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Post by assy74 on Feb 19, 2021 19:14:09 GMT -5
I am at verge to change my set in my cinema......
Have a xpr5, and thinking about switching it out.
Just compared my dr2 against it, cuz thaught maybe a dr set UP would be better.....
But I think the xpr5 was slighly better than dr2 in 2 ch music in my system!
Xpr5 is warmer and more smooth in the highs, dr2 more clinical....
So I am not sure it Will be a upgrade with a dr set UP 😫
Is the dr1 way better than dr2?
IT has to be for an upgrade towards xpr5.....
This also bringes in Ati 6005.....
Or maybe anthem str....
Any thaught?
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Post by assy74 on Feb 19, 2021 19:16:22 GMT -5
My processor is yamaha cx5200 at the moment.... It switched out xmc1.
Rmc1L is obviously in my sight as well......
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Post by leonski on Feb 20, 2021 2:24:46 GMT -5
You are on the verge of figureing out.....a NO expense....when an 'upgrade' is not really and 'upgrade'......But rather a move to the side.
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Post by Lsc on Feb 20, 2021 9:58:46 GMT -5
I am at verge to change my set in my cinema...... Have a xpr5, and thinking about switching it out. Just compared my dr2 against it, cuz thaught maybe a dr set UP would be better..... But I think the xpr5 was slighly better than dr2 in 2 ch music in my system! Xpr5 is warmer and more smooth in the highs, dr2 more clinical.... So I am not sure it Will be a upgrade with a dr set UP 😫 Is the dr1 way better than dr2? IT has to be for an upgrade towards xpr5..... This also bringes in Ati 6005..... Or maybe anthem str.... Any thaught? The ATI is in another class so that would definitely be an upgrade. I had the XPR5, it’s a great amp so I am not surprised. |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 20, 2021 10:25:43 GMT -5
Is the dr1 way better than dr2? Nope. Will be similar in how the differences are very subtle, similar to what you noticed between the XPR-5 and DR2. |
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Post by leonski on Feb 20, 2021 14:45:50 GMT -5
Differences in speaker will apparetnly dominate the differences in amplifier in the case of DR1 / DR2.
And as for ATI? Sure....they have a fan base. But they are not the only entries which may be considered an Upgrade for some.
You can't name a brand which doesn't have a fan-base. And that' applies across the $$$ spectrum. For ME? If I could afford to, I'd get a PAIR of last generation
Pass Labs XA30.5 stereo amps. At about 30x2 class 'A' watts per channel the amp has nearly 6db dynmaic range to the tune of almost 120x2 into 8 and around 200x2 into 4.....
Quite enough for my panels. Add an active crossover and I'd be golden.
but so MANY amps to choose from, many of which have enough merit to be on the list.
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Post by assy74 on Feb 21, 2021 11:06:28 GMT -5
Looks like I am going to pull the trigger ON a anthem str amp. It is 2 ch, so can use the 5 ch from xpr5 ON the center and surrounds. And the fronts get the anthem. It is 400w 8 ohms as well c, ")
Second hand so can sell for same price if I dont get me happy......
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Post by assy74 on Feb 21, 2021 11:08:16 GMT -5
If I only could get my hands ON a couple of xpr1's...... That would have settled it!
