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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 1, 2023 17:08:02 GMT -5
Maybe amp power wise as the Mcintosh comes with Dirac; however, MSRP looks to be $8,000... $6k more than the MR1. Well, let's see... 7 channels vs. 11 channels of internal power - Emo Wins 11.2 channel decoding vs. 13.2 channels - Emo wins Class D amplifier design vs. Class AB with Class H power supply - Emo Wins and delivers high current into low impedance loads!! Dirac vs. EmoQ - Mc wins... I'll give it that. 8k HDMI vs. 4K HDMI is a wash... Mc doesn't support low latency or VRR. Emo has 2 outputs. 3 year Warranty is transferrable on Emo, not on Mc. Oh yeah, the Mc costs $8,000.00 vs. $1,999.00 for the Emo. Do I have to even point out the irony of that?? |
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Post by cinegreg on Feb 1, 2023 17:09:56 GMT -5
Seriously considering pulling the trigger on this, especially after a friend at Dolby raved to me about it. Regarding automation/control, does it use the same IR codes as the MC-1? Or if not, the same codes as another Emotiva model? Any word on this? Does it support the same IR codes as the MC-1? |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 1, 2023 17:12:51 GMT -5
Seriously considering pulling the trigger on this, especially after a friend at Dolby raved to me about it. Regarding automation/control, does it use the same IR codes as the MC-1? Or if not, the same codes as another Emotiva model? Any word on this? Does it support the same IR codes as the MC-1? Yes, the IR code base is the same! |
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Post by inchrist on Feb 1, 2023 17:49:19 GMT -5
Please go to your Apple TV video settings... Turn OFF "Match Contents". This should resolve the issue. Please contact us if you continue to have this problem. Cheers, Dan, I really mean no disrespect, but that is an absurd fix. Why should I have to sacrifice framerate and dynamic range auto adjustments? I have no interest in watching everything at 60hz and in Dolby Vision just because the MR-1 freaks out if I don't. Is there a chance for a more suitable fix via firmware? And just to clarify why I think that is absurd is because I did not need to do that with my Anthem AVM 70, JBL SDP-55, Marantz Cinema 40, or Rotel RAP-1580 MKII. They just worked. Hi, I offered the suggestion to Dan, to turn Off Match content. I personally don't like the "blackout" (color space & frame rate adjustment) between app navigation and playback of content. so I prefer in my own home and mostly test with match content Off. Yes, DV 60hz all the time. (also I don't have to setup TV video calibration for every type of color space) I have set up a test situation here with Apple TV 4K 2022, X-Box X, PS5, Panasonic BD and Sony TV 950. I have turned off match content. made sure the "TV" HDMI "signal format" set to Enhanced format. and watching Netflix and bounced in and out of DV and HDR content and have not experienced a loss of video yet. What app are you running? And what is your HDMI cable to the TV? how long, make, model, fiber or balun, or copper? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 20:31:58 GMT -5
Dan, I really mean no disrespect, but that is an absurd fix. Why should I have to sacrifice framerate and dynamic range auto adjustments? I have no interest in watching everything at 60hz and in Dolby Vision just because the MR-1 freaks out if I don't. Is there a chance for a more suitable fix via firmware? And just to clarify why I think that is absurd is because I did not need to do that with my Anthem AVM 70, JBL SDP-55, Marantz Cinema 40, or Rotel RAP-1580 MKII. They just worked. Hi, I offered the suggestion to Dan, to turn Off Match content. I personally don't like the "blackout" (color space & frame rate adjustment) between app navigation and playback of content. so I prefer in my own home and mostly test with match content Off. Yes, DV 60hz all the time. (also I don't have to setup TV video calibration for every type of color space) I have set up a test situation here with Apple TV 4K 2022, X-Box X, PS5, Panasonic BD and Sony TV 950. I have turned off match content. made sure the "TV" HDMI "signal format" set to Enhanced format. and watching Netflix and bounced in and out of DV and HDR content and have not experienced a loss of video yet. What app are you running? And what is your HDMI cable to the TV? how long, make, model, fiber or balun, or copper? I have experienced the issue primarily in Infuse when outputting DV profile 8.06. I am using an Audioquest Carbon 48 HDMI cable (2M). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 21:08:00 GMT -5
Maybe amp power wise as the Mcintosh comes with Dirac; however, MSRP looks to be $8,000... $6k more than the MR1. Well, let's see... 7 channels vs. 11 channels of internal power - Emo Wins 11.2 channel decoding vs. 13.2 channels - Emo wins Class D amplifier design vs. Class AB with Class H power supply - Emo Wins and delivers high current into low impedance loads!! Dirac vs. EmoQ - Mc wins... I'll give it that. 8k HDMI vs. 4K HDMI is a wash... Mc doesn't support low latency or VRR. Emo has 2 outputs. 3 year Warranty is transferrable on Emo, not on Mc. Oh yeah, the Mc costs $8,000.00 vs. $1,999.00 for the Emo. Do I have to even point out the irony of that?? Having owned a McIntosh MAC7200 paired with some B&W 802D3 all I can say is that McIntosh is very overrated in my opinion. They look great (assuming you like the retro styling) and are built like a tank, but the sound is pretty average. I kept it for about three months and bailed on it. You would have to pay me to buy their AVR. If you have that kind of money to burn consider the JBL SDR-38. Frankly, having been down the path of high end home theater gear I am pleasantly impressed with the MR-1. It really is a killer deal. |
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Post by MusicHead on Feb 1, 2023 22:59:47 GMT -5
It would be really cool if at some point a MR1-L would show up. Same specs, but 7 internal amps and perhaps 11.2 decoding, just to leave the door open to expansion, and a slimmer chassis.
