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Post by assy74 on Jan 13, 2021 13:46:33 GMT -5
The big man talked about a possible New monoblokk with 1kw.....
Any News regarding that?
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Post by geebo on Jan 13, 2021 13:50:27 GMT -5
The big man talked about a possible New monoblokk with 1kw..... Any News regarding that? The DR-1 delivers 1,000 watts into 4 ohms. |
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Post by assy74 on Jan 13, 2021 14:06:20 GMT -5
He talked about 1kw in 8 ohms..... Like the xpr1.
He said it in a podcast or something over a year ago.....
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Post by davidl81 on Jan 13, 2021 18:52:15 GMT -5
I think it was a hypothetical. Dan was wondering how many people would be interested in something like that, for a cost that one would assume would be close to double the DR-1.
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Post by leonski on Jan 13, 2021 20:44:41 GMT -5
For a PAIR you'd need a minimum of a 20 amp service dedicated to the amps.
The question of just who needs it would be next up. Not even my panels need that kind of power.
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Post by stiehl11 on Jan 13, 2021 21:03:16 GMT -5
He talked about 1kw in 8 ohms..... Like the xpr1. He said it in a podcast or something over a year ago..... A lot has happened in the world over the last year; especially with Covid. |
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Post by Lsc on Jan 13, 2021 21:44:11 GMT -5
If this monoblock has a toroidal transformer, I’d be interested in having 2 of them run my L/R. 20 amp lines are easy to run in my basement so that’s not an issue. Issue is if the amp is a light weight (physically) amp with a switching transformer I’m not interested. I’m just old school and I don’t think I need to change my stance in this lifetime (maybe my kids will have fewer options but they probably will stick to their air pods anyway).  |
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Post by leonski on Jan 13, 2021 23:56:42 GMT -5
If this monoblock has a toroidal transformer, I’d be interested in having 2 of them run my L/R. 20 amp lines are easy to run in my basement so that’s not an issue. Issue is if the amp is a light weight (physically) amp with a switching transformer I’m not interested. I’m just old school and I don’t think I need to change my stance in this lifetime (maybe my kids will have fewer options but they probably will stick to their air pods anyway). 1kw mono with a conventional PS would have to weigh at least 70lb. Proper heat sinking for the large number of output devices would be part of it as would your required torroid. That would be MINIMUM and not designed to meet FTC 1/3 power for an hour spec. It could be done by sacrificing high bias and trying to run the amp 'cooler'.. Parasound JC-1 of 'only' 400 watts goes over 60lb and is a high-bias design. FIrst power is in 'A'. This is a mono amp Pass Labs X250.8 is a stereo amp of 250x2 and goes an even 100lb. It has 56 output devices Per Channel. Power of consumption runs to 450 watts. The Pass is an A/B amp. As you can see, physics argues against having High Power, Low weight, Cool running and high efficiency ALL in one package. Ridding the amp of the Linear PS and going switcher makes OTHER compromises necessary. I for one have no need for such power. If someone offered to give me whatever I wanted? A pair of Pass Labs XA30.5 would be on my shopping list. Available on the pre-loved market. |
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Post by Lsc on Jan 14, 2021 2:12:16 GMT -5
1kw mono with a conventional PS would have to weigh at least 70lb. Proper heat sinking for the large number of output devices would be part of it as would your required torroid. That would be MINIMUM and not designed to meet FTC 1/3 power for an hour spec. It could be done by sacrificing high bias and trying to run the amp 'cooler'.. Parasound JC-1 of 'only' 400 watts goes over 60lb and is a high-bias design. FIrst power is in 'A'. This is a mono amp Pass Labs X250.8 is a stereo amp of 250x2 and goes an even 100lb. It has 56 output devices Per Channel. Power of consumption runs to 450 watts. The Pass is an A/B amp. As you can see, physics argues against having High Power, Low weight, Cool running and high efficiency ALL in one package. Ridding the amp of the Linear PS and going switcher makes OTHER compromises necessary. I for one have no need for such power. If someone offered to give me whatever I wanted? A pair of Pass Labs XA30.5 would be on my shopping list. Available on the pre-loved market. Yes I’d rather have a heavier amp vs a lighter amp if all things are equal. The amp usually moves once when I bring it home so an amp’s weight is not a deterrent. I also don’t have the need for that much power but who really needs that much power right? If these monoblocks make my speakers sound like the Salons and is reasonably priced, that would be amazing. Obviously they would need to sound better than my ATI 4003 which is quite an overachiever. My 4003 sounds better than any amp I’ve owned previously. But seriously, I doubt this amp is coming and it probably won’t be a big seller so it’s neither here nor there. |
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Jan 14, 2021 6:45:49 GMT -5
I have a pair of DR1s pushing a pair of Maggie 3.7is. I really can't imagine needing more power than this. I think a 1kw amps would be for large Wilsons or other behemoth speakers which is a very limited market. Its also a market that doesn't probably search for value amplifiers to match with their $100K speakers.