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Post by leonski on Feb 21, 2021 14:01:56 GMT -5
If I only could get my hands ON a couple of xpr1's...... That would have settled it! I almost hate to ask....but what speakers do you have that warrant that kind of power? Any idea what the sensitivity is of them? |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 21, 2021 15:11:52 GMT -5
If I only could get my hands ON a couple of xpr1's...... That would have settled it! Well, I think it may be a pretty high risk gamble... if the amp goes bad, it’s a heavy paperweight since Emotiva hasn’t serviced these amps for quite some time now. |
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Post by leonski on Feb 21, 2021 20:47:38 GMT -5
If I only could get my hands ON a couple of xpr1's...... That would have settled it! Well, I think it may be a pretty high risk gamble... if the amp goes bad, it’s a heavy paperweight since Emotiva hasn’t serviced these amps for quite some time now. Will EMO part with a Sketch-O-Matic? And how difficult would the parts be to find? With the exception, of course, of the circuit boards. I'd say ALL the electronic stuff should be findable. One exception? Possibly the output devices might be tough.... Weren't they Darlington pairs? Getting service won't be cheap....and perhaps not easy, unless you hook up to the right guy. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 21, 2021 21:00:46 GMT -5
Well, I think it may be a pretty high risk gamble... if the amp goes bad, it’s a heavy paperweight since Emotiva hasn’t serviced these amps for quite some time now. Will EMO part with a Sketch-O-Matic? And how difficult would the parts be to find? With the exception, of course, of the circuit boards. I'd say ALL the electronic stuff should be findable. One exception? Possibly the output devices might be tough.... Weren't they Darlington pairs? Getting service won't be cheap....and perhaps not easy, unless you hook up to the right guy. My buddy had an XPR2 that he tried to fix. Emotiva gave him the schematics for a local repair center. They diagnosed the problem to a part which was part of the front plate that is no longer carried. He ended up selling it for parts. So, real life example, not theory here. Also among the two buddies and me, we had 8 XPR amps. 3 XPR1, 3 XPR2 and 2 XPR5. 5 out of the 8 amps were repaired under warranty and 1 was repaired twice. Lucky for me, both my amps didn’t require any repairs so you can imagine how my buddies felt since 5 out of 6 amps went bad. Our amp make up is much different now. My one buddy leads the way with research...so we have 5 ATI signature amps in the mix now. I have one Sherbourn amp that I bought used for my surround/ceiling speakers that I’ll probably repurpose to another room once I get more channels for my ATI amp. None of us will buy anything that won’t be serviceable down the road. We are not into buying “disposable” audio gear. We spend way too much of our hard earned dollars for that. |
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Post by leonski on Feb 22, 2021 14:04:48 GMT -5
Will EMO part with a Sketch-O-Matic? And how difficult would the parts be to find? With the exception, of course, of the circuit boards. I'd say ALL the electronic stuff should be findable. One exception? Possibly the output devices might be tough.... Weren't they Darlington pairs? Getting service won't be cheap....and perhaps not easy, unless you hook up to the right guy. My buddy had an XPR2 that he tried to fix. Emotiva gave him the schematics for a local repair center. They diagnosed the problem to a part which was part of the front plate that is no longer carried. He ended up selling it for parts. So, real life example, not theory here. Also among the two buddies and me, we had 8 XPR amps. 3 XPR1, 3 XPR2 and 2 XPR5. 5 out of the 8 amps were repaired under warranty and 1 was repaired twice. Lucky for me, both my amps didn’t require any repairs so you can imagine how my buddies felt since 5 out of 6 amps went bad. Our amp make up is much different now. My one buddy leads the way with research...so we have 5 ATI signature amps in the mix now. I have one Sherbourn amp that I bought used for my surround/ceiling speakers that I’ll probably repurpose to another room once I get more channels for my ATI amp. None of us will buy anything that won’t be serviceable down the road. We are not into buying “disposable” audio gear. We spend way too much of our hard earned dollars for that. You make a TERRIFIC point. Fixable is nearly as important as original purchase price. Support COUNTS. Proprietary is the enemy is some cases since it is difficult to ' buy a part' from most manufacturers unless you have 'connections'. What part failed that couldn't be improvised? I recently fixed a ceiling fan remote. The switches were some form of conductive (silicon?) rubber and had worn out. I replaced the rubber pads with microswitches wired to a new panel. I used the original circuit board which was still perfect. 6 switches later and a bunch of fabrication and it works better than new...and I'll never have to 'deoxit' the contacts which was always temporary. NO SUPPORT from fan or remote maker. Fan people buy remote / receiver from a maker of this stuff. Fan company? HUNTER had never heard of the model number I read them from the top panel of the fan. NEVER HEARD OF IT. No more will I buy from THEM. Did any of your searching extend beyond ATI? NAD? Parasound? Outlaw? |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 22, 2021 14:34:17 GMT -5
Traditionally amplifiers have been stable products. Usually if there is a failure or issue, the parts are readily available and repair can be done. The problem comes in when an amp
has a proprietary part that you can't buy form Mouser or some other parts supplier.
