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Post by nuraman00 on Jan 23, 2021 3:56:03 GMT -5
The reason I'm asking these questions, is this.
I hear sub audio during test but not when playing something in Windows.
When I do the sound test, and I put my mouse over the sub in that diagram, I hear output. At the appropriate sound level.
When I play actual audio, like a CD or digital file, I barely hear the subwoofer. I can feel it moving, but it doesn't do much.
Also, one thing that has always seemed weird, with my sound settings, is that the master volume for my speakers is usually between 6 - 10. 8 or 10, out of 100, is loud enough to fill the room. I rarely put it past 10/100.
This is in Windows 10.
I don't know if that's related to the sub volume or not. If it's loud enough for my powered speakers, I would hope it's good enough for my sub.
I've had these speakers since 2016, so I'm used to them.
The test tones during this SupremeFX setup (or the native Windows test setup) seem fine. I hear sounds at the proper volumes, for both the powered speakers, and the sub.
But when I play something, I barely hear the sub.
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 14, 2021 18:23:54 GMT -5
I tried playing content that was in 5.1. I still barely hear my subwoofer when its connected to my PC.
Also, to clarify, whether I'm playing 5.1 content or regular music, I do feel my subwoofer moving when it's connected to my PC. It just barely produces sound.
I can verify that I am playing the 5.1 content correctly, because if I change my audio output device to my receiver (and connect the subwoofer to my receiver, instead of my PC), then the subwoofer sounds like it should.
Sorry for the long delay in responding. I had put this on hold for a while, to concentrate on other things.
But now I'm back, and I hope to figure out how to get my sub to produce output, and not just move, when connected to my PC.
I haven't tried calling Asus yet, since they made my motherboard. Maybe next weekend.
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 14, 2021 18:27:00 GMT -5
I do think the fact that my Airmotiv 6s volume is set at 6/100 or 8/100, through my device speakers in windows settings, and yet that is still loud enough to fill the room, might have something to do with it.
Maybe if I were to increase that volume, then I'd also hear more sub.
However, I can't realistically do that, because a 10/100 or 12/100 is too loud, from my Airmotiv 6s.
The other thing that contradicts this, is that when I play the test tones, then the subwoofer sounds loud.
So that might mean that I don't really need to change the master volume.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 15, 2021 14:34:38 GMT -5
Maybe this relates maybe not as I have a pair or Airmotive 4’s and a 100 watt 12” sub woofer (non ported, small volume enclosure) in my home office driven by a BigEgo DAC from a MacMini. The volumes on the Airmotives are set at around 2 o’clock, say 65%, and for normal listening the master volume on the Mac is around 50% (that utilises the resister ladder volume control in the Ego) whilst the volume in Music is always at 100% (because it is a digital volume control). I adjust the sub amp volume to blend in with the Airmotives, it is mostly set at around 10 o’clock, say 30%. FWIW sub amp has a non adjustable low pass filter that limits above around 100 hz.
Based on my experiences above I’d suggest turning down the volume controls on the Airmotives enough such that you can utilise decent volume control (say 40% to 60%) in Windows. Then blend the sub woofer in using its volume control.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 20, 2021 22:53:26 GMT -5
Maybe this relates maybe not as I have a pair or Airmotive 4’s and a 100 watt 12” sub woofer (non ported, small volume enclosure) in my home office driven by a BigEgo DAC from a MacMini. The volumes on the Airmotives are set at around 2 o’clock, say 65%, and for normal listening the master volume on the Mac is around 50% (that utilises the resister ladder volume control in the Ego) whilst the volume in Music is always at 100% (because it is a digital volume control). I adjust the sub amp volume to blend in with the Airmotives, it is mostly set at around 10 o’clock, say 30%. FWIW sub amp has a non adjustable low pass filter that limits above around 100 hz. Based on my experiences above I’d suggest turning down the volume controls on the Airmotives enough such that you can utilise decent volume control (say 40% to 60%) in Windows. Then blend the sub woofer in using its volume control. Cheers Gary Thanks. There is no volume control the Airmotiv 6s though.
Here's the manual:
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 21, 2021 0:57:08 GMT -5
Ah, 6s not 6's which I have. what does #7 level trim do?
Cheers
Gary
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 21, 2021 1:11:52 GMT -5
Ah, 6s not 6's which I have. what does #7 level trim do? Cheers Gary Wow, that sucks that the 4s has volume control built onto the units, but not the 6s.
I got the 6s because I wanted larger units, and I love the sound.
Where do you set the volume on the 4s to 2'o clock?
The back of the 4s looks like the 6s:
As for the #7 trim level, I've never figured that out. I tried it right now, doesn't seem to do much. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a button or dial. I tried turning the rubber part, I can't tell much difference in sound.
It looks like yours has it too, from the pictures in the link above?
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 21, 2021 1:36:22 GMT -5
I have both 4’s and 6’s, the 4’s are in my home office and 6’s are currently on loan to a friend (with my USP-1), my daughter also has a pair of 4’s. I have the 4’s set to the same volume as the 6’s at around 2 o’clock.