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 14, 2021 8:39:29 GMT -5
For a PAIR you'd need a minimum of a 20 amp service dedicated to the amps. The question of just who needs it would be next up. Not even my panels need that kind of power. Yes those days are long gone as you hint |
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Post by leonski on Jan 14, 2021 13:24:23 GMT -5
I have a pair of DR1s pushing a pair of Maggie 3.7is. I really can't imagine needing more power than this. I think a 1kw amps would be for large Wilsons or other behemoth speakers which is a very limited market. Its also a market that doesn't probably search for value amplifiers to match with their $100K speakers. 'size' of speaker and 'sensitivity' are 2 different things. The proposed huge mono amps would be for the Least sensitive speakers in larger rooms and at the highest levels. Certainly, as you say, not an everyday occurrance..... |
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 14, 2021 13:36:43 GMT -5
Nothing new either....1000@8ohm I ran in 1988
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Post by audiobill on Jan 14, 2021 14:29:32 GMT -5
I theorize that most of those that "need" such power have damaged hearing requiring it......
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Post by leonski on Jan 14, 2021 14:36:20 GMT -5
I theorize that most of those that "need" such power have damaged hearing requiring it...... I've been to a couple big shows over the years. I'm always surprised at the number of 'audiophiles' who are wearing Hearing Aids...... No Joke..... If you've never been to such a show, as soon as feasible, you should attend. And pay particular attention to the Demographics of those attending. FEW women. FEW young persons. Mostly MALES from 40 years on UP. I was an attendant at a room and saw who came in for a soda and some chat. Here on the West Coast, we also get a fair share of ASIAN attendees. These ARE a younger crowd and frequently bring girl friends and buddies. Audiophilia at that level clearly follows the money. I couldn't pass the physical. |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 14, 2021 14:44:53 GMT -5
Are the hearing aids analog or digital lol!
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Post by leonski on Jan 14, 2021 16:29:53 GMT -5
The Focal Grand Utopia ((( goes over 580lb and stands over 6 1/2 feet TALL. Sensitivity listed at 94db 1watt / 1meter.
The claims? Can use a 1.5kw amp. OUCH!
I don't think I could get ONE of 'em in my 'Lament. Might take a real pickup truck or van. And certainly some kind of MONDO amp.....
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 14, 2021 17:24:32 GMT -5
The Focal Grand Utopia ((( goes over 580lb and stands over 6 1/2 feet TALL. Sensitivity listed at 94db 1watt / 1meter. The claims? Can use a 1.5kw amp. OUCH! I don't think I could get ONE of 'em in my 'Lament. Might take a real pickup truck or van. And certainly some kind of MONDO amp..... When I ran those high power channels (starting in 1988), it was all simply part of the learning experience. I never used half of what I had but owning them was the best way to figure out where the “good” ended and the “bad” took over. Later, I figured out that most of that horsepower needed to translate into subwoofers and relatively speaking only a fraction of it for the rest. Bill |
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Post by assy74 on Jan 15, 2021 0:21:13 GMT -5
I am always hearing that there is No need for extra power..... That you Will hear No difference. Sorry But that is bullshit!
If you have a set of speakers and you put ON, Just for giving a illustration.
A Macintosh 611 which have 600w and then compare it to a Macintosh 1.25kw monoblokk, then you Will hear a difference. Everything Will sound better, my opinion anyway.....
Did we need the xpr1 with 1000w i 8 ohm..... Hell yes we Did.
Size does matter People say 😁
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Post by leonski on Jan 15, 2021 1:55:57 GMT -5
The difference between what most would consider a pretty robust 600 watts and 1.2kw is only 3db.
You could get the 'equivelent' power boost by finding speakers of about 3db higher sensitivity.....at least IF you liked them as well.
You'll need 20 amp circuits for those huge MC amps, too.
Don't forget that at the 'dawn' of high end, maybe late 50s or so, the Big Box speakers, like Altec (voice of the theater) the Klipschorn, and maybe Bozak would all put you in the hospital
with 10 watts or less.
Than came solid state, and around that time AR (Acoustic Research) AR speakers became very popular. I really wanted the AR3a very badly for a while. But was essentially a broke kid.
I know I'm playing fast and loose with the timeline, but you get the idea.
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