wav files are quite good. I prefer to have all the music I have to be available to my streamer, so digital form is definitely preferred. I have lost the desire to sit and flip albums, but with no other choice, a good conversion definitely gets the job done. |
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