I’m glad I bought the 4’s and the 6’s before they dropped the volume control on the S versions.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 21, 2021 1:41:12 GMT -5
I have both 4’s and 6’s, the 4’s are in my home office and 6’s are currently on loan to a friend (with my USP-1), my daughter also has a pair of 4’s. I have the 4’s set to the same volume as the 6’s at around 2 o’clock. I’m glad I bought the 4’s and the 6’s before they dropped the volume control on the S versions. Cheers Gary Oh, I didn't realize there were different versions. An older one (without the s), which had volume control.
And the newer one, with the s, that didn't have volume control.
Can you post a picture of the back of yours?
What's a USP-1?
And do you have any more suggestions as to what I can do, for the problem in this thread?
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 21, 2021 19:54:30 GMT -5
Not mine. these are US version (110 volts) mine are Australian version (230 volts), otherwise the same;   A USP-1 is a stereo pre amp, the lower level version of the XSP-1. It was the first Emotiva product I owned;  Cheers Gary |
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 21, 2021 20:03:05 GMT -5
Thanks.
While I like the look of mine, I like the look of your model even more, with the chrome outline.
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Post by nuraman00 on Mar 21, 2021 20:04:46 GMT -5
And I just realized I forgot to call Asus this weekend. Maybe next weekend.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 21, 2021 20:09:34 GMT -5
On the "what can you do question"? You could try a pair of attenuators, fixed ones or a variable passive pre amp like an Emotiva Control Freak. That will enable you to "turn down" the volume on the 6S's whilst maintaining the volume of the sub woofer. If you are using RCA interconnects, then something like the Rothwell brand, they come in a multiple of attenuations, 3 db, 6 db, 10 db, 15 db, 20 db etc. Of course the trick is knowing how much attenuation you need.  If you are using XLR (balanced interconnects) then you could use a variable (microphone) attenuator. They are available from your local pro audio shop.  Until recently Emotiva made a variable attenuator (passive pre amp) called a Control Freak in 2 versions, one with XLR connections and one with RCA connections. They are discontinued but pop up on the Emporium from time to time.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 22, 2021 7:35:25 GMT -5
There is no Level Trim button.
What you're looking at is a little rubber plug...
Under the plug is a hole where you can access a screwdriver-turn adjustment.
It's also worth noting that you are not supposed to hear a subwoofer as a distinct sound source. (It should simply fill in the missing very low frequencies.) So, when listening to music, you're not supposed to specifically notice the sub. (But you should notice that something is missing if you turn it off.)
Ah, 6s not 6's which I have. what does #7 level trim do? Cheers Gary |
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Post by nuraman00 on Apr 28, 2021 1:42:32 GMT -5
On the "what can you do question"? You could try a pair of attenuators, fixed ones or a variable passive pre amp like an Emotiva Control Freak. That will enable you to "turn down" the volume on the 6S's whilst maintaining the volume of the sub woofer. If you are using RCA interconnects, then something like the Rothwell brand, they come in a multiple of attenuations, 3 db, 6 db, 10 db, 15 db, 20 db etc. Of course the trick is knowing how much attenuation you need. If you are using XLR (balanced interconnects) then you could use a variable (microphone) attenuator. They are available from your local pro audio shop. Until recently Emotiva made a variable attenuator (passive pre amp) called a Control Freak in 2 versions, one with XLR connections and one with RCA connections. They are discontinued but pop up on the Emporium from time to time. Cheers Gary There is no Level Trim button.
What you're looking at is a little rubber plug...
Under the plug is a hole where you can access a screwdriver-turn adjustment.
It's also worth noting that you are not supposed to hear a subwoofer as a distinct sound source. (It should simply fill in the missing very low frequencies.) So, when listening to music, you're not supposed to specifically notice the sub. (But you should notice that something is missing if you turn it off.)
Ah, 6s not 6's which I have. what does #7 level trim do? Cheers Gary With configuration I've described above, the sub sounds off, and the low frequencies sound missing.
Is there another device like the Control Freak 2, that is actively produced?
And can someone explain how I'd make the connections, between my PC, the device, my speakers, and sub? Would I also use this device to turn down the volume, so it doesn't sound too loud when my PC volume is at 10/100 or 12/100?
I see what you mean about the rubber plug now. I haven't tried adjusting that yet, I might try it soon.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 28, 2021 16:57:53 GMT -5
My connection is;
MacMini -------> BigEgo -----using the headphones output ------> Airmotive 4's (volume set at 2 O'clock)
BigEgo -----Using the speaker output -----> subwoofer amp (with high pass filter at ~90HZ) -------> 10" subwoofer sealed enclosure
The headphones volume output is controlled by the resister ladder in the BigEgo which is set using the master volume on the MacMini (around 50% to 60%). The Apple Music volume is digital so I have that at 100% always.
The subwoofer volume is controlled by the volume control on the sub woofer amp (set at around 10 o'clock)
I blended the sub woofer in by ear over a few days them confirmed with REW.
Cheers
Gary
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