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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 6:28:10 GMT -5
Hello
My umc-1 just died "loading...." reboot.
So im looking at a replacement.
My current system is
Umc-1
Upa-2
Rotel rb-956ax
Emotiva speakers 8.3 6.3 and matching surrounds
The rotel is close to a replacement too
Im looking at emotiva mc1 and marantz sr5015.
The marantz can replace both my umc-1 and rotel for a lower price.
Will there be a big difference and audio video processing between sr5015 and mc1?
And what about sr5015 versus umc-1?
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 5, 2022 7:54:36 GMT -5
Hello My umc-1 just died "loading...." reboot. So im looking at a replacement. My current system is Umc-1 Upa-2 Rotel rb-956ax Emotiva speakers 8.3 6.3 and matching surrounds The rotel is close to a replacement too Im looking at emotiva mc1 and marantz sr5015. The marantz can replace both my umc-1 and rotel for a lower price. Will there be a big difference and audio video processing between sr5015 and mc1? And what about sr5015 versus umc-1? If you’re happy with what your current setup has always given you, then the MC1 will be the best choice. It will be the most similar to your UMC-1 and is sourced from the same OEM. Of course you’ll step up to HDMI 2.0b compatibility and switching (with eARC), but there is no video “processing” like you had with your UMC-1. If video processing is important, then the Marantz might be a better option. But if you’re looking for a similar sonic signature to your UMC-1, the Marantz won’t give you that. Their proprietary HDAM output buffers combined with their choice of digital filters give the Marantz products a more “rolled off” or “laid back” characteristic. If you want the same features as the Marantz, but want a more neutral sonic signature, then choose the Denon twin. The Denon will also be a little cheaper for the same (or better) performance. Marantz will always be priced a little higher simply because of the name. As for an amp replacement for your aging Rotel, maybe consider the BasX A3 if you’re sticking with 5.1 or an A7 if you want to move into Atmos. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 8:02:57 GMT -5
No video processing?
It just pass through the video signal?
If i use the preout on the marantz, do you still think there will be a big difference in sound?
I never understood what i would use earc for?
Here in denmark denon is only sold by hifiklubben who buffed the price to an extremely high level, costs way more than marantz
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 5, 2022 8:31:20 GMT -5
No video processing? It just pass through the video signal? If i use the preout on the marantz, do you still think there will be a big difference in sound? I never understood what i would use earc for? Here in denmark denon is only sold by hifiklubben who buffed the price to an extremely high level, costs way more than marantz Nope… no video “processing” at all on any of Emotiva’s newer processors. The video is straight passthrough that is untouched by anything other than an overlay for OSD. D&M are the few remaining brands to offer video “processing” and, of that, has become very limited in functionality. As for the sound of the Marantz, that’s all a personal preference and a matter of what sounds “good” to you. As a Marantz owner myself (I own an AV8805), I can only tell you that there is a difference in the sonic signature between my 8805 and my RMC-1L. But functionally, from a “user experience” perspective, the RMC currently can’t hold a candle to it. That’s also something worthy of your consideration. By comparison, the RMC-1L is slightly more detailed, but is also more “extended”. The Marantz is warmer and noticeably more reserved at the top end. However, none of that “bothers” me. For music, sometimes I prefer the Marantz, other times I prefer the RMC-1L. For HT, I find very little difference. But that’s my opinion using “my” ears and in “my” room. I would expect the same or similar differences when comparing an MC1 to a Marantz. Your speakers and room acoustics will also play a large part. If your speakers are bright (btw… I’ve owned your speakers and consider them to be very neutral) and you have a “lively” room, the Marantz might be a perfect choice. If your speakers are already “reserved” and your room is “dead”, then the Marantz will make things worse or sound “lifeless”. I hope that helps, but in the end, you’ll have to decide what will work best for you… |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 9:45:40 GMT -5
Is the missing video processing not a big deal or am i missing something? How about audio settings, is that the same between marantz and emotiva? Or do I have more options on the emotiva? The user experience and candle thing, i dont know what you mean with that  |
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Post by creimes on Feb 5, 2022 10:34:53 GMT -5
I briefly owned a Marantz AV7702 processor and found it lacking compared to my then also owned Sherbourn PT-7020C4, like how Doc explained above it was too laid back and veiled sounding which made it sound thin and lifeless compared to what I was used to(Emotiva/Sherbourn/Anthem) so I would say stay away from the Marantz, but if you have somehwere you can go check it out and have a listen you could hear it for yourself.