Some higher end companies will service your amp for decades to come if they still carry an inventory of parts. Mcintosh comes to mind. Though even they have stopped carrying parts for 50 year
old components.
I've got a friend who bought Mc components in the 70's and 80's and had the wherewithal to purchase some spare parts such as spare pots, knobs, front glass, etc. Alot of this stuff is no longer
made. Even Mcintosh never thought you would keep it that long!
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Post by leonski on Feb 22, 2021 16:43:01 GMT -5
Resistors / capacitors and many semiconductors are available. But just try to find a circuit board after a serious incident.
cawgijoe has a very good point but ot close the loop you need to recognize that all that Future Support....needed or not.....costs UP FRONT.
A company that has a stable line which only slowly changes may be in a better position than a company with a new product line every 6 month....like the Japanese HT receiver folks. If they wanted to support a DECADE worth of product,
they'd need a warehouse the size of Kansas.
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Post by Lsc on Feb 22, 2021 17:29:50 GMT -5
You make a TERRIFIC point. Fixable is nearly as important as original purchase price. Support COUNTS. Proprietary is the enemy is some cases since it is difficult to ' buy a part' from most manufacturers unless you have 'connections'. What part failed that couldn't be improvised? I recently fixed a ceiling fan remote. The switches were some form of conductive (silicon?) rubber and had worn out. I replaced the rubber pads with microswitches wired to a new panel. I used the original circuit board which was still perfect. 6 switches later and a bunch of fabrication and it works better than new...and I'll never have to 'deoxit' the contacts which was always temporary. NO SUPPORT from fan or remote maker. Fan people buy remote / receiver from a maker of this stuff. Fan company? HUNTER had never heard of the model number I read them from the top panel of the fan. NEVER HEARD OF IT. No more will I buy from THEM. Did any of your searching extend beyond ATI? NAD? Parasound? Outlaw? I just want to clarify one thing. When I had the the XPR5 and the XPR2 for the 5+ trouble free years, I thoroughly enjoyed these amps. My system at the time which was all Emotiva- XMC1 and XPR2/XPR5, it met my needs for the front end and then some. When I heard that Emotiva was no longer servicing the amps, I made the hard decision to part with them. I really did not want to sell them. I also sold the XMC1 in anticipation of the XMC2. Something I regretted when they announced the XMC1 to the XMC2 program. One of my buddies did a in-home trial of the Parasound A31. He said it was clearly inferior to the XPR2. I was looking at both the Outlaw 7220 and the Monoprice amps but I had a feeling that it wasn’t an upgrade over the XPR2/XPR5 combo. By this time my other buddy bought the ATI 4005 and was raving about them. He said it was clearly better than the XPR2 (I agree) but vs the XPR1 - it was a close call. Given my budget and the fact that I had bought the Sherbourn amp second hand, I initially bought the 4003 to power my best 3 speakers, then when an opportunity came for me to get the 6003, I decided to buy the amp I should have bought in the first place. Instead of selling the 4003, I’m going to send it in to make it a 4006/4007 but right now they power my side surrounds (Revel F12). So fully balanced for 5 channels for now and hopefully 7 or 9 in the future. |
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Post by leonski on Feb 22, 2021 19:54:18 GMT -5
At least ONE guy around here went to the Parasound A31 and loves it. Latest issue from Parasound (at a price bump) includes a '+' in the name and slightly more power. In fairness? I just read a review (itself an unknown) and the reviewer was lookng at KLIPSCH Forte IV (a month or so old?) with the Parasound HINT6 and did NOT like the result.
Maybe your friend should have tested the A21? Or even what John Atkinson uses....the JC-1 from Parasound? And presumabley HE can get access to darn near anythging that plugs in.....
