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Post by audiobill on Apr 18, 2021 16:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by kauai82 on Apr 18, 2021 20:02:07 GMT -5
However I don't think CD will vanish. Used CD players that are mid priced to high end have stabilized and gone up in the last few months. I am sure my Granddaughter will think their cool when she is in her early teens. She is five years old now !
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Post by teaman on Apr 18, 2021 21:34:54 GMT -5
I'll never give up my CDs, I think they sound much better than any streaming I have tried. Not to mention half the music I want to hear isn't even available in most streaming catalogs.
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 19, 2021 11:08:33 GMT -5
I'll never give up my CDs, I think they sound much better than any streaming I have tried. Not to mention half the music I want to hear isn't even available in most streaming catalogs. I’m with you! I care NOTHING about predictions about such things dire, or otherwise.....and I embrace the physical DISC for both music and film. Only last week, I had an infuriating experience with a crook on line that duped me into a “bait and switch” Digital download that was supposed to be a Blu-ray Disc. PayPal smelled the RAT a mile away and got me a 💯 percent refund. This is not THE reason; simply another. Bill |
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Post by 26gary26 on Apr 19, 2021 11:47:09 GMT -5
I like making my own CD'S for road trips. Radio quality just isnt there for me. Of course a really nice stereo car stereo system really adds to the sound of the music.
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Post by rbk123 on Apr 19, 2021 11:49:50 GMT -5
Pretty sure Keith didn't predict streaming would die, nor that CD would rise from the ashes. Rather he just reiterates his own personal preference of owning CD's vs. streaming.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 19, 2021 16:26:25 GMT -5
I'll continue to buy CDs and rip them to my digital library for most of my music (as long as they're available) for a few reasons. I find CDs the sweet spot for quality vs cost, often new CDs can be found for less than $10, and rarely over $15 -- HiRez formats start around $15 (typically a bit higher), and might not sound any better (to me) depending on the production. While not as easy to read as LPs, I do enjoy the physical package for album and artist info. I can rip, curate, and sync my library between Macs, iPhones & iPads using just Apple software (my preference).
Most importantly, a large part of the year (4-5 months) I need to be able to play my music without Internet access (skiing, driving in remote locations), so during these times streaming is not an option. While I do stream, it's mostly to preview new or unheard music, or to put on a channel and let someone else make the selections. I prefer UHD BRD too, though stream video content more often. I won't be celebrating the death of the physical format.
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Apr 19, 2021 16:29:28 GMT -5
I prefer to maintain a CD collection (and even add to it from time to time) over streaming for one big reason - I'm then NOT dependent upon an internet connection and some website's fickle administrator. And I'm certain that the hard drives that store my downloaded music will someday 'roll over and spread their legs' (so to speak!) without warning!
So yeah, I always want to own the physical media whenever possible...
Blu-ray HD uncompressed audio would be my ultimate media preference, but sadly little music is available that way. 😩
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Post by JKCashin on Apr 19, 2021 17:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by Cogito on Apr 19, 2021 20:28:57 GMT -5
I already have all my favorite music on CDs, but haven't played one in at least a year. Streaming has allowed me to discover tons of new music, it sounds great and is convenient as hell. Physical formats are certainly going the way of the Dodo.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:43:53 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 19, 2021 21:43:53 GMT -5
That’s an excellent read Jim! (blog) you’ve put IT to the test more than most it appears....very impressive. I enjoy both forms of media and should be careful not to give the impression that one “wins out” over the other. Physical media wins out for me purely in terms of ownership however streaming is a revelation for me in terms of exploring all of those artists that are floating around in my brain from decades of experience and being involved with music as a musician. The YouTube collection is exhaustive....though quality can vary greatly the substance often wins over fidelity. Bill |
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Post by bluemeanies on Apr 21, 2021 4:17:52 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks. Variety being the spice of life has raised its head on this post. I still have CDs but rarely drop them in my Oppo. I enjoy streaming both for sound quality and the music catalog with all genres. The quality of streaming has improved over the years and I will bet that the difference between cd and streaming is very subtle..if noticeable at all. The interested in the pass had a wall when it came to bandwidth but has overcome this in the last decade.
When you get down to it..it's like everything else in this hobby everyone has an opinion.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Apr 21, 2021 13:33:42 GMT -5
You know I'm a Roon evangelist. When I buy a new CD, I immediately rip it in FLAC on my PC, copy the data to my Roon NUC server, and enjoy it from there.
I tried Qobuz for a month, but their catalog stinks (for me) compared to Tidal. Love the Tidal catalog, but they're started to muck things up and publish their discs in MQA, which I don't like (I don't have anything capable of unfolding MQA data, and have no intention of buying anything).