Still loving my Fusion 8100 (in all its HDMI 1.4 glory! Sorry... could not resist 😉) and I dread the day it will reach the end of the line.
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Post by vcautokid on Feb 2, 2023 0:33:12 GMT -5
More and more of my friends wonder why I bag on the current crop, whew, caught myself there, of receivers. The MR-1 is so compelling. Many don't want the gazillion dollar Preamplifier Processor. Like my coworkers. They don't even know what one is. Just showing the 1000VA Toroidal Transformer, and the chinzy EI core Transformer from the "D" company, my coworkers get it. I tell them shut up about the toys, and you start with the power supply, and everything else follows. Being in IT, we get worried about the Alexa thing, and when is she's listening. The MR-1 doesn't have that built in, and streamers are on you, and not required if you don't want too. My team is about 300 strong, and know me in that it is always substance over the toys. Are you done with the toys? Check out the MR-1. I have my communications specialist checking out the "D" company, and the MR-1, and I think a MR-1 or its convention at least. I asked him do you remember that Wendy's commercial, where's the beef? He saw Dan's video, and my explanation. His custom Home Theater will have Emotiva in it. Bye bye "D" company.
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Post by inchrist on Feb 2, 2023 9:24:04 GMT -5
Hi, I offered the suggestion to Dan, to turn Off Match content. I personally don't like the "blackout" (color space & frame rate adjustment) between app navigation and playback of content. so I prefer in my own home and mostly test with match content Off. Yes, DV 60hz all the time. (also I don't have to setup TV video calibration for every type of color space) I have set up a test situation here with Apple TV 4K 2022, X-Box X, PS5, Panasonic BD and Sony TV 950. I have turned off match content. made sure the "TV" HDMI "signal format" set to Enhanced format. and watching Netflix and bounced in and out of DV and HDR content and have not experienced a loss of video yet. What app are you running? And what is your HDMI cable to the TV? how long, make, model, fiber or balun, or copper? I have experienced the issue primarily in Infuse when outputting DV profile 8.06. I am using an Audioquest Carbon 48 HDMI cable (2M). Thank you! I will have to look up "Infuse". I want to replicate the issue. also, would you be willing to try one of our HDMI cables? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 9:35:16 GMT -5
I have experienced the issue primarily in Infuse when outputting DV profile 8.06. I am using an Audioquest Carbon 48 HDMI cable (2M). Thank you! I will have to look up "Infuse". I want to replicate the issue. also, would you be willing to try one of our HDMI cables? I use Infuse as the front end player for my Plex server. As for trying an Emotiva HDMI cable I am hard pressed to believe that is the problem, but sure I can give it a try. I would be pretty shocked if that were the problem as I have used my current cable to pass 4K/120 VRR without issue. On a side note, I have not experienced this issue with any streaming 4K DV content. |
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Post by cwt on Feb 2, 2023 9:53:59 GMT -5
Hi, I offered the suggestion to Dan, to turn Off Match content. I personally don't like the "blackout" (color space & frame rate adjustment) between app navigation and playback of content. so I prefer in my own home and mostly test with match content Off. Yes, DV 60hz all the time. (also I don't have to setup TV video calibration for every type of color space) Thats the divide between those who like lickety split switching of framerates and those who would rather forego that knowing their expensive display will do a much better job deinterlacing and scaling than some cheapo apple tv ic built to a price [low]  As for comparisons with say a Lumagens efforts I would certainly want to feed it a pure direct video signal straight from the mpeg chip set [those arent cheap  ] Dont get me started on a apple 4ktv or earlier destroying a rec709 sdr signal with dolby vision ; eg theres many LG sets that do a very good upscale of sd to a hdr colour space . Ime sure though this will be fixed soon enough as this model has had a relatively uneventful debut for a new model pretty rare when you look at some others.Cant believe you have to add a 4ch amp these days to a Mcintosh just to get 7.1.4 - apparently theyve plonked a last gen falcon chipset in it ' they could have saved even more I spose vvv  www.analog.com/en/education/education-library/videos/5289338616001.html |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 16:22:48 GMT -5
Any chance we could see bi-amping capability with the MR-1? That would be a pretty awesome feature. It would allow for more use of the spare channels and help satisfy my speakers hunger for power  |
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Post by leonski on Feb 2, 2023 21:03:27 GMT -5
New Denon is $8700 CAD plus I would have to pay 13% in tax bahahaha, who are they making these things for, that's almost $10,000 which is nothing I could afford and nobody I know would spend $10,000 on a Denon receiver haha wow 10 Large for ANY receiver seems quite the ask. Here in California the sales tax is a minimum of about 7.25%, but varys by county / area.....And always UP..... Around here? A new car will cost about 11% or so above agreed price, due to tax and that DMV stuff. |
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Post by leonski on Feb 2, 2023 21:06:26 GMT -5