Different listeners value different things. I, for example, grew TIRED of a well regarded 'D' amp from PSAudio. Using the ASP modules. Something in the HF was just wrong. What I did, going to Parasound WAS in the end an 'upgrade' while I have slightly less power (about 3db) my system will actually play louder. Go Figure?
My panels are demandinding in a way somewhat different than box speakers, or even 'Stats. Very low sensitivity and a single plane of wave 'launch' so good 4ohm power is nice as is very wide amp bandwidth to prevent phase issues. Look at the 10khz square wave response for an idea.
Emjoy your ATI amps. Keep in mind that I've heard They build amps for Outlaw. Is that true?
Other amps are on the 'potential' list, but I know how that goes. Even IF I drove all the way to LA (100 miles EACH way?) I still might not be able to audition what I was interested in. Or have to stay OVERNITE in a hotel to see everything. It could be an expensive trip!
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 22, 2021 20:22:52 GMT -5
By this time my other buddy bought the ATI 4005 and was raving about them. He said it was clearly better than the XPR2 (I agree) but vs the XPR1 - it was a close call. Someday you'll have to try the Monoprice amps as they are made by ATI for them. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 22, 2021 21:39:49 GMT -5
At least ONE guy around here went to the Parasound A31 and loves it. Latest issue from Parasound (at a price bump) includes a '+' in the name and slightly more power. In fairness? I just read a review (itself an unknown) and the reviewer was lookng at KLIPSCH Forte IV (a month or so old?) with the Parasound HINT6 and did NOT like the result. Maybe your friend should have tested the A21? Or even what John Atkinson uses....the JC-1 from Parasound? And presumabley HE can get access to darn near anythging that plugs in..... Different listeners value different things. I, for example, grew TIRED of a well regarded 'D' amp from PSAudio. Using the ASP modules. Something in the HF was just wrong. What I did, going to Parasound WAS in the end an 'upgrade' while I have slightly less power (about 3db) my system will actually play louder. Go Figure? My panels are demandinding in a way somewhat different than box speakers, or even 'Stats. Very low sensitivity and a single plane of wave 'launch' so good 4ohm power is nice as is very wide amp bandwidth to prevent phase issues. Look at the 10khz square wave response for an idea. Emjoy your ATI amps. Keep in mind that I've heard They build amps for Outlaw. Is that true? Other amps are on the 'potential' list, but I know how that goes. Even IF I drove all the way to LA (100 miles EACH way?) I still might not be able to audition what I was interested in. Or have to stay OVERNITE in a hotel to see everything. It could be an expensive trip! Just because my buddy felt the A31 was inferior to the XPR2 doesn’t make the Parasound a bad amplifier. No matter what anyone says, the XPR2/XPR5 I had were outstanding amps and were amazing “bargains” performance wise. He was thinking of getting the JC1 as well among many other amps like the Simaudio. I’m aware of the variety of companies that ATI oem’s including Outlaw and Monoprice which is why I was thinking about getting them. It doesn’t mean the Monoprice amps are the same quality as the ATI signatures but if they are then more power to those who bought the Monoprice. Everyone has their opinions and goals. I added the Monoprice to the cart several times before getting the 4003. For my system these ATIs are clearly superior to the XPR2, the 6003 by a “large” margin - this is my personal opinion and my definition of large might mean minuscule for someone else. And I don’t see myself replacing these amps anytime soon - these are as good an amp as I’ll ever need. Especially with the 6003, the dynamics and control is something I never expected in my system. I have other goals for my disposable income like obtaining the C8 Corvette lol. So, I’m close to the end of this high end audio game. With my declining hearing, it doesn’t make sense to try to improve my system a lot more.  |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 22, 2021 21:43:35 GMT -5
By this time my other buddy bought the ATI 4005 and was raving about them. He said it was clearly better than the XPR2 (I agree) but vs the XPR1 - it was a close call. Someday you'll have to try the Monoprice amps as they are made by ATI for them. I’m set on amps so probably not for me. But others who own Emotiva amps, I think the Monoprice is a good alternative among other brands. |
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