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Post by JKCashin on Apr 21, 2021 22:54:18 GMT -5
That’s an excellent read Jim! (blog) you’ve put IT to the test more than most it appears....very impressive. I enjoy both forms of media and should be careful not to give the impression that one “wins out” over the other. Physical media wins out for me purely in terms of ownership however streaming is a revelation for me in terms of exploring all of those artists that are floating around in my brain from decades of experience and being involved with music as a musician. The YouTube collection is exhaustive....though quality can vary greatly the substance often wins over fidelity. Bill Thanks. Since writing that article I have switched back to physical media, with a twist. All my music is ripped to my Plex media server now, and I can play it, uncompressed, from anywhere. It's gloriouis. I also have a proper 4K Blu Ray player and have been collecting Blu-Rays now. Sigh. I feel so old. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 21, 2021 23:02:20 GMT -5
... I also have a proper 4K Blu Ray player and have been collecting Blu-Rays now. Sigh. I feel so old.It’s ok, you can probably write in longhand too! 🙂 |
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Post by dust770 on Apr 22, 2021 1:16:20 GMT -5
For a while now I've felt sound and media in general are going backwards. Quality has dropped for the sake of convenience and profits. I remember being excited for MP3 players and then realizing how terrible 128 bitrate music sounded on my first Phillips MP3 player. I upped it to 256 and it helped but now my device barley held any music. Eventually I got an iPod with a bigger hard drive but it still limited to 328. I had all these CD ripped in as lossless format but couldn't listen to all the music I had payed for. iTunes music felt like a rip off to me because I was paying the same price for low quality bitrates 128- which later upgraded to 256 for free. But if you took the same music and put in a cd there was no comparison.
Then comes along Bluetooth in our car stereos and headphones and we lose even more quality. I remember running out to buy my first pair of wireless headphones and was so underwhelmed I took them back the next day. No volume, tinny sounding and no bass. That was years ago. Fast forward to today and I though I'd give it another go. Bought a pair of Sony Bluetooth headphones a few months back and same thing. Tinny, low volume and flat sounding. For $186 those went right back as well, my $40 Sony wired headphones spanked them in their sleep.
In comes video streaming services.
Never mind they rely on your internet connection so heavily that user to user can be a drastically different (even today) experience, but then all the sudden now we go back in time 10yrs to dolby freaking digital 5.1. Dolby digital 5.1 was on my first ever DVD purchase of the movie Babe in 1998! And to top it off the buffering was terrible for a few years as my internet was not up to par.
I will say the picture quality has drastically improved with streaming over the years and so has my internet, which is now at 100 mb, but take a movie that looks great on my living room tv and play it on my projector in the theater room and the dark areas always have very obvious digital boxes in them. Don't even get me started on the sound. Movies on disc that blow me away at -10 on my XMC-1 with loads of clarity and dynamic range are still flat at reference level.
And Hulu on the Apple TV comes through in 2.0 stereo! That's right you heard me correct, stereo sound, which was first available around 45 years ago on VHS was the default audio on Hulu for Apple TV.
And of course music streaming services.
I tried Apple Music two separate times with a free trial. Once when it first came out and once a few months back. I tried it solely to find new music as it states it scans your music library and your selected music preferences to suggest new music to you. Yet every week all I got suggested was hip hop/rap. Now that's fine if you like hip hop but I don't do rap or country and I may have 20 olschool hip hop/rap songs out of 5,000 in my library and I certainly didn't select this genre as a preference. I selected rock, hard rock, classical, soundtracks et.c. I think in my two trails of 6 mos I found 2-3 new songs.
Make no mistake these companies have no interest in providing you with quality music. What they want is for you to be locked into a subscription model where you are so used to paying them $10-$15 a month that you don't even notice it anymore. Kind of like Netflix I was so used to paying for it for the last 15 yrs it just seemed like an expected bill. I finally sat down and realized they have been pumping out some real trash lately and I need to treat them like HBO or Showtime and only turn them on once or twice a year when they have the series I've been waiting for. Boom cancelled and ThunderForce proves it was a wise decision. These companies also want complete control over "their property" and are actively pushing out physical media for this reason. Why would they want me to own the Snyder Cut of Justice League for $30 and be able to watch it as many times as I want, with whoever I want for a one time fee, when they can only release it on their streaming service and I have to pay for the movie a 100 times over to watch as many times as I want. IMO We haven't gone backwards for the sake of convenience as much as it's is these music and movie studios seeking higher profits with subscription models and "copyright" control over our media and it's method in which we consume it.
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Post by JKCashin on Apr 22, 2021 15:57:47 GMT -5
... I also have a proper 4K Blu Ray player and have been collecting Blu-Rays now. Sigh. I feel so old.It’s ok, you can probably write in longhand too! 🙂 Yup.... though I do a weird hybrid of longhand and whatever not longhand is called |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 22, 2021 21:27:55 GMT -5
It’s ok, you can probably write in longhand too! 🙂 Yup.... though I do a weird hybrid of longhand and whatever not longhand is called Well it’s not ‘shorthand’,that’s what my mom took notes with as a secretary, I just call it printing and it’s what I use most. My longhand / cursive used to be pretty good, but I thought my older brother’s printing looked cool so I copied him and my handwriting took a dive. |
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Post by adan on Apr 27, 2021 19:05:48 GMT -5
Ever since I bought a cheap DAC on Amazon, CDs and Vinyls have become obsolete to me. Now I'm downloading FLAC and DSD files, for the first time with my new Emotiva speakers and sub, I'm finally hearing a huge difference. Plus, I can't believe some of my records go for so much on Ebay. I'm tempted to sell off some of them.
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