More and more of my friends wonder why I bag on the current crop, whew, caught myself there, of receivers. The MR-1 is so compelling. Many don't want the gazillion dollar Preamplifier Processor. Like my coworkers. They don't even know what one is. Just showing the 1000VA Toroidal Transformer, and the chinzy EI core Transformer from the "D" company, my coworkers get it. I tell them shut up about the toys, and you start with the power supply, and everything else follows. Being in IT, we get worried about the Alexa thing, and when is she's listening. The MR-1 doesn't have that built in, and streamers are on you, and not required if you don't want too. My team is about 300 strong, and know me in that it is always substance over the toys. Are you done with the toys? Check out the MR-1. I have my communications specialist checking out the "D" company, and the MR-1, and I think a MR-1 or its convention at least. I asked him do you remember that Wendy's commercial, where's the beef? He saw Dan's video, and my explanation. His custom Home Theater will have Emotiva in it. Bye bye "D" company. What you HEAR from the speakers is essentially a modulated power supply, anyway.....right? |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 3, 2023 8:56:59 GMT -5
I spoke too soon on the lack of HDMI issues. I have now had a couple times when the AppleTV goes to output DV and my screen just goes blank, but audio plays. I end up having to restart the TV and the MR-1. Still trying to figure out if something specific is causing it as it isn't repeatable with the same title. I wonder if others who bought the MC-1 have this issue as well, since the MR-1 is just an MC-1 with amps. The only risk in Dan's "moment" to figure out a fix is they are quite slow and you could end up outside the return/trial window. I would wager they'd be willing to extend the window for you as Dan and co are very accommodating to their customers. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 3, 2023 9:27:51 GMT -5
I spoke too soon on the lack of HDMI issues. I have now had a couple times when the AppleTV goes to output DV and my screen just goes blank, but audio plays. I end up having to restart the TV and the MR-1. Still trying to figure out if something specific is causing it as it isn't repeatable with the same title. I wonder if others who bought the MC-1 have this issue as well, since the MR-1 is just an MC-1 with amps. The only risk in Dan's "moment" to figure out a fix is they are quite slow and you could end up outside the return/trial window. I would wager they'd be willing to extend the window for you as Dan and co are very accommodating to their customers. I don't want to put words in balthazar2k4's mouth and I'm sure he will respond, but if you read further, it appears to be a DV issue when using "InFuse". Inchrist from Emotiva is looking into it and testing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 9:53:18 GMT -5
I wonder if others who bought the MC-1 have this issue as well, since the MR-1 is just an MC-1 with amps. The only risk in Dan's "moment" to figure out a fix is they are quite slow and you could end up outside the return/trial window. I would wager they'd be willing to extend the window for you as Dan and co are very accommodating to their customers. I don't want to put words in balthazar2k4's mouth and I'm sure he will respond, but if you read further, it appears to be a DV issue when using "InFuse". Inchrist from Emotiva is looking into it and testing. Yes, the issue has only occurred in Infuse using DV profile 8.06. The only reason I suspect the MR-1 being the culprit is that I did not experience this before it was added to the chain. Most streaming DV content is profile 5. Given the infrequency and uniqueness of the situation I would not hesitate to recommend the MR-1. |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 3, 2023 11:55:26 GMT -5
I don't want to put words in balthazar2k4's mouth and I'm sure he will respond, but if you read further, it appears to be a DV issue when using "InFuse". Inchrist from Emotiva is looking into it and testing. I saw that and am just wondering if other MC-1 owners have noticed it; if not, could be just his MC-1. Am I missing something and only Balthazar uses Infuse/DV? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 12:01:54 GMT -5
I don't want to put words in balthazar2k4's mouth and I'm sure he will respond, but if you read further, it appears to be a DV issue when using "InFuse". Inchrist from Emotiva is looking into it and testing. I saw that and am just wondering if other MC-1 owners have noticed it; if not, could be just his MC-1. Am I missing something and only Balthazar uses Infuse/DV? Well, I am probably in a pretty small group of people converting 4K BD to Profile 8 MKV for DV compatibility with their AppleTV |
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Post by berniebot on Feb 3, 2023 13:08:47 GMT -5
Question about the power rating on the three front channels. Page 18 of the manual states:
"...The amplifiers powering the front three channels feature a
special high-current output stage for exceptional sound stage coherence and clarity."
Are the 3 front channels rated at a higher watt per channel than the surrounds? 165 watts for each front 3 and 100 watts for each of the 8 surrounds?
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As for comparisons with say a Lumagens efforts I would certainly want to feed it a pure direct video signal straight from the mpeg chip set [those arent cheap 
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