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Post by oneguy on Jul 19, 2021 10:16:39 GMT -5
![]()  DYohnsince you felt it necessary crap all over a for sale thread with an off topic post I decided to move this discussion to PROPER venue. I was in no way admitting that a larger cable had no positive effects. I was merely trying to be cordial without telling you to STFU because you are off topic. To pull the thread on your line of thinking a little further let me ask you something. What’s better, an 18 awg power cord or a 12 awg power cord? I highly doubt you’d say a 18 awg is better. If you would then there is no point in discussing further. A reasonable person would surmise that 12 is better because of lower voltage drop. Neither will likely melt the insulator at the current most people pull. So why can’t 8 awg theoretically be better than 12 awg? Sure there are diminishing returns at play but better, even if only by a fractional amount, is still better. I’ve built 12, 10, 8 and 7 awg wire and had Emotiva power cords at 12 awg, Ice Age Audio at 10 awg and Anti Cables Level 3 power cables at 8 awg. The best commercial product was the Anti Cables. Maybe not because of the size but it sounded the best. The best DIY was the 8 awg solid core which sounded better than the Anti Cables followed by the DIY 8 awg stranded then the 7 and last the 12. Larger doesn’t necessarily mean it will sound better but to be dismissive of a cable simply because it is a larger gauge is very close minded. My only goal is performance. I don’t care how I get it. Period. DavidRYeah I’m not a noob. Your comment wasn’t appreciated either. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 19, 2021 10:58:19 GMT -5
I don’t know why people think it’s ok to give opinions in Emporium / For Sale threads. In my opinion, either be positive, as in “I’ve done business with this seller before, good guy!”, or “I have one of these preamps, it sounds great” — or as you say STFU. The only exceptions might be; If you know the equipment for sale is stolen or there is undisclosed damage, or if the seller has perpetrated scams or been dishonest in the past. In those cases I believe it’s ok to state the facts as you know them. In general, people need to look where they are before they comment.
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Post by oneguy on Jul 19, 2021 11:19:14 GMT -5
^Concur. Another pet peeve of mine is when people start trying to negotiate the price in the for sale thread vice in PMs even when specifically told “if you have any questions, PM me” in the first post of the thread.
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 19, 2021 12:13:42 GMT -5
“DIY cables and close minded views”
I LOVE ❤️ this thread title! (what does it mean anyway??)
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Post by DYohn on Jul 19, 2021 13:02:43 GMT -5
Ha. Like my question affected your sale in any way since it was finished? Whatever dude. Enjoy the music.
As to wire AWG, it's whatever is required by the load. I suggest you study the NEC or ANSI specifications for wire size, material and insulation and then you can answer your own question.
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 19, 2021 13:22:18 GMT -5
“My only goal is performance. I don’t care how I get it. Period.” Didn’t you mean: My only goal is performance but I don’t understand. Period  |
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Post by Soup on Jul 20, 2021 5:11:33 GMT -5
I agree. Nobody needs any nonsense in this day and age! If you are NOT interested in what is for sale, just stay away. It is that simple.
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 20, 2021 8:28:44 GMT -5
I agree. Nobody needs any nonsense in this day and age! If you are NOT interested in what is for sale, just stay away. It is that simple. Not so… I just went over the “Emporium rules” which are essentially a disclaimer . Ebay is the place to go |
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Post by DavidR on Jul 20, 2021 8:55:57 GMT -5
audio myths die hard
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Post by DYohn on Jul 20, 2021 10:06:35 GMT -5
I agree. Nobody needs any nonsense in this day and age! If you are NOT interested in what is for sale, just stay away. It is that simple. I'll say it one more time. His sale was over when I posted a question of why he had decided to use gigantic overkill wire for a 15-amp cord. I did not impact his sale. I was just interested in his logic for using 200C 50-amp wire. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2021 10:42:31 GMT -5
I agree. Nobody needs any nonsense in this day and age! If you are NOT interested in what is for sale, just stay away. It is that simple. Not so… I just went over the “Emporium rules” which are essentially a disclaimer . Ebay is the place to go It’s called forum etiquette, and more generally Internet etiquette, and beyond that civility or civilization. |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 20, 2021 11:28:20 GMT -5
Not so… I just went over the “Emporium rules” which are essentially a disclaimer . Ebay is the place to go It’s called forum etiquette, and more generally Internet etiquette, and beyond that civility or civilization. “Forum etiquette” is not licensing to make false claims. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2021 13:24:27 GMT -5
It’s called forum etiquette, and more generally Internet etiquette, and beyond that civility or civilization. “Forum etiquette” is not licensing to make false claims. Ok, getting back to specifics, what in the OP of the thread in question is a “false claim”, and what is your expertise in claiming empirically that it is? If it’s just an opinion, do you think that you should post it in someone’s Emporium / For Sale thread? The thread in question: emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1074505/thread |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 20, 2021 13:38:37 GMT -5
“Forum etiquette” is not licensing to make false claims. “ what in the OP of the thread in question is a “false claim” I shall ponder your inquiry and get back to you shortly……..  |
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Post by DavidR on Jul 20, 2021 14:08:49 GMT -5
Some here on the boards are E.E.s and M.E.s
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Post by LuisV on Jul 20, 2021 14:33:27 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2021 14:48:48 GMT -5
Some here on the boards are E.E.s and M.E.s Again, what in the OP of the thread in question is a “False Claim” that an E.E. or M.E. would have data to dispute? Does that belong in a For Sale thread? |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 20, 2021 15:01:17 GMT -5
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 20, 2021 16:26:23 GMT -5
Since this thread is already wet and wild, allow me to toss a hand grenade into the punchbowl...
I've a friend who has a VERY powerful amplifier (250WPC @ 8 Ohms, if I remember right). I've heard this amp off and on for over a year at his place and thought it one of the best sounding amps I'd heard (in addition to being able to power ANY speaker to louder than I want to listen). So long story short, I bought one. And (of course) mine doesn't sound as good as his. So I started asking questions.
His has been slightly modified. The original ¼" phone jacks have been replaced with RCA jacks, and the original captive power cord has been replaced with a standard IEC power input jack. I could understand the audio jack replacement, but asked about the IEC power one. He said he wanted to try out fancy power cords to see if they improved the sound.
His conclusion (after trying over 20 different power cables): A no-name 18 AWG power cord (originally built for computer equipment) sounded best!
WTF? This goes against the expressed philosophy of every fancy power cable maker on the planet. Have I confirmed the experiment with my amp? Nope - I haven't taken time yet. But you can bet that I'll at least try it. It may be possible that at the amplifier's "normal" current draw ( with one watt or less of audio output ) that an 18AWG power cord is not only sufficient, but even more than sufficient. If audio amigo was trying to squeeze every one of those 250WPC out of his amp, I'd suspect that the limitations of the 18AWG power cord would become audibly manifest, and very quickly.
So what did audio amigo have against the larger power cables? He said that they dulled the treble of his amplifier. Never having heard his amp with more robust power cords, I can't verify or dispute this claim. But I can say that either because of OR in spite of his 18AWG power cord, his amplifier sounds amazing!
Now since everybody has closets full of 18AWG computer power cords, this should be a very easy experiment to reproduce. Anyone willing to try it?
Boomzilla
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 20, 2021 16:57:49 GMT -5
“Since this thread is already wet and wild, allow me to toss a hand grenade into the punchbowl...” Now, THAT is something to ponder 🤔…. You can have the rest of it ( bored to tears) |
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