Cheers,
Chad
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 10:51:09 GMT -5
I briefly owned a Marantz AV7702 processor and found it lacking compared to my then also owned Sherbourn PT-7020C4, like how Doc explained above it was too laid back and veiled sounding which made it sound thin and lifeless compared to what I was used to(Emotiva/Sherbourn/Anthem) so I would say stay away from the Marantz, but if you have somehwere you can go check it out and have a listen you could hear it for yourself. Cheers, Chad Its not so easy for me to listen to different things. |
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Post by creimes on Feb 5, 2022 11:04:22 GMT -5
I briefly owned a Marantz AV7702 processor and found it lacking compared to my then also owned Sherbourn PT-7020C4, like how Doc explained above it was too laid back and veiled sounding which made it sound thin and lifeless compared to what I was used to(Emotiva/Sherbourn/Anthem) so I would say stay away from the Marantz, but if you have somehwere you can go check it out and have a listen you could hear it for yourself. Cheers, Chad Its not so easy for me to listen to different things. Yeah me neither, I'm in a city of about 50,000 but other than the Best Buy there isn't much and they don't care anything worthy anyways haha Do you have any used audio sites in Denmark, maybe find used Emotiva, Rotel or Anthem stuff ? |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 5, 2022 11:06:16 GMT -5
Is the missing video processing not a big deal or am i missing something? How about audio settings, is that the same between marantz and emotiva? Or do I have more options on the emotiva? The user experience and candle thing, i dont know what you mean with that If your source video components are strictly HDMI, then there’s no need for anything other than passthrough. All “processing” should be handled by your display. Back in the days where we had a combination of mixed video sources which outputs might be HDMI, component RGB or composite, then limited processing (or conversion) was necessary. Denon and/or Marantz are among the remaining few who have those “legacy” video inputs and will processes and output them via HDMI. By “user experience can’t hold a candle to the Marantz”, I’m simply referring to the “it just works” relationship. As you might have experienced with your UMC-1 (depending upon when you purchased it), it wasn’t exactly a joyride. Some user work-arounds might have been required. If so, not much has changed with these processors and the “user experience” isn’t exactly the same as with a brand with huge R&D resources. Settings may be similar, but are unique to every brand. I’d suggest that you download the user manual for the products you’re considering and read through them. Those would provide you with all of the information you’re seeking. |
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Post by vcautokid on Feb 5, 2022 11:26:00 GMT -5
Doc is correct. HDMI makes it simple. Just pass through that video and be done. Frankly HDMI is already complicated enough already. Also this is not the dark ages of S video and component video where a big deal on processing with Faroudja and all that Jazz. With 4K and heck even 8K schemes today processing is handled by the sources or TV anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 12:25:21 GMT -5
Its not so easy for me to listen to different things. Yeah me neither, I'm in a city of about 50,000 but other than the Best Buy there isn't much and they don't care anything worthy anyways haha Do you have any used audio sites in Denmark, maybe find used Emotiva, Rotel or Anthem stuff ? I think we are like 50 people Max that have emotiva gear ha ha. I have been looking at used gear, but people want crazy prices for their sh**  Rotel is more known here, i have been looking here and in Europe on ebay. Didnt find that much unfortunenatly |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 12:27:46 GMT -5
Is the missing video processing not a big deal or am i missing something? How about audio settings, is that the same between marantz and emotiva? Or do I have more options on the emotiva? The user experience and candle thing, i dont know what you mean with that If your source video components are strictly HDMI, then there’s no need for anything other than passthrough. All “processing” should be handled by your display. Back in the days where we had a combination of mixed video sources which outputs might be HDMI, component RGB or composite, then limited processing (or conversion) was necessary. Denon and/or Marantz are among the remaining few who have those “legacy” video inputs and will processes and output them via HDMI. By “user experience can’t hold a candle to the Marantz”, I’m simply referring to the “it just works” relationship. As you might have experienced with your UMC-1 (depending upon when you purchased it), it wasn’t exactly a joyride. Some user work-arounds might have been required. If so, not much has changed with these processors and the “user experience” isn’t exactly the same as with a brand with huge R&D resources. Settings may be similar, but are unique to every brand. I’d suggest that you download the user manual for the products you’re considering and read through them. Those would provide you with all of the information you’re seeking. Yeah i had some minor glitches. The user manual idea is brillant, why didnt i think of this |
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Post by creimes on Feb 5, 2022 15:13:05 GMT -5
Yeah me neither, I'm in a city of about 50,000 but other than the Best Buy there isn't much and they don't care anything worthy anyways haha Do you have any used audio sites in Denmark, maybe find used Emotiva, Rotel or Anthem stuff ? I think we are like 50 people Max that have emotiva gear ha ha. I have been looking at used gear, but people want crazy prices for their sh** Rotel is more known here, i have been looking here and in Europe on ebay. Didnt find that much unfortunenatly My Sherbourn PT-7030 shows up as Rotel when connected to my Mac Mini by HDMI and it sounds wonderful  |
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Feb 6, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -5
I’ve never heard an Emo processor, but have had two Marantz processors. The good… easy to set up, very good user interface, great connectivity. The bad… two channel sounds dry, lifeless. For two channel I added a stereo preamp to overcome this. Strangely, it sounds great for HT though.
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